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The Republican civil war is just getting started

haymarket said:
In all the times you have made this allegation about a fact of history, why are you unable to actually present any verifiable evidence that it was this event which caused the court to make the decisions it did? The opposite is true however. You have been presented evidence from the Chief Justice himself who stated that the court expansion idea had nothing to do with his decisions or those of the Court.

You present nothing but rantings based on your hate for FDR combined with conspiratorial speculations. I and others have presented evidence from the historical record that you are simply wrong.
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you present nothing but evasions based on your desire to support the Democrat Party. You think one of FDR's lapdogs was going to admit he had been *****whipped into ignoring 130 years of precedent and going 180 degrees from Shechtner poultry?
 
NIMBY said:
every time those constituional wonks like Palin and the Delaware witch talk, right ??
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Or, that big-eared bastard in the White House. That's exactly right.
 
Nynaeve Meara said:
Don't make up catch phrases, liberal is liberal. The US is founded on liberal policies.
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true-real liberalism that saw freedom as the best state for man and wanted as limited a government as necessary. Todays liberals are nothing more than reactionary parasitic statists
 
With the Republican Civil War amping up, not having just started,
we are guaranteed 12 more straight months of Cruz, Palin, Lee, Gohmert, Klayman, King-IA
and unforseen new Loons keeping Dem. hope alive with their daily quotes..
Cable anchors/pundits will eat the words that Amewricans "will forget" .
 
Nynaeve Meara said:
Again making up catch phrases doesn't help your standing, it'd be interesting what you'd do if you actually encountered a liberal and not a US labeled one.

Obama is no where near the liberal you think he is, which is pretty amusing concept to the rest of the world.
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far lefties often try to pretend that the left wing politicians they support are really not all that leftwing compared to say Communist North Korea etc. The fact is-the only parameters worth considering are American Politics and Obama, along with FDR, LBJ and Wilson is one of the four farthest left presidents in US history
 
Nynaeve Meara said:
When I first heard of ACA and it included a single payor option I was excited to be able to have an alternative to the expensive privatized insurance companies; and then they GOP lobbies killed that section of the bill suddenly I realized just how far away the US from an actual liberal country in terms of caring for its people.
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why does caring for our country mean supporting dependency creating welfare state idiocy?
 
Michael66 said:
It may just be a situation in which the tea baggers have to win in order to bring down your country to the level at which the people will start to fight for their rights and a fair share. If that's the case then there is a great deal of suffering to be endured by the ordinary American before your country wises up.

In reality, I think the tea bagger agenda will be completely defused when Obama's term is over and the racist element no longer exists. The baggers will no longer have the motivation that keeps them hating.
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No, they'll keep on hating...because to them, the Dems will always be the party that profaned the White House by putting a black man in it. Obama got reelected by over 5M votes...but many - and perhaps most - teabaggers think that he stole the election by using voter fraud. It doesn't matter that there's zero evidence of it - it makes sense to them, and therefore it must be true.
 
Hatuey said:
The Republican civil war is just getting started



As a Democrat:

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There is no GOP civil war. In order for there to be a war, there have to be 2 sides w/equally matched power.

And that's not the case. There are the establishment GOPers who have all the power and cash, and the moronic trailerpark-dwelling tpers they manipulate to keep their power. FYI, john boner's is going to be voted back in come 2014.
 
sangha said:
50 years earlier, their ideological brethren came up with "State Rights" as a cover for Get Blacky, so why not?
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You mean the democrats

its intellectually dishonest to pretend that racism is relevant to the tea party movement

its nothing more than an intellectually sloppy way of attacking the movement without having to argue that the government is not wasting billions a week
 
TurtleDude said:
that's just plain moronic
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You've seen the History of the KKK from its inception..
You also know it's bull**** to say it has always been Democratic..
You know ionstead it has been conservative..
You live to the EAST of the largest, 300,000 in IN, congregation ever assembled..
You've seen all the papers, like Kandidate Kal Koolidge..
 
NIMBY said:
You've seen the History of the KKK from its inception..
You also know it's bull**** to say it has always been Democratic..
You know ionstead it has been conservative..
You live to the EAST of the largest, 300,000 in IN, congregation ever assembled..
You've seen all the papers, like Kandidate Kal Koolidge..
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conservative and liberal don't mean much unless you define the status quo. Right now the dems are reactionary parasitic statists whose answer to everything is MORE GOVERNMENT

The GOP was never much a part of the KKK, the DEMOCRAT party was
 
TurtleDude said:
its certainly far lower on the bottom 95% who pay less of the total federal income tax burden than in any time in the last 60 years.
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The bottom 95% pays most of the tax burden.

The notion that they don't exists only in the minds of limbaugh-brainwashed right wingers who are completely ignorant about subsidies, holding corps, etc. and believe things like "47% don't pay taxes", i. e. not understanding the concept of payroll taxes. But this doesn't surprise us considering most conservatives (including the lower classes) don't do their own taxes, since they suck at basic arithmetic.

