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Cruz, Palin join protesters at WWII Memorial[W:793:1010:1190]

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j-mac said:
Because we don't do things like Banana Republic's here in America...Not yet anyway, stay tuned, Obama has 3 more years.
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Conservatives need to grow a sack and do what's right! Liberals are hell bent on destroying America. What are you going to do to stop them?
 
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j-mac said:
I am actually holding out hope that it doesn't come to that....I think there is a chance to avoid that with 2014, provided we can take back the Senate, and keep the House, and neuter the wanna be dictator in the WH.
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Half-measures ain't going to cut it. It's time to man up!
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
LOL. That is either a flat out lie or you are very uninformed. They had been "attacking" our military since the end of the ceasefire. Clinton didn't care because he "loathed" our military.
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Really? Iraq had been attacking our military since the end of the ceasefire? Or do you mean since Operations Northern and Southern Watch were implemented? Now, if you are going to include any occurrence where the Iraqis locked radar on our planes enforcing the no-fly zones, then you are reaching really really really really really really really far for justification. My son spent every other 4-months at PSAB on Operation Southern Watch from 1997 until we invaded Iraq. They were more worried about SAM's being fired at them taking off and landing in Saudi than they were flying over Iraq. In fact, our Air Force looked at Iraq like it was a joke. "Go ahead Iraq, lock your radar on us, find out what happens next."

Oh yeah, I would like to ask one last thing; what with the no-fly zones, satellite coverage, and the fact we destroyed his military the first time around, how did Iraq become so friggin dangerous after the first go round in the desert? Now, I am not saying the leases expiring on our Air Bases in Saudi had anything to do with our invading Iraq . . . but we have an even bigger footprint in the region now . . . it could be a coincidence, I don't know.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
yes, liberals (leftists nowadays) are horrible people. And being what they are (socialists, communists, statists) they have a long track record of doing what you described to millions of people.
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Thorgasm said:
So why do you keep letting them get away with it? History has shown that half-measures don't work. It's time to get serious!
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Yes. You two should go all out and just straight up arrest the Leftists. Just like how the National Socialists arrested all German Communists/Leftists deputies under the Reichstag Fire Decree, and sent them to concentration camps before finishing up by cleaning out the SPD and all other social democrats.
 
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brothern said:
Yes. You two should go all out and just straight up arrest the Leftists. Just like how the National Socialists arrested all German Communists/Leftists deputies under the Reichstag Fire Decree, and sent them to concentration camps before finishing up by cleaning out the SPD and all other social democrats.
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This guy gets it.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Half-measures ain't going to cut it. It's time to man up!
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*Sigh* Not going to take your baiting Thorgasm....This is so obviously what the left wants, something they could point to and cement their false claims of extremism....Maybe you should discuss, instead of trying weakly to play provocateur....
 
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year2late said:
No utopia implied.

Negotiating is not threatening someone with collapse of the economy if they do not comply.
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Collapsing the economy is the doom and gloom scenario always claimed by liberals when they want something and don't get it. You have no idea what you are talking about. There was more than enough money to pay the obligations required by law coming into the Treasury each month. Obama and the liberal cohorts in D.C. have done a good job brainwashing people like you. Please name for me one, just one economic prediction Obama has made since being in office that has been correct? Think about it.
 
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Conservative said:
Then post the economic results that show that? Your opinion is noted but it does seem that you think only with your heart thus you want to believe what you are told. Obama has almost added more debt than Reagan, GHW Bush, and GW Bush combine, has terrible economic growth, job creation but he is doing exactly what he wants, converting this country into that European socialist Utopia that you and other liberals want, single payer, govt. spending the number one component of GDP, massive dependence on the govt., massive debt, stagnant economic growth, yes the new liberal normal
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Obama has acted as a plague on the country, however, Romney would have not been much better as evidenced by the fact that their campaigns were virtually identical.

Thorgasm said:
It's still better.
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Conservative raises a similar point than I would have said...

Conservative said:
For whom? You believe it is better to be dependent on the taxpayers than generating your own personal wealth?
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Thorgasm said:
I don't mind giving something back to society. Do you?
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This needs to be quantified... Nobody of even modest means should mind giving some back to help society overall.

How much should be given back? 50% 60% or should we do like France did and make some people pay 105%?

+more back and forth

Watching this back and forth between a strong liberal mind and a strong conservative mind... I can't help but lean towards the conservative viewpoint because the conservative viewpoint does more to promote personal responsibility...

