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Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143:248]

Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

I'm not sure how much that matters, given many healthy employees choose to not take advantage of their employer plans.

My own employer has awesome benefits besides health care and I feel crazy not to take advantage of every one of them, but they all have some cost, so I can't take them all.


but you do take advantage of some, because otherwise you're missing out on compensation. Here we are expecting enrollment at full price. It only seems logical you would have less participation without some form of incentive to participate.
 
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usually employee group plans are a form of compensation, with the employer footing a percentage of the bill. This isn't the case here where the full value of the plan will need to be covered by those healthy individuals

What is even more insidious here, is that from what I understand, that portion that the employer pays as compensation will start to be taxed next year, as income....So peoples taxes go up as well..Then if the employer decides that they will drop the plan for cost reasons, as has happened, I am sure that most employers will not increase their workers pay by a like amount....

So, those workers, thanks to Obama, and the demo party will less spendable income, higher taxes, and crappier insurance. Good Job libs....I guess in liberal la la land that is counted as success.
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Only if it's above a certain amount. This will mainly effect union health care plans, not your typical employer plan.

And Dr. Chuckles, you're right, obviously when you reduce the cost of something, there's more demand, when you increase it, there's less. Which might be why a recent Pew poll found that 31% of the uninsured have no interest in the exchanges.

Public Registers Bumpy Launch of Health Care Exchange Websites | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Only if it's above a certain amount. This will mainly effect union health care plans, not your typical employer plan.

And Dr. Chuckles, you're right, obviously when you reduce the cost of something, there's more demand, when you increase it, there's less. Which might be why a recent Pew poll found that 31% of the uninsured have no interest in the exchanges.

Public Registers Bumpy Launch of Health Care Exchange Websites | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

Exchange participation, by full paying, healthy adults, has been a real persistent issue in Massachusetts for obvious reasons
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Exchange participation, by full paying, healthy adults, has been a real persistent issue in Massachusetts for obvious reasons

And the national exchanges are going to have the same problem because they took 50% of that population(healthy 20-somethings) and let them stay on their parent's plan.
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

This is the overwhelming proof of Obama's lack of management skills. we are told for example, "experts" are working on a fix for the computer problems people are experiencing trying to log on to the site. Is it unreasonable to ask where were the "experts" when this mess was being set up? If this were a company the top mangers would all be fired. Did they not anticipate this??!! This is the equivalent to building a billion dollar sports area and a parking lot for one thousand cars. If you were in the conference meetings held during the creation of this would you not speak up and question "why" the program is not being set up to handle an avalanche of applicants? Who gets hurt here? The politicians? Of course not.
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

What is even more insidious here, is that from what I understand, that portion that the employer pays as compensation will start to be taxed next year, as income....

Take the source or leave it, but here is an explanation of that:

Q: My tax professional told me that my employer-paid health care plan will now be taxed as part of my income. Is this true?

A: Employer-provided insurance, in general, is still not included as taxable income, says Mark Luscombe of Wolters Kluwer Tax & Accounting. There have been some exceptions — one example is health insurance for domestic partners up until the recent Supreme Court decision overturning Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act. There have been some tax reform proposals to eliminate the exclusion for employer-provided health insurance, but they have not been enacted as of yet.

We're Answering Your Questions About Obamacare - Yahoo Finance

So it would seem (given the bolded part) that this has not happened yet.
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

This is the overwhelming proof of Obama's lack of management skills. we are told for example, "experts" are working on a fix for the computer problems people are experiencing trying to log on to the site. Is it unreasonable to ask where were the "experts" when this mess was being set up? If this were a company the top mangers would all be fired. Did they not anticipate this??!! This is the equivalent to building a billion dollar sports area and a parking lot for one thousand cars. If you were in the conference meetings held during the creation of this would you not speak up and question "why" the program is not being set up to handle an avalanche of applicants? Who gets hurt here? The politicians? Of course not.

I've been banging that drum for a long time. Obama has never run anything and he hasn't learned anything about management in his five years as President. Incompetence permeates everything they do. Which is why they always resort to the "The President wasn't informed" defense.
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

What is even more insidious here, is that from what I understand, that portion that the employer pays as compensation will start to be taxed next year, as income....So peoples taxes go up as well..Then if the employer decides that they will drop the plan for cost reasons, as has happened, I am sure that most employers will not increase their workers pay by a like amount....

