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The Republican civil war is just getting started

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The Republican civil war is just getting started

"I think it's important for Republican leaders around the country to speak out against him and neutralize him," Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said of Cruz. "Otherwise he's going to start the same nonsense again in December or January."


On the flip side, Tea Partiers blamed moderate Republicans for selling out the party. Powerful grassroots organizations that fomented the early Tea Party uprisings and who promoted the shutdown effort are driving that message home to movement conservatives.


FreedomWorks blasted the shutdown deal as a "full surrender" to Democrats. The Senate Conservatives Fund called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) a "turncoat" and urged conservatives to oust him in a primary.

As a Democrat:

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It may just be a situation in which the tea baggers have to win in order to bring down your country to the level at which the people will start to fight for their rights and a fair share. If that's the case then there is a great deal of suffering to be endured by the ordinary American before your country wises up.

In reality, I think the tea bagger agenda will be completely defused when Obama's term is over and the racist element no longer exists. The baggers will no longer have the motivation that keeps them hating.
 
The OP is totally correct. The tea partiers have an autistic quality, they will continue to push the GOP into fighting for irrational and extreme policies rejected by the American people, and the normals in the party will have to either break with them or go along. Either way, the GOP loses.

Once you turn the rightwing noise machine on, you can't turn it off. It just gets louder and more extreme day by day.
 
In reality, I think the tea bagger agenda will be completely defused when Obama's term is over and the racist element no longer exists. The baggers will no longer have the motivation that keeps them hating.


Our only choice is to elect another minority. This time he/she better be atleast 75% minority, that'll really get things going!
 
In reality, I think the tea bagger agenda will be completely defused when Obama's term is over .

So... let me get this straight: you think that as soon as Obama is not our President anymore, the national debt will begin shrinking, the idiotic and harmful legislative disasters like the ACA will begin suddenly make sense, the lethal drones will turn into a robotic equivalent of Marry Poppins, etc, etc?

Well, excuse my lack of reverence, but I sincerely don't think our current President is all that magical powerful or all that caricature-evil.

Just relax for a moment and allow the possibility that this is not all about Obama and especially not about concentration of melanin in his epidermis. Because - honesty - nobody I personally know cares about THAT in the least. And many of us are pretty much "tea baggers" - by deed or by inclination.
 
So... let me get this straight: you think that as soon as Obama is not our President anymore, the national debt will begin shrinking, the idiotic and harmful legislative disasters like the ACA will begin suddenly make sense, the lethal drones will turn into a robotic equivalent of Marry Poppins, etc, etc?

Well, excuse my lack of reverence, but I sincerely don't think our current President is all that magical powerful or all that caricature-evil.

Just relax for a moment and allow the possibility that this is not all about Obama and especially not about concentration of melanin in his epidermis. Because - honesty - nobody I personally know cares about THAT in the least. And many of us are pretty much "tea baggers" - by deed or by inclination.

The problem is the Tea Party movement was never about that. It was a direct reaction to Obama's election. They had no problem with growing debt for 30 years. They suddenly have a problem with it when Obama gets elected.
 
The problem is the Tea Party movement was never about that. It was a direct reaction to Obama's election. They had no problem with growing debt for 30 years. They suddenly have a problem with it when Obama gets elected.

So they came up with the name Taxed Enough Already as a cover story for Get Blacky? I'm pretty sure its a complaint about policy that pushes for more social spending by increasing taxes.

What's the solution to the budget deficit? Spend more money and increase taxes
What's the solution to social issue X? Spend more money and increase taxes
What's the solution to fixing healthcare.gov? Spend more money and increase taxes.

As for the debt, looking at the last 30 years worth of increases:
83-93 -- 3 trillion
93-03 -- 2.8 trillion
03-13 -- 10 trillion ( 7 trillion of which has happened since 08 )
 
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So... let me get this straight: you think that as soon as Obama is not our President anymore, the national debt will begin shrinking, the idiotic and harmful legislative disasters like the ACA will begin suddenly make sense, the lethal drones will turn into a robotic equivalent of Marry Poppins, etc, etc?

I don't think those things will happen, but I would be willing to bet real money that if a GOP president is elected in 2016 the tea party will remain "vocal" all the while voting for the GOP like the right did with Bush. They "said" the didn't like the spending, but voted for him again.
 
The problem is the Tea Party movement was never about that. It was a direct reaction to Obama's election. They had no problem with growing debt for 30 years. They suddenly have a problem with it when Obama gets elected.

Nonsense. The tea party movement is a direct outgrowth of the Ron Paul Revolution - that was directed as much against the mainstream GOP as against the Unthinking Left - and its independent flourishing, starting in 2009, had every sign of being an acute reaction to the financial crisis - brought on by very similar Republican and Democratic policies.

The Democratic spinners thought they are invincible: Accuse anyone who has anything against what their side is doing of racism - and you win automatically. Did not work out that way. We are dumb, as a nation, but we are not THAT dumb.
 
I wish I could bookmark threads like this. When Obamacare begins to implode and and Christie wins the White House it will be fun to find out what happened to the people who were so sure it was all over for the GOP. Probably be in hiding by then, huh?
 
So... let me get this straight: you think that as soon as Obama is not our President anymore, the national debt will begin shrinking, the idiotic and harmful legislative disasters like the ACA will begin suddenly make sense, the lethal drones will turn into a robotic equivalent of Marry Poppins, etc, etc?

Well, excuse my lack of reverence, but I sincerely don't think our current President is all that magical powerful or all that caricature-evil.

Just relax for a moment and allow the possibility that this is not all about Obama and especially not about concentration of melanin in his epidermis. Because - honesty - nobody I personally know cares about THAT in the least. And many of us are pretty much "tea baggers" - by deed or by inclination.

