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Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede[W:236]

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americanwoman said:
I can assure you it's a regular occurance. I will say it was much more common when they were actual "stamps" but still with the ebt card, it happens frequently. I know people who do it and I have been approached numerous times to do it. Some people would rather have cash than food, especially when they know they can get free food at a shelter, numerous food banks ( which will provide a week or two of groceries), or even some churches if they are hungry. They know the game and it's not hard to play or find people who want to buy $100 worth of groceries for $50.
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I also think you and I do agree that, though some people do exploit and abuse the system, there are others that actually need it.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
So you can't refute his facts so you impune his motives. I can't say that those aren't his motives, but the key point on THIS thread is that he didn't bring up race, YOU did. You also didn't challenge him directly, you coyly asked it as an indirect question.

People who aspire to a color blind world are constantly dragged back by the likes of you who relish the opportunity to bring up the subject. On this thread, shame on you. If I do see that from the OP on another thread, then on that thread it will be shame on them.
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We do NOT live in a color blind society. To pretend that we do is simply a lie. Aspiring to achievethat worthy goal is a good thing. But in no way shpae or from changes how people today use issues to attempt to advance their own political agenda.
 
Fenton said:
Yep, I have to agree.

And as far as the EBT card holders that took advantage of this glitch, they should have their EBT docked until they've paid back what they've stolen.
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So if you agree Walmart is also at fault, then why should the EBTers be the only ones docked till its paid back?
 
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haymarket said:
We do NOT live in a color blind society. To pretend that we do is simply a lie. Aspiring to achievethat worthy goal is a good thing. But in no way shpae or from changes how people today use issues to attempt to advance their own political agenda.
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Can you point me to where I said that we do live in a color blind society?

Everyone uses issues to advance their own political agenda, are you equating race with politics? Again, you were the only one who brought up race I see no justification for you doing so on this thread.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Can you point me to where I said that we do live in a color blind society?

Everyone uses issues to advance their own political agenda, are you equating race with politics? Again, you were the only one who brought up race I see no justification for you doing so on this thread.
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Your inability to comprehend what you read isn't haymarket's responsibility. Some people can only read the literal meaning of things, perhaps you suffer this disability. Again, not an issue haymarket can likely help you with if you haven't comprehended the riot and other racial codespeak in this thread.
 
Fenton said:
Yep, I have to agree.

And as far as the EBT card holders that took advantage of this glitch, they should have their EBT docked until they've paid back what they've stolen.
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Yeah, the attempts here to excuse and totally blame one side are so transparent along political lines it's hilarious. But the problem I have with your suggestion is that it simply isn't a problem for the US govt. let walmart deal with the headache in civil court. They're the one's who thought they were getting a nice payday by knowingly allowing these people to take the stuff without the funds being covered.


The govt should simply stop assistance to these people due to their transparent attempt to defraud the system, or file criminal charges for fraud
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Can you point me to where I said that we do live in a color blind society?

Everyone uses issues to advance their own political agenda, are you equating race with politics? Again, you were the only one who brought up race I see no justification for you doing so on this thread.
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Never said you did. What I said was that we DO NOT live in a color blind society and so we should not pretend that we do.
 
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haymarket said:
Never said you did. What I said was that we DO NOT live in a color blind society and so we should not pretend that we do.
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I think the idea that photos shouldn't be used because the people committing the acts in question appear predominately black in them is the dumbest ideas I've heard in a long time. Will some people use such to perpetuate their ill informed, preconceived notions? Sure, but that would likely be the case, anyway.

racists tend not to need much to justify their racism
 
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haymarket said:
We do NOT live in a color blind society. To pretend that we do is simply a lie. Aspiring to achievethat worthy goal is a good thing. But in no way shpae or from changes how people today use issues to attempt to advance their own political agenda.
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I don't pretend that we do. I sure wish we did. I really hate the race baiters and others who always blame whites. If people would just stop using race as an excuse.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Nonsense.

Please explain for everyone how WalMart accesses the available balance on these cards for each customer who enters their stores and presents the card for payment.

Please tell us the reaction of liberals if WalMart had refused to accept EBT cards from poor Americans.

As I said previously, the only people who had direct knowledge of their available balance and knew beyond any doubt that they were cheating and stealing were the people who chose to use the cards fraudulently, knowing well that they were cheating the system and stealing.

Nobody, no company, forces the immoral and dishonest to be criminal - they choose that path themselves, regardless of how many bleeding heart apologists on the left wish to excuse their immorality and dishonesty.
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You are wrong. WalMart knew that the EBT cards were showing unlimited balances, something that should never show up, which is why the manager of the store called corporate. Otherwise, there would have been no need to call corporate.

Here is what Xerox said about it in that earlier link giving more information (they are blaming WalMart too).

"He said emergency procedures in place with Xerox allow retailers to call a phone number and receive authorization for purchases any time the EBT system is down. "Some retailers chose not to follow the process," he said. "Those businesses are only being reimbursed for the (maximum) amounts on individual cards," he said."

Wal-Mart, Xerox blame each other for food stamps spree

These two WalMart stores (since they are the only ones still being reported as having allowed this to happen) could have done what every other store that we know of in the country (including all those near me) did, either deny use of EBT cards or allow a purchase limit from EBT for only a set amount, around $50. That is plenty enough to find out how long it would take to fix the problem.
 