That doesn't mean that I don't feel that there should be some form of safety net to help those that need a hand... The problem comes from the fact that many of the people, begin to lean on these programs instead of doing what is needed to improve their situation...

The thing with free money is that it breeds dependence and the more dependence eventually those with responsibility cannot give enough to sustain those whose only problem is laziness.

Now, conservative, how can you STILL support Iraq war? I can understand the logic for Afghanistan, even though I disagree with it, but the entire basis for war with Iraq was lies... Seems to me, should be able to accept that war with Iraq was wrong?
 
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Conservative said:
Collapsing the economy is the doom and gloom scenario always claimed by liberals when they want something and don't get it. You have no idea what you are talking about. There was more than enough money to pay the obligations required by law coming into the Treasury each month. Obama and the liberal cohorts in D.C. have done a good job brainwashing people like you. Please name for me one, just one economic prediction Obama has made since being in office that has been correct? Think about it.
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You take national debt defaulting less seriously than I do.
 
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j-mac said:
There would have been no default.
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Well, in real life when you do not pay your bills, there are consequences.

And yeah, there would have been no default, because even many of the Republicans realized that the damage that would have been caused would have been irreparable. Luckily, their stunt only cost 24 billion.

And yes, I said stunt. Coming to a negotiation with a threat of "do what we want or we will shut down the government and assure all of our loans (etc)are not paid is a threat.
 
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year2late said:
You take national debt defaulting less seriously than I do.
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Please explain how with over 200 billion coming in each and every month of the year that we would default on the 20 billion debt service? You buy what the media and leftwing nuts tell you and don't pay any attention to the facts. Debt service is 250 billion a year or 20 billion a month.
 
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year2late said:
Well, in real life when you do not pay your bills, there are consequences.
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The country takes in something like $260 billion in tax revenue every month, and the service on the debt is $25 billion per month give or take a couple billion....Now you tell me, unless there was an active decision by the President to actively NOT pay the debt service, why there would be a default....

But since you want to equate this to what they call "kitchen table" budgeting, let's go with that....I don't know about you, but I don't sit around my kitchen table with the wife, and say 'well honey, we are maxed out on our credit cards, and we need to spend more that we can't pay back now, so let's get that increase in limit'....And when she says hell no! I simply call her a "hostage taker", and "domestic abuser" and shame her into digging deeper into debt that we already can't pay back eh? That's your solution? Really?

That is called "Bankruptcy"!!!!!
 
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I don't get it, and I mean this sincerely, if we bring in $260-billion every month in tax revenue, and pay $25-Billion in juice each month, wouldn't that mean that if we only pay the juice on the debt, we would have only$2.82 Trillion dollars to spend each year? I am no mathematician, but I think that is right. A trillion is equal to a 1000 billion right?

So, if I am right, that means if we only pay the minimum on the credit card, we would end up around $1-Trillion short in revenue to pay our bills without a raise in the debt ceiling. And this would not lead to default how? I mean within a few months we could be is some deep shirt, or am I wrong? Again, I am pretty much a moron, so can someone explain to me how this would help our country, our economy, and the world?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
So you know more than Lew?

http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/documents/082613 debt limit letter to congress.pdf
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Yes, apparently I do, because the power rests with Congress and the law making ability. The House sent the Senate spending bills to meet our obligations, the Senate wanted the shutdown because they knew people like you would blame the Republicans. Lew is an employee of Obama's and I don't trust Obama employees. Please name for me just one economic prediction made by Obama that has been accurate? Or better yet post some more Maddow video showing socialist programs as successes generated by Obama in his first term with a Democrat Congress? Seems all that supposedly "free" stuff really excites liberals like you, a paid operative of the Obama Administration
 
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brothern said:
Yes. You two should go all out and just straight up arrest the Leftists. Just like how the National Socialists arrested all German Communists/Leftists deputies under the Reichstag Fire Decree, and sent them to concentration camps before finishing up by cleaning out the SPD and all other social democrats.
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No thanks, I'll pass. If I did what you propose, I'd be a leftist.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
I don't get it, and I mean this sincerely, if we bring in $260-billion every month in tax revenue, and pay $25-Billion in juice each month, wouldn't that mean that if we only pay the juice on the debt, we would have only$2.82 Trillion dollars to spend each year? I am no mathematician, but I think that is right. A trillion is equal to a 1000 billion right?

