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Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143:248]

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Insurers say faulty data from ObamaCare marketplaces is straining their ability to handle even the first wave of consumers who were able to sign up for health insurance using federally run exchanges during the glitch-ridden rollout of the new law.

Executives at more than a dozen health insurance companies say they have received data from online marketplaces that is riddled with errors, including duplicate enrollments, missing data fields and spouses reported as children, The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.

Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges | Fox News

so even with the dismal amount that were able to enroll that is even screwed up
so when are you liberal going to come to the inevitable conclusion this is not working it will never work and all your doing at this point is allowing your pride and your reluctance to admit failure get in the way of doing the right thing and that is repeal and replace. you rather see millions suffer so to keep from that realization that Obama care is a total unmitigated disaster
And you want to call the Tea Party terrorist and hostage takers?
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

What gets me is that the statements made by people like Sebilius [sic] that were along the lines of, even if the exchanges were not up by December, they would still keep the individual mandate in place....This is unbelievable.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Their theory was that if they could get people to buy into their program that it would last forever. That's why individuals weren't allowed to delay enrollment. I don't think they understood the punishment that Obamacare is inflicting on voters.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges | Fox News

so even with the dismal amount that were able to enroll that is even screwed up
so when are you liberal going to come to the inevitable conclusion this is not working it will never work and all your doing at this point is allowing your pride and your reluctance to admit failure get in the way of doing the right thing and that is repeal and replace. you rather see millions suffer so to keep from that realization that Obama care is a total unmitigated disaster
And you want to call the Tea Party terrorist and hostage takers?

Another thing that bothers me about this exchange is the fact that it takes insurance salespeople out of the mix. The greater majority of people need someone to interpret insurance legalese. Even though these programs are supposed to be idiot proof? When I was able to briefly view options, they were confusing to me. I've learned that if I'm confused, the greater majority of people are as well.

Insurance salespeople are able to cut through the baloney and compare features. There's a huge assumption being made that people are going to take the time and have the smarts to wade through the exchange and determine what policy is most advantageous for them. That, in my opinion, is a mistake.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Their theory was that if they could get people to buy into their program that it would last forever. That's why individuals weren't allowed to delay enrollment. I don't think they understood the punishment that Obamacare is inflicting on voters.

The problem was that it was too ambitious, and past through a one party vote that makes people feel like a.) they don't understand the entire bill, and b.) like they are forced to take it.

That isn't how you get things done in this country.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Their theory was that if they could get people to buy into their program that it would last forever. That's why individuals weren't allowed to delay enrollment. I don't think they understood the punishment that Obamacare is inflicting on voters.

and I hate to say it their theory has historical backing name one welfare program that has ever been repealed after roll out
Liberals know this and it is why they forced rollout before 2014 so even if they lost the senate it will be to late to turn back
liberals are just like drug dealers and their drug the are pushing is the slavery of dependency the more they can get hooked on that drug the better chance they have to stay in power
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Another thing that bothers me about this exchange is the fact that it takes insurance salespeople out of the mix. The greater majority of people need someone to interpret insurance legalese. Even though these programs are supposed to be idiot proof? When I was able to briefly view options, they were confusing to me. I've learned that if I'm confused, the greater majority of people are as well.

Insurance salespeople are able to cut through the baloney and compare features. There's a huge assumption being made that people are going to take the time and have the smarts to wade through the exchange and determine what policy is most advantageous for them. That, in my opinion, is a mistake.

I agree, people are dumb! I mean c'mon? Co-pays? Deductibles? People want to get THE FREE HEALTH INSURANCE!
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

I agree, people are dumb! I mean c'mon? Co-pays? Deductibles? People want to get THE FREE HEALTH INSURANCE!

People aren't dumb. People just aren't insurance experts.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Another thing that bothers me about this exchange is the fact that it takes insurance salespeople out of the mix. The greater majority of people need someone to interpret insurance legalese. Even though these programs are supposed to be idiot proof? When I was able to briefly view options, they were confusing to me. I've learned that if I'm confused, the greater majority of people are as well.

