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Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143:248]

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Dittohead not! said:
Bigger than the Vietnam War, the invasion of Iraq, and the government shutdown?
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Yes....
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Dittohead not! said:
Wow, that is big.

Not bigger than the war on drugs, though.
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No, but the potential is there...same with Social Security.
 
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Mycroft said:
No, but the potential is there...same with Social Security.
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The potential is there.

Particularly with the dysfunctional Congress unable to fix any of it.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
That contradicts your previous claim that the medical provider is the slave.

As I said, you keep losing track of your argument.
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No it doesn't. I never claimed that the medical provider is the slave. The medical provider is providing a service in exchange for compensation under terms that he agrees to voluntarily. As I said. You've lost track of the argument.
 
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jmotivator said:
There is always the feel good story in Oregon where the woman with cancer who was on Oregon's state run universal health care received a letter from the state that passed on two bits of news: 1) Her cancer treatment would no longer be paid for and 2) Euthanasia was legal in Oregon and covered by her insurance.

So warm and fuzzy....
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Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care | Fox News

Woman Victimized by Oregon Assisted Suicide Law Urges Washington to Vote No | LifeNews.com
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Dittohead not! said:
The potential is there.

Particularly with the dysfunctional Congress unable to fix any of it.
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They are not 'fixing' anything when all they should do in your eyes is lay down....
 
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j-mac said:
They are not 'fixing' anything when all they should do in your eyes is lay down....
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I'm not sure when I've ever said that Congress should lay down.
 
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j-mac said:
In terms of cost ABSOLUTELY!
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Hardly. I'd be surprised if Obamacare cost more than Medicare Part D.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I'm not sure when I've ever said that Congress should lay down.
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Well, earlier you started using the same arguments of the progressive left, I assumed that you wanted the same outcomes.

Hardly. I'd be surprised if Obamacare cost more than Medicare Part D.
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"This will only come as a surprise to President Obama’s most gullible admirers: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) now claims that the president’s signature health care legislation will cost hundreds of billions of dollars more than originally predicted. So naturally, the media are running headlines claiming ObamaCare will cost less.

No serious policy person ever believed the original CBO gross cost projection of $938 billion (over 10 years) made when the bill was rammed through Congress in March of 2010. Working to achieve an acceptable CBO “score” (i.e., cost projection) is just part of the game Washington plays with legislation—and the American people.

To begin with, the costs in the legislation were back-loaded: Many of the costs won’t emerge until the latter half of the initial 10-year projection, ending in 2019. And sure enough, when the CBO issued its update in March 2011 the 10-year gross cost projection through 2021 jumped to $1.44 trillion. The just-released 2012 projection tags the gross cost at $1.76 trillion through 2022—nearly twice the original cost. Surprise!"

I'm Shocked! ObamaCare Costs More Than Promised - Forbes

Where have you been?
 
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FederalRepublic said:
No it doesn't. I never claimed that the medical provider is the slave. The medical provider is providing a service in exchange for compensation under terms that he agrees to voluntarily. As I said. You've lost track of the argument.
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FederalRepublic said:
I don't really think you lost track of it, because I don't think you're stupid.
That's still the argument. It hasn't been dropped. If you have a right to health care, then someone must provide it for you.
The slave is the one who is forced to provide a service for you. It's not that difficult a concept.
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I'm sorry that you can't remember from page to page, from day to day, what you posted. What is really sad is that even when your own words are presently presented, you still deny your own words.

I hope things get better for you.

Good luck.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
I'm sorry that you can't remember from page to page, from day to day, what you posted. What is really sad is that even when your own words are presently presented, you still deny your own words.

I hope things get better for you.

Good luck.
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That's going to leave a mark
 
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pbrauer said:
1) She is alive isn't she?
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No, she is dead.

2) Euthanasia has never been legal in Oregon, you're confusing it with doctor assisted suicide which has stringent rules which make it difficult to qualify.
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Doctor assisted suicide IS euthanasia.

Not a great batting average there, chief.
 
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pbrauer said:
One point for you and one point for me.

Assisted suicide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Assisted Suicide is without a doctor present. Euthanasia is in the presence of a doctor.

There are several forms of Euthanasia (ie. voluntary, involuntary, non-voluntary), but doctor assisted suicide is one of those forms.

Still 2-0.
 
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jmotivator said:
Assisted Suicide is without a doctor present. Euthanasia is in the presence of a doctor. Still 2-0.
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All the Doctor does is prescribe the drugs, he is not present. The patient can choose the take the drugs at anytime. In some cases the patient never takes the drugs before dying naturally.
 
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pbrauer said:
All the Doctor does is prescribe the drugs, he is not present. The patient can choose the take the drugs at anytime. In some cases the patient never takes the drugs before dying naturally.
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That isn't true. States tend not to be very amenable to letting people leave a doctor's presence carrying lethal doses of poison.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
The potential is there.

Particularly with the dysfunctional Congress unable to fix any of it.
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Obamacare wouldn't need to be fixed if it had never been enacted.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, earlier you started using the same arguments of the progressive left, I assumed that you wanted the same outcomes.
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The outcomes being that Congress laid down? Is it naptime for them?

j-mac said:
"This will only come as a surprise to President Obama’s most gullible admirers: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) now claims that the president’s signature health care legislation will cost hundreds of billions of dollars more than originally predicted. So naturally, the media are running headlines claiming ObamaCare will cost less.

No serious policy person ever believed the original CBO gross cost projection of $938 billion (over 10 years) made when the bill was rammed through Congress in March of 2010. Working to achieve an acceptable CBO “score” (i.e., cost projection) is just part of the game Washington plays with legislation—and the American people.

To begin with, the costs in the legislation were back-loaded: Many of the costs won’t emerge until the latter half of the initial 10-year projection, ending in 2019. And sure enough, when the CBO issued its update in March 2011 the 10-year gross cost projection through 2021 jumped to $1.44 trillion. The just-released 2012 projection tags the gross cost at $1.76 trillion through 2022—nearly twice the original cost. Surprise!"

I'm Shocked! ObamaCare Costs More Than Promised - Forbes

Where have you been?
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Sounds like you're right there. According to this, Medicare part D costs only $62 billion a year vs (according to your figures) somewhere between 93 and 170 billion.

Of course, Medicare D is a lot more limited in scope.
 
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Mycroft said:
Obamacare wouldn't need to be fixed if it had never been enacted.
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But the health care system still would.

but, on the other hand, it still does.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
if it's in anyway structure like the mass plan or ACA, it isn't viable without the individual mandate
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It is if you have very limited enrollment periods, or penalties for late insurance. Most employers don't require their employees to buy their health insurance and it works out great. Due to the fact people get only a month or so a year to enroll.

But even if we did go with a tax penalty, more people would participate since the GOP plan didn't require insurance to cover anything more than what the consumer wanted. So the young and healthy could still buy super cheap plans.
 
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francois60 said:
It is if you have very limited enrollment periods, or penalties for late insurance. Most employers don't require their employees to buy their health insurance and it works out great. Due to the fact people get only a month or so a year to enroll.

But even if we did go with a tax penalty, more people would participate since the GOP plan didn't require insurance to cover anything more than what the consumer wanted. So the young and healthy could still buy super cheap plans.
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usually employee group plans are a form of compensation, with the employer footing a percentage of the bill. This isn't the case here where the full value of the plan will need to be covered by those healthy individuals
 
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I'm not sure how much that matters, given many healthy employees choose to not take advantage of their employer plans.

My own employer has awesome benefits besides health care and I feel crazy not to take advantage of every one of them, but they all have some cost, so I can't take them all.
 
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