What I really think is that the drones and the rest of it will become totally acceptable to Americans after Obama is gone. It always was, an to a much higher degree than now.

The fact is, the tea baggers have revealed their racist tendencies over and over again in their political demonstrations on the streets. They have done it to a degree that denial is just not possible anymore.

Obama is a black president that is seen as attempting to elevate the miserable lot of blacks in your country. That's not his only purpose but it's being seen by his detractors as being so. And so, even though I don't expect honesty from you, that's no reason why I shouldn't be totally honest about what it's about.

When Obama is gone, things will change abruptly. The lot of the black people of America will most likely be put on the back burner for a time at least and there will be a moderate degree of political peace.

The reason I know this will happen is because the bagger agenda is based on intangibles that are impossible to be the agenda items of the ordinary American. It's only because of racist hate that the Koch brothers and their ilk have been able to capture the undying support of the little guy.

I've seen it happen in a somewhat similar way in my own country with the REform party. It became a marriage made in hell of extremists from both the left and the right. It died because they didn't have anything in common other than an irrational hate based on them being coopted into believing in the agenda of the wealthy. The tea bagger agenda will likewise die too when the hate fades away back into the closets of the southerners.
 
So they came up with the name Taxed Enough Already as a cover story for Get Blacky?I'm pretty sure its a complaint about policy that pushes for more social spending by increasing taxes.

What's the solution to the budget deficit? Spend more money and increase taxes
What's the solution to social issue X? Spend more money and increase taxes
What's the solution to fixing healthcare.gov? Spend more money and increase taxes.

One question: Where was the Tea Party before 2008? :)
 
One question: Where was the Tea Party before 2008? :)

They didn't give a **** because somebody was cutting their taxes. They didn't give a **** in the 90s because "everybody" was riding the wave. Elected GHWB in 89 on a promise of no new taxes, he raised them, and got tossed. Didn't care in the 80s because of cut taxes and focus on the Reds.

Its pretty simple really.
 
Nonsense. The tea party movement is a direct outgrowth of the Ron Paul Revolution.

We're having some massive delusions of grandeur - aren't we? Prove it. :)
 
They didn't give a **** because somebody was cutting their taxes.

Lol, nonsense. Clinton raised taxes, so did Bush, so did Reagan. Name a SINGLE president who hasn't raised a taxes or created a new one? You can't.
 
I don't think those things will happen, but I would be willing to bet real money that if a GOP president is elected in 2016 the tea party will remain "vocal" all the while voting for the GOP like the right did with Bush. They "said" the didn't like the spending, but voted for him again.

Well, who exactly are you talking about?

Tea parties did not exist as such until Feb 2009 or so. Their libertarian (mostly Paulite) predecessors had no representation in the Congress with the sole true exception of Ron Paul himself, and a couple of partial exceptions. Politicians they have promoted - from Chris Christie to Justin Amash - were not in the office. Since they've got into the office, their overall record was actually surprisingly decent.

Of course, there are always pests like Michelle Bachmann - opportunists who promote themselves as "leaders of the movement", while their record shows complete indifference to the "movement"'s goals (at best). But they have never been associated - in any quality - with any actual tea parties - the grassroots organizations on county and lower levels. Take any "socially conservative", anti-immigrant or militaristic demagogue claiming to be a "tea partier" - and it's every time almost exactly the same story: An impostor promoted by the likes of MSNBC and FOX.
 
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Lol, nonsense. Clinton raised taxes, so did Bush, so did Reagan. Name a SINGLE president who hasn't raised a taxes or created a new one? You can't.

It appears you missed some of my previous post.
 
The 'big money push' behind the tea parties is nothing more than the enlistment of the endemic racist hate of simpleminded ordinary Americans in order to do the bidding of the wealthy.

It won't be at the wealthy's disposal when Obama is finished.

They'll need to find a new cause and it will likely be something to do with upholding the constitution. That will fail because the 'constitution b.s. will fade into the background again where it was before Obama. All the three corner hats will be put back in the closets and only taken out for costume parties or Hallowe'en.
 
The problem is the Tea Party movement was never about that. It was a direct reaction to Obama's election. They had no problem with growing debt for 30 years. They suddenly have a problem with it when Obama gets elected.

The Tea Party hasn't existed for 30 years.

You need to stop using Obama's race as cover for his incompetance.
 
As for the debt, looking at the last 30 years worth of increases:
83-93 -- 3 trillion
93-03 -- 2.8 trillion
03-13 -- 10 trillion ( 7 trillion of which has happened since 08 )

So what you're saying is that you would have been fine with 3 more trillion in debt but not 7?
 
We're having some massive delusions of grandeur - aren't we? Prove it. :)

What "delusions of grandeur"? I was not a part of either.

But when thousands gather on town squares in 2008, sounding certain very particular themes, and then tens of thousands gather on the same squares in 2009 - many of them the same very people - sounding exactly the same themes - or no, there's no connection. It's happening only because Obama was elected President, and his father was black....

Please.
 
The Tea Party hasn't existed for 30 years.

The point went so far over your head I'm wondering if Gary Coleman invaded your brain.
 
What "delusions of grandeur"? I was not a part of either.

But when thousands gather on town squares in 2008, sounding certain very particular themes, and then tens of thousands gather on the same squares in 2009 - many of them the same very people - sounding exactly the same themes - or no, there's no connection. It's happening only because Obama was elected President, and his father was black....

Please.

What year was Obama elected in? :) How long have we been trillions in debt?
 
So what you're saying is that you would have been fine with 3 more trillion in debt but not 7?

So what are you saying, that there's no difference?
 
The point went so far over your head I'm wondering if Gary Coleman invaded your brain.

When you use race as cover for incompetance, you denegrate the entire race.
 
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