So, if I am right, that means if we only pay the minimum on the credit card, we would end up around $1-Trillion short in revenue to pay our bills without a raise in the debt ceiling. And this would not lead to default how? I mean within a few months we could be is some deep shirt, or am I wrong? Again, I am pretty much a moron, so can someone explain to me how this would help our country, our economy, and the world?
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It would mean that we would have to prioritize our outlay's, and cut much of the fat out there that is causing the "need" to borrow to pay for these programs that are sending us bankrupt.
 
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j-mac said:
It would mean that we would have to prioritize our outlay's, and cut much of the fat out there that is causing the "need" to borrow to pay for these programs that are sending us bankrupt.
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I agree 100% we should cut a LOT of fat out of government expenditures. It is out of hand and off the hook.

But what I find puzzling is that some prefer to take the food out of babies mouths, cut education and/or infrastructure before we cut-off aid to foreign countries that aren't worth pissing on or closing tax loopholes (or outright hard-cash subsidies,) to some of the most profitable industries in the country.

I think we all agree that the spending needs to be cut. It's WHERE we cut that has the people divided.
 
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Captain America said:
I agree 100% we should cut a LOT of fat out of government expenditures. It is out of hand and off the hook.

But what I find puzzling is that some prefer to take the food out of babies mouths, cut education and/or infrastructure before we cut-off aid to foreign countries that aren't worth pissing on or closing tax loopholes (or outright hard-cash subsidies,) to some of the most profitable industries in the country.

I think we all agree that the spending needs to be cut. It's WHERE we cut that has the people divided.
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No, you shouldn't cut a lot of fat. Americans have been led down the garden path into believing what the very wealthy want them to believe. It's time for a new way of thinking:

America has the second worst income inequality in the world, only behind Mexico. Once you are able to know and understand that you all should be able to start considering reality. And the reality is, the very wealthy have stolen the piece of the pie that should belong to the people. America also has the highest per capita average incomes in the world. So what's wrong with the picture?

Clearly the first hurdle to get over is upping taxation on the wealthy. That's how the wellbieing of the poor and middle class is going to be elevated.

This calls for a new form of capitalism, something similar to Canada's. It's called socially responsible capitalism and it needs to replace America's form of capitalism that is being promoted by the very wealthy in order to feather their beds at the expense of the rest of the people.
 
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j-mac said:
It would mean that we would have to prioritize our outlay's, and cut much of the fat out there that is causing the "need" to borrow to pay for these programs that are sending us bankrupt.
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Yes, and not paying $83.33 Billion a month over 12-months would not bankrupt us. There is still $1-Trillion in bills to pay. They can't even get together for $1.3-Trillion in spending cuts over 10-years, and you think we can handle that kind of cut in one year with no consequence. Like I said, I'm pretty much a moron, please explain how this would help our finances as a nation.
 
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Captain America said:
I agree 100% we should cut a LOT of fat out of government expenditures. It is out of hand and off the hook.

But what I find puzzling is that some prefer to take the food out of babies mouths, cut education and/or infrastructure before we cut-off aid to foreign countries that aren't worth pissing on or closing tax loopholes (or outright hard-cash subsidies,) to some of the most profitable industries in the country.

I think we all agree that the spending needs to be cut. It's WHERE we cut that has the people divided.
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The first place to cut is all social programs not entitlements be returned to the state and local communities and not funded out of the Federal Treasury. Those programs are bloated, full of waste, fraud, and abuse and nothing more than a slush fund for federal bureaucrats. All Foreign aid should be fully scrutinized and cut off to countries that aren't friendly to this country. All entitlement programs, SS, Medicare, and Medicaid be removed from the budget and put back where the belong in Intergovt. holdings and not used as part of the unified budget which should be eliminated. All Excise taxes should go into that lockbox for infrastructure and then let the people decide on the other items that are left as to what should be funded.
 
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Do Americans really want to support baggers who would try to make it out that Obama is using the military against them by being forced to shut down this monument?

Do Americans really want ignorant baggers such as Palin to push her ridiculous hate agenda on them?

Are Americans really that stupid and propagandized with extremist politics?
 
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Michael66 said:
Do Americans really want to support baggers who would try to make it out that Obama is using the military against them by being forced to shut down this monument?

Do Americans really want ignorant baggers such as Palin to push her ridiculous hate agenda on them?

Are Americans really that stupid and propagandized with extremist politics?
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It does appear that there are many stupid enough to believe what you are posting here, we see it every day
 
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