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School shooting this morning . . .

The vast vast majority of American gun owners are responsible people who are no threat to anyone. There are some extremists who attempt to politicize the issue fortheir own radical agenda - and some of that involves guns - but they are the exception.

We're not talking about hunters who are only a danger to themselves and their buddies when their guns go off accidentally. We're talking about the gun owners who carry their guns around in their pockets or in their car glove compartment. Or also those who hide their guns under their beds or under their pillow or in their noses. They endanger the lives of their loved ones and themselves by causing a burglar to resort to shooting instead of just robbery. Statistically, they would be much more likely to live to an old age if they didn't have the guns.

What do gungoons always resort to the defence of mentioning hunters? We all know well trained and sane hunters aren't the problem.
 
You've posted in several topics and all you do is rant on tea partiers. Is someone paying you to post such things? I hope so, because the alternative explanations for your behavior is even worse than being paid to troll people.

Oh I don't know I think Mchiael66 makes some good points .

By the way aren't moderates supposed to look at both sides of the issue?

It's not like the great NRA doesn't have any speakers for them.:peace
 
Actually the NRA is the one that called for armed guards, police or even guardsmen if needed after Newtown. So you are wrong.
Even in Newtown the budget that included such protections was shot down by the people that live there.

OK Nancy, I'll bite. What am I wrong about? Did I ever say the NRA was against that? I haven't deleted any posts - why don't you show us all what you think I am wrong about?
 
It's not like the great NRA doesn't have any speakers for them.:peace

Nugent is a complete fruitloop. I wish we could clone Charlton Heston and get him back again. ;-) Shame I paid so much money for a life membership and they give me a bad rock star as the figurehead. I could think of a ton of folks better suited to running the NRA. I hear Dick Cheney is handy with a shotgun and out of work......
 
Nugent is a complete fruitloop. I wish we could clone Charlton Heston and get him back again. ;-) Shame I paid so much money for a life membership and they give me a bad rock star as the figurehead. I could think of a ton of folks better suited to running the NRA. I hear Dick Cheney is handy with a shotgun and out of work......

LOL, Yeah I'm sure Dick Cheney would be a good choice, he could talk about gun safety and how to hunt without shooting anybody and in case you do wait 24 hrs to get your story straight. lol:peace
 
Not remotely. You're just trying to excuse your lack of reasoning ability. Worry less about me and more about the points you should address.
Address how? This incident has no bearing on our right to own firearms.
 
OK Nancy, I'll bite. What am I wrong about? Did I ever say the NRA was against that? I haven't deleted any posts - why don't you show us all what you think I am wrong about?

You said people see it as an infringment. Its not and they dont.
 
Those sane people who are opposing gun violence and the obvious fact that guns need to be much more strictily controlled and limited, are not taking a tough enough position against the gungoons and their insane attitudes. The US will never be able to rise above this problem and make their citizens reasonably safe against gun violence until a tougher stand is taken. The will is just not there to stop it and until you Americans do your children and loved ones will continue to be slaughtered.

When is enough, enough? Do real people who aren't carrying guns around and pretending they are needed for protection, have rights too? Do pretend macho gungoons have a right to endanger the lives of others in order to satisfy what is mostly their feelings of inadequacy if they don't have a gun to back them up?
Continuously calling gun owners "gun goons" invalidates your argument.
Stop name calling and stick to some links, stats, facts, studies. Anything that has fact based information.
 
Address how? This incident has no bearing on our right to own firearms.

And yet, you entered into the discussion instead of making those arguments. :coffeepap
 
Continuously calling gun owners "gun goons" invalidates your argument.
Stop name calling and stick to some links, stats, facts, studies. Anything that has fact based information.

How's this for facts?



The NRA Song



Guns are neat, Guns are sweet
Guns the tool, what makes you cool.
Guns are fine, Guns are mine
Guns are things, that Jesus brings!

Guns for loonies, Guns for cons
Guns for Moonies, Guns for moms!

Guns are fun for everyone, buy them up by the ton.
Guns for me, Guns for you, Guns for nuts and children too!
Guns at home, Guns at work, Guns at play, Guns berserk!

Tons and tons of great big Guns,
Are tons and tons of great big fun!

I’ve got Guns up my nose ‘tween my ears and by my toes.
I’m no fool, I’m so cool, I take Guns to my school.
I take Guns in my car, to the store and to the bar.
I got Guns in a drawer, in my pocket and on the floor.
I got Guns on the wall, behind the toilet and in the hall.

I got guns in my bed, one is growing from my head!
Get a Gun and get it fast, Gun-Gun shoot-shoot is a blast!
 
How's this for facts?



The NRA Song



Guns are neat, Guns are sweet
Guns the tool, what makes you cool.
Guns are fine, Guns are mine
Guns are things, that Jesus brings!

Guns for loonies, Guns for cons
Guns for Moonies, Guns for moms!

Guns are fun for everyone, buy them up by the ton.
Guns for me, Guns for you, Guns for nuts and children too!
Guns at home, Guns at work, Guns at play, Guns berserk!

