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upsideguy said:
I never thought of Palin as stupid. I do think she is a reasonably intelligent women. That said, she appears intellectually lazy, which makes her ignorant. Either way, she achieved her Peter Principle (for those that know that reference) as head park ranger of the Alaska National Wildlife Preserve (which is formally know as the State of Alaska).
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There is evidence to show that she is stupid. For instance, the wearing of long scarves to fake her pregnancy with the D.S child. Only politics saved her from being exposed for the fakery because it was too risky to expose by the Democrats and there were other ways of accomplishing her defeat.

The evidence is abundant, complete with pictures of her at 7 months pregnant and appearing flat as a board. For a politician I would call that stupid. And it's in her closet to come out and haunt her at any time in the future if she ever tried to make it in politics again. She won't, she's only intent on playing the buffoon now. She's made herself totally unacceptable as a political leader by resorting to extremist remarks which she would never be capable of standing by in a debate.
 
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j-mac said:
If I have you wrong Dave, you are saying that there is 83 billion plus that would go unpaid right? That leaves roughly 70% of the current budget that could be paid, right? So where is the threat of default? No where. Are you really proposing that a 3.8 trillion dollar budget per year doesn't have 30% waste in it?
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More like 33%, but that is neither here nor there . . . because even though there just may be that much waste . . . who determines where the cuts come from tomorrow? Not one person has said what we are going to cut this very instant to make this possible. This very instant . . . right now, come up with $83.33-Billion in cuts, a month, for the next few years. Again, let's say we do what you are calling for, tomorrow we don't support the following government entities ______________________________________ (Please fill in the blank).

Lastly, I don't think the majority of the Republicans in Washington have any idea how this could work either, since they signed off on the approximate $1.3-Trillion in spending cuts over the next 10-years. I can't imagine taking 33% out of my budget each month without pretty much guaranteeing bankruptcy. Do we need to cut spending? Absolutely, but taking the poison pill does nothing but kill.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
FFS, you completely, totally ignored the fact that Lew had been warning Congress that the Treasury was heading towards a state of cash shortage.

You did not read what you wrote, you did not read my response, you did not read the letter from Lew.
You just had a complete breakdown of how to operate on a forum.

Yesterday you claimed I was a paid Democratic operative. I think today you proved you are a piece of software.
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And you continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the fact that we collect over 200 billion a month and none of those so called obligations are even appropriated yet. You are indeed a democrat contract employee with so much passion for ignorance
 
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upsideguy said:
Palin was a governor of a state without people, but lots of salmon, bear, deer, moose and misquitos. She was pretty much a glorified park ranger.
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What was Obama governor of and what was his executive experience that led you to vote for him and what are his accomplishments which continue to generate that support?
 
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Conservative said:
And you continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the fact that we collect over 200 billion a month and none of those so called obligations are even appropriated yet. You are indeed a democrat contract employee with so much passion for ignorance
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Um, the revenues of the US are collected on some "average" stream.

Is this "information" coming from David Horowitz?
 
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Conservative said:
What was Obama governor of and what was his executive experience that led you to vote for him and what are his accomplishments which continue to generate that support?
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You are off topic
 
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Conservative said:
And you continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the fact that we collect over 200 billion a month and none of those so called obligations are even appropriated yet. You are indeed a democrat contract employee with so much passion for ignorance
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Really dude you should not talk about people buying in to rhetoric
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Um, the revenues of the US are collected on some "average" stream.

Is this "information" coming from David Horowitz?
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Your opinion noted, revenue is flowing into the Treasury every day. Better get different talking points.
 
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winston53660 said:
Really dude you should not talk about people buying in to rhetoric
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Yes, I know, bea.gov, bls.gov, and Treasury data isn't real but rather manipulated to show what you want it to show. Seems like it was good enough for Clinton but not so good now that Obama is in the WH. Wonder why?
 
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Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, revenue is flowing into the Treasury every day. Better get different talking points.
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Let me correct that: The revenues are NOT collected in some steady stream. Lew made that clear in the letter you did not read.
 
