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School shooting this morning . . .

Again, as I said before, could you please show a little respect to the deceased? Now is not the time to make this a political issue.

Have you forgotten the name of the forum or are you just making a political statement?
 
that was evasive and dishonest we heard that there was no chance of guns being banned in

California
New Jersey
New York
Connecticut
Hawaii
Maryland
Illinois
DC

and yet all of those places have banned significant numbers of guns for stupid and silly reasons

and I heard the same crap in England prior to Dunblane. and one nut case caused a collective garment voiding tsunami to the point that british olympic shooters cannot even practice in England.

No, they really haven't. They have minor restrictions, but guns are still quite prevalent.

And we're not England.
 
Sure...you can blame it on the guns (as long as you ignore the stabbings and beatings part). Or...you can address...you know...the problems...

Nah...that would mean you might have to actually get in and deal with those that are committing the vast majority of violent acts. Better you just continue to spew mindless rhetoric.

And whom pray-tell are the ones committing the vast majority of the violent acts...hmmmmmmm?
 
And whom pray-tell are the ones committing the vast majority of the violent acts...hmmmmmmm?

I will say this, the gun is but a tool. An efficient tool. But just a tool. Our problems really are larger. It's not the tool, but the mindset.
 
By anyone who matters, very few. We can all find the outliners, but do you really want to be judge by those on your side at the extreme? There is virtually no chance of guns being banned in America. No chance at all.

Thanks to the NRA and other gun rights organizations for preserving our heritage.
 
I have no trouble punishing careless parents. This should be part if the discussion. I'm just not sure why some don't make these arguments.

They dont want to. They feel the parents are suffering enough. But it has not sunk into some parents and minors are still getting their hands on guns and doing negligent and criminal acts.
 
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Thanks to the NRA and other gun rights organizations for preserving our heritage.

:lamo:lamo:lamo

No, thanks to American mythology.
 
They dont want to. They feel the parents are suffering enough. But it has not sunk into some parents and minors are still getting their hands on guns and doing negligent and criminal acts.

"They" who? Certainly we can talk about this here.
 
Re: 2 dead, 2 boys hurt in Nevada school shooting

Holy carp! That's a bit excessive.
The Reno P.D. are nothing more than glorified tax-collectors. The longer I live here the less I think Reno 911 as a parody. And as tragic as this incident was, they most likely used it as an opportunity to stand around and do nothing, knowing full well that the situation was resolved before a single officer arrived.
 
No, they really haven't. They have minor restrictions, but guns are still quite prevalent.

And we're not England.
that is BS

when you cannot have more than a 7 round magazine that is hardly minor

if you cannot own a semi auto rifle with a detachable magazine that is hardly minor

and you dishonestly pretend that what happened in England is not relevant here because it kills your argument

gun haters in england claimed that registration would not lead to confiscation
 
Because while on the books is hardly ever enforced.

No, because people are desperate and desperate people do desperate things and take their chances. Also, they never think THEY will get caught.
 
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that is BS

when you cannot have more than a 7 round magazine that is hardly minor

if you cannot own a semi auto rifle with a detachable magazine that is hardly minor

and you dishonestly pretend that what happened in England is not relevant here because it kills your argument

gun haters in england claimed that registration would not lead to confiscation

No, those are all pretty minor.

And no, we're not England. That's just a fact. We're not Australia either, but as I understand it, restrictions have worked there. Like I said, though, we're not either of those countries.
 
No, because people are desperate and desperate people do desperate things and take their changes. Also, they never think THEY will get caught.

I agree, and as long as people like that are willing to kill or rob others, the rest of us need to be able to defend ourselves from them. Anti gunners want to make sure people like that will face disarmed victims.
 
Oh, I don't buy that. Parents start getting locked up for leaving loaded guns around for their 15/16-year-olds to shoot up schools? I think we'll see a definite run on gun safes.

I could be mistaken but I thought, based on research that has been done, punishment or the threat of punishment for committing a crime does not deter crime. I will have to look it up.
 
"They" who? Certainly we can talk about this here.

Who? Law enforcement, prosecutors, judges. That is who. There are laws in almost every state on reasonable means to lock up guns and keep them from becoming tools of violence or used in a wrongful careless manner. Yet find me a parent of a kid that found daddys heater that is in jail right now for the charge of allowing junior to get to his gun.
 
but restricting the rights of honest people will stop those who have already lost that right from abusing a right they don't have?

Looking at the situation strictly in terms of what would be effective, I question that tactic based on research (and I could be wrong here) stating that is does not function as a deterrent.
 
No, those are all pretty minor.

And no, we're not England. That's just a fact. We're not Australia either, but as I understand it, restrictions have worked there. Like I said, though, we're not either of those countries.
Pretty minor? Really? Short of some smaller framed semi autos and older weapons like 1911s, most modern semi auto hand guns come with a minimum capacity of 10 rounds.
 
What did I "start". By calling for the partisanship to begin. Am I wrong, just read the thread. The libs jumped on that bait instantly.

Sorry brother, it was you. You threw the first punch.
 
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Truth how so. You ever heard of Gov Cuomo, vp Biden, President Obama, Sen Feinstien? They are ready and willing to take whatever guns they can from us. NOW.

No, they don't matter. It's just talk. None would dare actually do anything significant. Just won't happen.
 
No, those are all pretty minor.

And no, we're not England. That's just a fact. We're not Australia either, but as I understand it, restrictions have worked there. Like I said, though, we're not either of those countries.


they are minor to an anti gun advocate. Its like me saying as long as we have Lutheran churches, banning catholic, Methodist, Baptist and Episcopal Churches, are minor infringements on religion. I don't go to church so such restrictions are minor to me

I also don't play golf so limiting people to one wood and one iron is minor as well

given those restrictions do nothing positive, they are major infringements on freedom

and given your comments I hope you chastise the anti gun fellow travelers of yours who constantly bray we need England gun laws here
 
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