Insurance salespeople are able to cut through the baloney and compare features. There's a huge assumption being made that people are going to take the time and have the smarts to wade through the exchange and determine what policy is most advantageous for them. That, in my opinion, is a mistake.
reason why Maggie is so not to give up power and control. liberals want to control the message so to hide the failures and only allow the people to see the nice shinny candy
it is like giving a piece of junk a nice shinny paint job but not allow anyone to look under the hood when you try to sell it
Insurance companies would allow you to look under the hood
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

People aren't dumb. People just aren't insurance experts.

which is why we need to have regulation to keep worthless policies off of the market.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

which is why we need to have regulation to keep worthless policies off of the market.

Every single state in the union has an insurance regulation department. There may be a few scams on the market, but they don't stay long and their ownership goes to jail. We didn't need Obamacare Exchanges to accomplish that. We needed insurance regulations to spell out what must be included in the Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum policies and get out of the way of the free market.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

You know . . . when you contrive a new system you're supposed to TEST IT first. Test - fix - test - fix - and so on, so forth, until it's within a margin of accuracy.

I gather that they didn't consider this at all.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

The problem was that it was too ambitious, and past through a one party vote that makes people feel like a.) they don't understand the entire bill, and b.) like they are forced to take it.

That isn't how you get things done in this country.

they felt the needed to strike while the iron was hot they had control of all of government and they wanted to push for socialist medicine before they lost control, because they knew once it was implemented there was no turning back. they didn't give a rats ass if it worked or was good for the country it was just another drug of dependency they are pushing to get more and more hooked so they can stay in power
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

and I hate to say it their theory has historical backing name one welfare program that has ever been repealed after roll out
Liberals know this and it is why they forced rollout before 2014 so even if they lost the senate it will be to late to turn back
liberals are just like drug dealers and their drug the are pushing is the slavery of dependency the more they can get hooked on that drug the better chance they have to stay in power

FDR said of socialist security that if people paid for it politicians would never take it away. The problem with Obamacare is that people can do better for themselves if government would just back away.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Another thing that bothers me about this exchange is the fact that it takes insurance salespeople out of the mix. The greater majority of people need someone to interpret insurance legalese. Even though these programs are supposed to be idiot proof? When I was able to briefly view options, they were confusing to me. I've learned that if I'm confused, the greater majority of people are as well.

Insurance salespeople are able to cut through the baloney and compare features. There's a huge assumption being made that people are going to take the time and have the smarts to wade through the exchange and determine what policy is most advantageous for them. That, in my opinion, is a mistake.

You are so right, Maggie. I used to work for a heath insurance company, so I know a thing or two about policies and how they work...but even so, I won't buy into a plan without seeing a complete breakdown of costs and benefits. Most people don't even know enough to understand what such a breakdown even means. They need to have a person in front of them who will explain every single detail.

You can't get that from a website...and you SURE can't get that from Obamacare's website.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

which is why we need to have regulation to keep worthless policies off of the market.

and you call your self a libertarian?
the market will regulate that on its own by people realizing a worthless product and not buy it
we cant continue to try to save people from their own stupidity they will never learn if they don't make their own mistakes to learn from
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

FDR said of socialist security that if people paid for it politicians would never take it away. The problem with Obamacare is that people can do better for themselves if government would just back away.

and all those liberals would be with out a job if they don't have more and more dependent on them
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

You are so right, Maggie. I used to work for a heath insurance company, so I know a thing or two about policies and how they work...but even so, I won't buy into a plan without seeing a complete breakdown of costs and benefits. Most people don't even know enough to understand what such a breakdown even means. They need to have a person in front of them who will explain every single detail.

You can't get that from a website...and you SURE can't get that from Obamacare's website.

Obama care doesn't want the details exposed and explained, because when it is the people would come to the realization they are getting screwed
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Every single state in the union has an insurance regulation department. There may be a few scams on the market, but they don't stay long and their ownership goes to jail. We didn't need Obamacare Exchanges to accomplish that. We needed insurance regulations to spell out what must be included in the Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum policies and get out of the way of the free market.