Summerwind said:
So if you agree Walmart is also at fault, then why should the EBTers be the only ones docked till its paid back?
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Walmart should have set a per transaction limit. Still, it boils down to individual responsibility. I'll bet that at least half the adults who rely on SNAP and other programs are their because they lack being a responsible citizen.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Walmart should have set a per transaction limit. Still, it boils down to individual responsibility. I'll bet that at least half the adults who rely on SNAP and other programs are their because they lack being a responsible citizen.
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Well thank you for so clearly explaining who you are. Bless your heart.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
I don't pretend that we do. I sure wish we did. I really hate the race baiters and others who always blame whites. If people would just stop using race as an excuse.
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Or as a source of blame.
 
Summerwind said:
Well thank you for so clearly explaining who you are. Bless your heart.
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I guess it boils down to what our individual opinion of responsibility is. I will admit, my standards are higher than average.

I'm not sure what you mean by "explaining who you are," but that's probably best left for a different thread topic. I know you didn't mean it in a kind way.
 
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haymarket said:
Or as a source of blame.
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I'm all for blaming the source. I believe in problem solving at the root level rather than putting a bandage on the symptoms.
 
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Summerwind said:
Your inability to comprehend what you read isn't haymarket's responsibility. Some people can only read the literal meaning of things, perhaps you suffer this disability. Again, not an issue haymarket can likely help you with if you haven't comprehended the riot and other racial codespeak in this thread.
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If you choose to be his surrogate on the issue, I don't really care. He brought up race on this thread because he saw race as the central issue. He got that from his own disfunction on the issue not from the post topic which is a reference to people in EBT. He presented no facts on who receives EBT and a picture of people involved in this confusion.

If you and he only see codes, you will likely have difficulty looking at any discussion with out attempting to decode everything to your own idiom.

Shame on you too.
 
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haymarket said:
Never said you did. What I said was that we DO NOT live in a color blind society and so we should not pretend that we do.
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No one is pretending. You brought up race to the topic and that is shame to you.
 
Re: Food stamp glitch leads to Wal-Mart stampede

roguenuke said:
You are wrong. WalMart knew that the EBT cards were showing unlimited balances, something that should never show up, which is why the manager of the store called corporate. Otherwise, there would have been no need to call corporate.

Here is what Xerox said about it in that earlier link giving more information (they are blaming WalMart too).

"He said emergency procedures in place with Xerox allow retailers to call a phone number and receive authorization for purchases any time the EBT system is down. "Some retailers chose not to follow the process," he said. "Those businesses are only being reimbursed for the (maximum) amounts on individual cards," he said."

Wal-Mart, Xerox blame each other for food stamps spree

These two WalMart stores (since they are the only ones still being reported as having allowed this to happen) could have done what every other store that we know of in the country (including all those near me) did, either deny use of EBT cards or allow a purchase limit from EBT for only a set amount, around $50. That is plenty enough to find out how long it would take to fix the problem.
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Ah yes, let's cheer the apologists for incompetence at XEROX and the criminality of the EBT card holders. Poor babies, big bad WalMart made them steal.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Ah yes, let's cheer the apologists for incompetence at XEROX and the criminality of the EBT card holders. Poor babies, big bad WalMart made them steal.
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how is that different than you making walmart the hapless victim?
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
how is that different than you making walmart the hapless victim?
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Did I ever say WalMart was a victim, hapless or otherwise?

No - but I did dispute your contention that WalMart was a co-conspirator in defrauding the federal government.

There is a difference.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Did I ever say WalMart was a victim, hapless or otherwise?
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Yes, you have been casting them as helpless to deal with the situation and blameless, despite knowing the system was fouled, since you joined this discussion

No - but I did dispute your contention that WalMart was a co-conspirator in defrauding the federal government.
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That to, and based on the laughable metric they were too good natured to do so, despite it being as perceived benefit
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, you have been casting them as helpless to deal with the situation and blameless, despite knowing the system was fouled, since you joined this discussion



That to, and based on the laughable metric they were too good natured to do so, despite it being as perceived benefit
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Go ahead, I'll wait, ready to apologize, while you post up a comment of mine where I said Walmart was a hapless victim. Tic-Toc, Tic-Toc.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Go ahead, I'll wait, ready to apologize, while you post up a comment of mine where I said Walmart was a hapless victim. Tic-Toc, Tic-Toc.
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here's one:

CanadaJohn said:
Please tell us the reaction of liberals if WalMart had refused to accept EBT cards from poor Americans..
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also:

CanadaJohn said:
Please explain for everyone how WalMart accesses the available balance on these cards for each customer who enters their stores and presents the card for payment.
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it shows up in checkout and they can even verify the balance on request for EBT card holders
 
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Summerwind said:
I would not have, but I do have some understanding for those that did. I imagine for some it may have been quite cathartic. After having boots upon your throat literally and figuratively, financially for sure, educationally probably, and Walmart being the corporate store so to speak, I get it. I wouldn't do it, but there's more at play there I think than greed.
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Yes, I understand too. People abusing a situation that is at hand. The same pathetic mentality as a grade school bully. People who cut in line. People who are self centered, and lack respect for others.

In other words... Losers.
 
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