Tons and tons of great big Guns,
Are tons and tons of great big fun!

I’ve got Guns up my nose ‘tween my ears and by my toes.
I’m no fool, I’m so cool, I take Guns to my school.
I take Guns in my car, to the store and to the bar.
I got Guns in a drawer, in my pocket and on the floor.
I got Guns on the wall, behind the toilet and in the hall.

I got guns in my bed, one is growing from my head!
Get a Gun and get it fast, Gun-Gun shoot-shoot is a blast!
That can't be a serious song the NRA uses.

Has to be a parody....
 
Continuously calling gun owners "gun goons" invalidates your argument.
Stop name calling and stick to some links, stats, facts, studies. Anything that has fact based information.
people like him demonstrate what I have been saying since I first came to this forum. The anti gun left does not hate armed criminals. The anti gun left hates pro gun organizations that funnel money and votes to anti socialist politicians. Therefore it is obvious that gun control is designed to harass pro gun groups and their members-not criminals
 
That can't be a serious song the NRA uses.

Has to be a parody....

It proves that foreign gun haters are mad that we can own guns and they cannot
 
It proves that foreign gun haters are mad that we can own guns and they cannot

And it's not even like our Second Amendment was something our Founding Fathers thought up. The right to keep and bear arms is English common-law.

Bill of Rights 1689 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No royal interference in the freedom of the people to have arms for their own defence as suitable to their class and as allowed by law (simultaneously restoring rights previously taken from Protestants by James II)
 
And it's not even like our Second Amendment was something our Founding Fathers thought up. The right to keep and bear arms is English common-law.

Bill of Rights 1689 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No royal interference in the freedom of the people to have arms for their own defence as suitable to their class and as allowed by law (simultaneously restoring rights previously taken from Protestants by James II)

Well, England has certainly destroyed gun rights in its own country...
 
When is enough, enough? Do real people who aren't carrying guns around and pretending they are needed for protection, have rights too? Do pretend macho gungoons have a right to endanger the lives of others in order to satisfy what is mostly their feelings of inadequacy if they don't have a gun to back them up?

Your position is infantile. English Parliament, the Founding Fathers, SCOTUS, all of these people were not "macho gun-goons". Target shooting / sport, home protection, hunting, etc. - all valid reasons to own a firearm. And the most important reason is that Congress requires it. 230 years and not one single Congress has wanted to repeal the Militia Act of 1792. And in fact, the Militia Act and the Second Amendment is why we were able to repel the Whiskey Rebellion.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_1792.htm

The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.

An ACT more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States.

I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes.
 
Well, England has certainly destroyed gun rights in its own country...

If you say so. <rolls eyes>. Last time I checked I have friends living in UK and they own guns, they shoot at clubs, they go hunting, and they keep weapons for home protection. Now if you want to show that English common-law and the English Bill of Rights have been repealed; have right at it.

Oh - I see you live in Der Peoples Republik of Chicago. How is the Obama gun-grab working out for you guys? Crime down to zero now, is it?
 
The anti gun left hates pro gun organizations that funnel money and votes to anti socialist politicians.

OK - I'll bite. Do you contend that only one of the two major parties are funded by Super PAC's with specific agendas? Last I checked DNC hates any group that funds the GOP with Super PAC billions, and GOP hates any DNC group that funds the DNC with Super PAC billions. You know why GOP loves NRA and Jesus and DNC loves AFL-CIO and Cinco De Mayo? GOP had first pick. Anyone who thinks Washington is anything other than two teams fighting over money is definitely off base.
 
If you say so. <rolls eyes>. Last time I checked I have friends living in UK and they own guns, they shoot at clubs, they go hunting, and they keep weapons for home protection. Now if you want to show that English common-law and the English Bill of Rights have been repealed; have right at it.

Oh - I see you live in Der Peoples Republik of Chicago. How is the Obama gun-grab working out for you guys? Crime down to zero now, is it?

In the UK, there is no "right to own a gun." In the United Kingdom, civilians are not allowed to possess semi automatic and automatic firearms, handguns and armour piercing ammunition; no fully automatic weapons; no semi-automatic assault weapons; no private possession of handguns, pistols and revolvers. Licenses are required; number of firearms is limited as is ammunition.

Next.

Guns in the United Kingdom: Firearms, armed violence and gun law
 
If you say so. <rolls eyes>. Last time I checked I have friends living in UK and they own guns, they shoot at clubs, they go hunting, and they keep weapons for home protection. Now if you want to show that English common-law and the English Bill of Rights have been repealed; have right at it.

Oh - I see you live in Der Peoples Republik of Chicago. How is the Obama gun-grab working out for you guys? Crime down to zero now, is it?

I thought people in England were NOT allowed to own guns for self defense and only if they were a member of a hunting club were they allowed to own a rifle.
 
In the UK, there is no "right to own a gun." In the United Kingdom, civilians are not allowed to possess semi automatic and automatic firearms, handguns and armour piercing ammunition; no fully automatic weapons; no semi-automatic assault weapons; no private possession of handguns, pistols and revolvers. Licenses are required; number of firearms is limited as is ammunition.