Interesting that you should bring up state regulation. One of the mantras of the Republicans during the health care debate was that all we need to do is allow insurers to operate across state lines, and costs will go down. The truth of the matter is that insurers can operate across state lines, and always have had that ability, so long as they conform to the regulations of the state in which they're selling insurance. Now, one of the things in Obamacare is allowing insurers to operate across state lines. Interesting, no?
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Interesting that you should bring up state regulation. One of the mantras of the Republicans during the health care debate was that all we need to do is allow insurers to operate across state lines, and costs will go down. The truth of the matter is that insurers can operate across state lines, and always have had that ability, so long as they conform to the regulations of the state in which they're selling insurance. Now, one of the things in Obamacare is allowing insurers to operate across state lines. Interesting, no?

I'd imagine that's because the Obamacare policies are deemed conforming. Republicans were wrong if they thought that was all that was necessary. Pre-existing conditions needed to be addressed. And, unfortunately, without a mandate for enrollment, premiums would have necessarily sky-rocketed to cover them.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

At a certain point, software cannot simply be patched to fix the problems with it. Sometimes you just have to redesign and recreate the entire platform. I think that is what is going to have to happen with the federal Obamacare exchange platform. There appears to be too many problems with it to simply fix it. From account creation and user interfacing to information storage and dispersement, there is little to the program that appears to work correctly. Add in the report that proper computer coding protocols weren't followed (which makes it more difficult for other individuals to work with the program) and I think the most cost-effective solution is to trash the whole code and start over.

Politics are involved so they probably won't do that (that would involve admitting failure/ finding an adequate scapegoat), leading to a long cascade of problems which endlessly frustrate the end users while costing us billions/trillions of dollars. I think the best solution would have been to delay the individual mandate to allow the program designers to be fired and to allow for the development process to start over.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

At a certain point, software cannot simply be patched to fix the problems with it. Sometimes you just have to redesign and recreate the entire platform. I think that is what is going to have to happen with the federal Obamacare exchange platform. There appears to be too many problems with it to simply fix it. From account creation and user interfacing to information storage and dispersement, there is little to the program that appears to work correctly. Add in the report that proper computer coding protocols weren't followed (which makes it more difficult for other individuals to work with the program) and I think the most cost-effective solution is to trash the whole code and start over.

Politics are involved so they probably won't do that (that would involve admitting failure/ finding an adequate scapegoat), leading to a long cascade of problems which endlessly frustrate the end users while costing us billions/trillions of dollars. I think the best solution would have been to delay the individual mandate to allow the program designers to be fired and to allow for the development process to start over.

they wont delay it and risk the chance of republicans gaining control and repeal it they rather it have millions suffer caused by the train wreck than risk the chance of repeal
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

I'd imagine that's because the Obamacare policies are deemed conforming. Republicans were wrong if they thought that was all that was necessary. Pre-existing conditions needed to be addressed. And, unfortunately, without a mandate for enrollment, premiums would have necessarily sky-rocketed to cover them.

Exactly.

Premiums have, in fact, been skyrocketing for quite some time now. They will probably continue to increase, with the difference being that now the increase can be blamed on the Democrats.
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Exactly.

Premiums have, in fact, been skyrocketing for quite some time now. They will probably continue to increase, with the difference being that now the increase can be blamed on the Democrats.

And rightfully so. We could have done things in a more compartmentalized manner that would have allowed people to understand it better, and see what is in it, but that just would not do now would it? No, it had to be lied about, demagogued, and have its opponents demonized, and guess what? It still is opposed by more than half of the actual American people.....

But eh, that is what these sheeple voted for right? :shrug:
 
re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Interesting that you should bring up state regulation. One of the mantras of the Republicans during the health care debate was that all we need to do is allow insurers to operate across state lines, and costs will go down. The truth of the matter is that insurers can operate across state lines, and always have had that ability, so long as they conform to the regulations of the state in which they're selling insurance. Now, one of the things in Obamacare is allowing insurers to operate across state lines. Interesting, no?

Well that's about as accurate as saying the democrat mantra for solving the problem of those without insurance was to pass a law requiring it.
 
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