That's why Libertarians don't like conservatives--instead of actually supporting candidates that truly oppose taxation, they stupidly vote for candidates like john boner or mitch mcconnell that are only interested in keeping the tax burden low for their corporate sponsors at the expense of middle class taxpayers who have to pick up the tab for their sponsors' subsidies (i. e. tax loopholes).
 
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solletica said:
The bottom 95% pays most of the tax burden.

The notion that they don't exists only in the minds of limbaugh-brainwashed right wingers who are actually naive enough to believe that "47% don't pay taxes", i. e. not understanding the concept of payroll taxes.

That's why Libertarians don't like conservatives--instead of actually supporting candidates that truly oppose taxation, they stupidly vote for candidates like john boner or mitch mcconnell that are only interested in keeping the tax burden low for their corporate sponsors at the expense of middle class taxpayers who have to pick up the tab for their sponsors' subsidies (i. e. tax loopholes).
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stop posting dishonest claims. the top 5% pays more federal income tax than the bottom 95%. Your pavlovian attacks on Limbaugh are as funny as your claims that your posts evidence a Libertarian philosophy. Rather your postings are based on populist hatred of the successful
 
TurtleDude said:
stop posting dishonest claims. the top 5% pays more federal income tax than the bottom 95%.
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Prove it.

Post the actual figures, accounting for all available subsidies and typical tax evasion practices (based on available stats) AND the payroll tax, and then show, mathematically, that the upper 5% still pays the bulk of the total income tax collected when accounting for all of the above.

Or you could just run away :lol:
 
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That 300,000 was the Republican party in Indiana and dissolved after stevenson went to jail for murdering the girl in the way he did..
You know the story..
His buddies didn't bail him out so he hung all 200 or so KKK/sheriffs/politicians out to dry..
TurtleDude said:
conservative and liberal don't mean much unless you define the status quo. Right now the dems are reactionary parasitic statists whose answer to everything is MORE GOVERNMENT
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The GOP was never much a part of the KKK, the DEMOCRAT party was
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KKK was not about party..
it was about conservative and TEA is on the heals of and overlaps with Aryans .
 
NIMBY said:
That 300,000 was the Republican party in Indiana and dissolved after stevenson went to jail for murdering the girl in the way he did..
You know the story..
His buddies didn't bail him out so he hung all 200 or so KKK/sheriffs/politicians out to dry..


KKK was not about party..
it was about conservative and TEA is on the heals of and overlaps with Aryans .
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that's just nonsense trying to equate anti tax activists with the Klan
 
The trail of tears with the KKK is painfully clear..
TurtleDude said:
that's just nonsense trying to equate anti tax activists with the Klan
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Too bad they didn't stay with their anti tax activism,
which immediately morphed into an unachievable position, getting rid of the 16th..
You must be concerned with Cruz and circus as the face of your movement .
 
NIMBY said:
The trail of tears with the KKK is painfully clear..

Too bad they didn't stay with their anti tax activism,
which immediately morphed into an unachievable position, getting rid of the 16th..
You must be concerned with Cruz and circus as the face of your movement .
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I am concerned how many slow witted americans thinks we can tax our way to prosperity and think that America should become a nation of dependent children
 
TurtleDude said:
that's just nonsense trying to equate anti tax activists with the Klan
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The Klan and the average conservative voter have one thing in common--they suck at basic arithmetic and/or evidence, which explains why, whenever asked to cite evidence to prove their silly claims about the upper 5% paying most of the TOTAL tax burden (which includes subsidies, available deductions, AND the payroll tax), they crawl back under their shell and run away, i e. no citations are ever supplied.
 
Until you so-called 'concerned tax-payers' take a closer look at back-in-black plans like Sen. Coburn, we're all doomed..
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I am concerned how many slow witted americans thinks we can tax our way to prosperity
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Budgets seemed to be going along well through the Clinton-2001 until the Bush/Cheney/McConnell tax cuts..
Republican debaters rejected a 10-for-1 swap for a grand bargain..
Coburn's plan was 8-for-1 and revenue did not come from increased taxes..
and think that America should become a nation of dependent children
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hyperbole
 
solletica said:
The Klan and the average conservative voter have one thing in common--they suck at basic arithmetic and/or evidence, which explains why, whenever asked to cite evidence to prove their silly claims about the upper 5% paying most of the TOTAL tax burden (which includes subsidies, available deductions, AND the payroll tax), they crawl back under their shell and run away, i e. no citations are ever supplied.
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I said the top 5% pay more than half the FEDERAL INCOME TAX burden. Throw in the surcharge on the top tax payers-the death tax and its even higher.

So stop lying about what I said.
 
TurtleDude said:
its certainly far lower on the bottom 95% who pay less of the total federal income tax burden than in any time in the last 60 years. This is why government spending is out of control-most people don't get taxed to pay for what they want
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Here is my comment just so people can see Solletica is misrepresenting my comment. Federal income tax burden means the federal income tax. Not payroll tax, not social security tax, not revenue tax on spirits tobacco or firearms etc
 
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