Next.

Guns in the United Kingdom: Firearms, armed violence and gun law

That's what I thought too.
 
LOL, Yeah I'm sure Dick Cheney would be a good choice, he could talk about gun safety and how to hunt without shooting anybody and in case you do wait 24 hrs to get your story straight. lol:peace

If the Bar Association didn't make a ban on killing lawyers; Cheney would have merely been a hunter downing an ambulance chaser in season. I wonder if those taste good with a nice demi glase.
 
In the UK, there is no "right to own a gun." In the United Kingdom, civilians are not allowed to possess semi automatic and automatic firearms, handguns and armour piercing ammunition; no fully automatic weapons; no semi-automatic assault weapons; no private possession of handguns, pistols and revolvers. Licenses are required; number of firearms is limited as is ammunition.

Next.

Guns in the United Kingdom: Firearms, armed violence and gun law

Just continue to make stuff up, why don't you. Anyone in England who wants an FAC Firearm Certificate or an SGC Shotgun Certificate merely has to go down to the local Police Station. UK private citizens own and estimated 4+ million firearms. This is no different than here in USA where we get CCW's, FFL's, etc.

Gun politics in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Firearm licensing

With a few specialised exceptions, all firearms in the United Kingdom must be licensed on either a 5-year[36] firearm certificate (FAC) or a shotgun certificate (SGC)issued by the police for the area in which they normally reside. Each certificate can list multiple firearms, and the certificate remains valid until expiry even if all the listed firearms were subsequently banned.[37]

Shotguns (Section 2 Firearms under the 1968 Act as amended) are defined in UK law as smoothbore firearms with barrels not shorter than 24 inches (60 cm) and a bore not larger than 2 inches (5 cm) in diameter, no revolving cylinder, and either no magazine or a non-detachable magazine that is not capable of holding more than two cartridges,[19] plus one in the chamber; shotguns with higher capacity require a firearm certificate. Shotguns thus defined are subject to a less rigorous certification process than for the full FAC; an applicant is not required by law to make a good case for being granted a certificate, but the police may withhold a certificate if they consider that the applicant does not have satisfactory security in place, or granting it would constitute a danger to public safety or to the peace.[38] A certificate holder may possess as many shotguns as can be securely stored.

When applying for a firearm certificate, justification must be provided to the police for each firearm, and they are individually listed on the certificate by type, calibre, and serial number. A shotgun certificate similarly lists type, calibre and serial number, but permits possession of as many shotguns as can be safely accommodated. To gain permission for a new firearm, a "variation" must be sought, for a fee, unless the variation is made at the time of renewal, or unless it constitutes a one-for-one replacement of an existing firearm that will be disposed of. The certificate also sets out, by calibre, the maximum quantities of ammunition someone may buy or possess at any one time, and is used to record ammunition purchases (except where ammunition is bought to use immediately on a range under s11 or s15 of the Firearms Act).
 
Just continue to make stuff up, why don't you. Anyone in England who wants an FAC Firearm Certificate or an SGC Shotgun Certificate merely has to go down to the local Police Station. UK private citizens own and estimated 4+ million firearms. This is no different than here in USA where we get CCW's, FFL's, etc.

Gun politics in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Firearm licensing

With a few specialised exceptions, all firearms in the United Kingdom must be licensed on either a 5-year[36] firearm certificate (FAC) or a shotgun certificate (SGC)issued by the police for the area in which they normally reside. Each certificate can list multiple firearms, and the certificate remains valid until expiry even if all the listed firearms were subsequently banned.[37]

Shotguns (Section 2 Firearms under the 1968 Act as amended) are defined in UK law as smoothbore firearms with barrels not shorter than 24 inches (60 cm) and a bore not larger than 2 inches (5 cm) in diameter, no revolving cylinder, and either no magazine or a non-detachable magazine that is not capable of holding more than two cartridges,[19] plus one in the chamber; shotguns with higher capacity require a firearm certificate. Shotguns thus defined are subject to a less rigorous certification process than for the full FAC; an applicant is not required by law to make a good case for being granted a certificate, but the police may withhold a certificate if they consider that the applicant does not have satisfactory security in place, or granting it would constitute a danger to public safety or to the peace.[38] A certificate holder may possess as many shotguns as can be securely stored.

When applying for a firearm certificate, justification must be provided to the police for each firearm, and they are individually listed on the certificate by type, calibre, and serial number. A shotgun certificate similarly lists type, calibre and serial number, but permits possession of as many shotguns as can be safely accommodated. To gain permission for a new firearm, a "variation" must be sought, for a fee, unless the variation is made at the time of renewal, or unless it constitutes a one-for-one replacement of an existing firearm that will be disposed of. The certificate also sets out, by calibre, the maximum quantities of ammunition someone may buy or possess at any one time, and is used to record ammunition purchases (except where ammunition is bought to use immediately on a range under s11 or s15 of the Firearms Act).

What here contradicts anything I posted with link verification?
 
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