So, those workers, thanks to Obama, and the demo party will less spendable income, higher taxes, and crappier insurance. Good Job libs....I guess in liberal la la land that is counted as success.

From what I understand, we've been told a whole lot of things about the ACA that don't happen to be true. Is it true that employers can no longer deduct the amount they spend on health care for employees? Really? That sounds so illogical, so counter productive, and so downright stupid that it sounds more like an internet rumor than a real part of the ACA. Can you cite the chapter and verse in the law that states this?
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

From what I understand, we've been told a whole lot of things about the ACA that don't happen to be true. Is it true that employers can no longer deduct the amount they spend on health care for employees? Really? That sounds so illogical, so counter productive, and so downright stupid that it sounds more like an internet rumor than a real part of the ACA. Can you cite the chapter and verse in the law that states this?

You shouldn't bother with any whines that are based on "from what I understand". Usually such claims are based on the only thing the posters understands which is that they hate Obama and will believe anything that sounds bad about anything he's done.

Case in point is j-mac's claim. There's nothing true about it but he believes it anyway
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

You shouldn't bother with any whines that are based on "from what I understand". Usually such claims are based on the only thing the posters understands which is that they hate Obama and will believe anything that sounds bad about anything he's done.

Case in point is j-mac's claim. There's nothing true about it but he believes it anyway

OK, j-mac, sounds like the cards are on the table, the bets are in, what do you have?
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Take the source or leave it, but here is an explanation of that:



We're Answering Your Questions About Obamacare - Yahoo Finance

So it would seem (given the bolded part) that this has not happened yet.

So There have been some tax reform proposals to eliminate the exclusion for employer-provided health insurance, but they have not been enacted as of yet.


And yet Obama care is off and crawling. Shouldn't these positions have already been clarified before it was allegedly put into place?
 
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So There have been some tax reform proposals to eliminate the exclusion for employer-provided health insurance, but they have not been enacted as of yet.


And yet Obama care is off and crawling. Shouldn't these positions have already been clarified before it was allegedly put into place?

No...
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

So There have been some tax reform proposals to eliminate the exclusion for employer-provided health insurance, but they have not been enacted as of yet.


And yet Obama care is off and crawling. Shouldn't these positions have already been clarified before it was allegedly put into place?

Yes, there have been proposals. There have also been proposals to do lots of things that never gain any traction as well.

They are clarified, however, lawmakers can choose what they want to try and implement ANY time. If Obamacare is a total flop, they still can state proposals for this to happen.

The point being is that it isn't in effect, nor have there been any proposals that have gained traction.
 
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According to the link I posted, there were proposals. But like any proposals if they don't gain traction, they are really nothing. I remember the GOP had a proposal (i.e. one person) to impeach Obama. It never gained any traction, but it was a proposal.
 
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I'm sorry that you can't remember from page to page, from day to day, what you posted. What is really sad is that even when your own words are presently presented, you still deny your own words.

I hope things get better for you.

Good luck.

And I hope things get better for you in the putting the words together department. Good luck.
 
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That's going to leave a mark on gimmesometruth

I don't know why you would say it's going to leave a mark on gimmesometruth, and then like his post. That doesn't make sense.
 
Re: Insurers reportedly receiving faulty data from ObamaCare exchanges [W:143]

Yes, there have been proposals. There have also been proposals to do lots of things that never gain any traction as well.

They are clarified, however, lawmakers can choose what they want to try and implement ANY time. If Obamacare is a total flop, they still can state proposals for this to happen.

The point being is that it isn't in effect, nor have there been any proposals that have gained traction.

Another point is that it is a work in progress where no one is sure what is happening. Some buy into it because philosophically they like the idea of a government running the economy. Others have to be assured that what they are forced to buy is actually a good deal for them and their families.

It doesn't seem to me that this legislation should proceed, as it began, as an article of faith.
 
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It doesn't seem to me that this legislation should proceed, as it began, as an article of faith.

In that I agree. There have been too many issues, too many questions, and the fact that parts of it are delayed for some, but not others is proof it's not ready. Also, I don't think congress or the president should be able to make laws that only apply to others and not them (or whom they deem exempt) when it's supposed to be for everyone.
 
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