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Conservative said:
Yes, I know, bea.gov, bls.gov, and Treasury data isn't real but rather manipulated to show what you want it to show. Seems like it was good enough for Clinton but not so good now that Obama is in the WH. Wonder why?
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Someone is pretty hyped up today:lamo
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Let me correct that: The revenues are NOT collected in some steady stream. Lew made that clear in the letter you did not read.
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Neither is the debt service on the debt paid every day. There is more than enough money to fund the monthly debt service.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
More like 33%, but that is neither here nor there . . . because even though there just may be that much waste . . . who determines where the cuts come from tomorrow? Not one person has said what we are going to cut this very instant to make this possible. This very instant . . . right now, come up with $83.33-Billion in cuts, a month, for the next few years. Again, let's say we do what you are calling for, tomorrow we don't support the following government entities ______________________________________ (Please fill in the blank).
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I think you are maybe looking at it wrong...No one says that any single entire entity has to be eliminated for it to work. But, come on man, the reported number of furlough's for the shutdown were that some 800,000 non essential government employees were told to stay home, and that only shut down in essence 17% to 20% of government activities....It is things like this that make one wonder what else is being wasted?

Further, Connie Mack last year came up with what he calls "the Penny plan".... Have you heard of that?

1. A Plan that Works

The One Cent Solution is beautifully simple: If the government cuts one cent out of every dollar of its total spending (excluding interest payments) each year for five years, and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on, we can:

Reduce federal spending by $7.5 trillion over 10 years.
Balance the budget by 2019.
Moreover, instead of using inflated budget “baselines” to claim nonexistent spending “cuts” a common practice in Washington, the One Cent Solution calls for real cuts. Under the One Cent plan, the sum of all discretionary and entitlement spending will have to go down from one year to the next, by one percent or more.

2. Legislative Strategy

The One Percent Spending Reduction Act of 2011 embodies the principles of the One Cent Solution. Also known as the “Penny Plan” on Capitol Hill, this legislation was introduced by Congressman Connie Mack (R-FL) and Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) and is currently supported by 71 Members of the House and 13 Members of the Senate. Visit our current legislation page to view the list.

The “Penny Plan” legislation would cap overall spending to fit within the One Cent Solution targets. The legislation then calls on Congress to evaluate all areas of the federal government to make certain that future spending fits under the caps.

Under the One Cent Solution or “Penny Plan”, not all programs must be cut by one percent. Congress may determine that some programs are too critical to cut, but that would require that other programs be reduced more so that the total amount cut is equal to one cent for every dollar each year for six years.

For example, let’s say the federal budget only had three programs, each with an annual budget of $1.00. How might Congress meet the One Cent mandate?

Congress cuts Program A by one cent every year for six years. That means the annual budget for Program A is $0.99 in year one and then $0.98, $0.97, $0.96, $0.95 and finally $0.94.
Program B is found to be essential and efficient — Congress chooses not to cut Program B.
Program C is outdated and needs to be restructured — Congress cuts two cents each year for six years from Program C.
In this example, Congress is able to make program-by-program decisions to bring spending within the One Cent Solution caps. If Congress fails to make those tough decisions, then automatic, across-the-board cuts would be imposed to make sure the caps were enforced. The One Cent Solution is a “belt and suspenders” approach to making certain spending is brought under control and the budget is balanced.

3. Public Support

The One Cent Solution provides Americans with a clear path from massive deficits to a balanced budget. Every family in America can reduce its overall spending by one percent per year, and they know the federal government can too. Do that for six years in a row and the federal budget is balanced.

The One Cent Solution/
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Lastly, I don't think the majority of the Republicans in Washington have any idea how this could work either, since they signed off on the approximate $1.3-Trillion in spending cuts over the next 10-years. I can't imagine taking 33% out of my budget each month without pretty much guaranteeing bankruptcy. Do we need to cut spending? Absolutely, but taking the poison pill does nothing but kill.
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Yeah, I don't think we need "poison pills" either. However, I will take exception to the offer that having congress have to go under Obamacare, or that delaying the mandate for 6 months, or a year was any poison pill...It is called fairness.
 
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Deuce said:
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Unless you think every person who criticizes Obama is automatically racist. I sure don't think that, but you seem to.
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No, but the nastiness directed at Palin and Bachmann comes from a darker place than mere policy differences.:peace
 
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j-mac said:
I think you are maybe looking at it wrong...No one says that any single entire entity has to be eliminated for it to work. But, come on man, the reported number of furlough's for the shutdown were that some 800,000 non essential government employees were told to stay home, and that only shut down in essence 17% to 20% of government activities....It is things like this that make one wonder what else is being wasted?

Further, Connie Mack last year came up with what he calls "the Penny plan".... Have you heard of that?





Yeah, I don't think we need "poison pills" either. However, I will take exception to the offer that having congress have to go under Obamacare, or that delaying the mandate for 6 months, or a year was any poison pill...It is called fairness.
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Never heard of any of it, but I went and read the entire page. I also pulled out my trusty calculator. And to tell you how ridiculous this proposal is, I am going to give up the one cent on every dollar thing right off the top. In fact, I'll take that progressive one cent reduction across the board for every year, until we are paying $0.94 for every dollar of revenue. The difference goes to pay on the debt. However, that is not what the "One Cent Solution" is all about . . . from THEIR website:

The One Cent Solution is beautifully simple: If the government cuts one cent out of every dollar of its total spending (excluding interest payments) each year for five years, and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on:
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Here I go again with that damn calculator. So here's what I did. I took your revenue numbers of $260-Billion a month. That means we take in approximately $3.12 Trillion a year. The One Cent Solution wants to cap Federal Spending at 18% of national income. Of course they are willing to exclude interest payments. Using your number, we pay $ 25-Billion a month on the juice . . .equalling $300-Billion a year. Lets not exclude that $300-Billion . . . lets keep it in the equation. Using the math proposed in the the One Cent Solution . . . our country is suppose to operate on 18% of $3.12-Trillion . . . unless of course, "and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on" doesn't mean what it means. Well, that really means we have $561.6-Billion to operate on until the year 2019.

So, we are gonna go from approximately $3.8-Trillion down to $561.6-Billion a year. Earlier you wanted to cap spending at 67-70%, you are now suggesting we have 82% of waste, fraud, and abuse. Unless of course the numbers you gave me are wrong.
 
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iacardsfan said:
Cruz and Palin are honestly pathetic. I applaud the veterans on the other hand. 80+ years old and still fighting for their country against those who are trying to ruin it; their politicians. Hats off to them. I only wish the people would realize how corrupt the government is and make a true change, not an Obama "change"
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It's so far beyond that - the Fedreal government and union and State employees are ALL communist, the have the same agenda - they Just don't have an army backed by Lenin type leader - to further progress an agenda - unless you want to call that news Lenin Barack Obama....

They'll just implement their socialist stratageies via legislation....

It doen't take a gun to win a war it takes legislation....

This federal government, and even some local government rule as the see fit witout regard for the United States constitution or more specifically the Bill of Rights...

I suppose these crazies every right to share their points of view, however their support for violations for the 1st, 2nd. 4th and 10th amendments if you allow history unless one of those amendment legitimizes their ignorant social justice gatherings and protests.
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Never heard of any of it, but I went and read the entire page. I also pulled out my trusty calculator. And to tell you how ridiculous this proposal is, I am going to give up the one cent on every dollar thing right off the top. In fact, I'll take that progressive one cent reduction across the board for every year, until we are paying $0.94 for every dollar of revenue. The difference goes to pay on the debt. However, that is not what the "One Cent Solution" is all about . . . from THEIR website:



Here I go again with that damn calculator. So here's what I did. I took your revenue numbers of $260-Billion a month. That means we take in approximately $3.12 Trillion a year. The One Cent Solution wants to cap Federal Spending at 18% of national income. Of course they are willing to exclude interest payments. Using your number, we pay $ 25-Billion a month on the juice . . .equalling $300-Billion a year. Lets not exclude that $300-Billion . . . lets keep it in the equation. Using the math proposed in the the One Cent Solution . . . our country is suppose to operate on 18% of $3.12-Trillion . . . unless of course, "and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on" doesn't mean what it means. Well, that really means we have $561.6-Billion to operate on until the year 2019.

So, we are gonna go from approximately $3.8-Trillion down to $561.6-Billion a year. Earlier you wanted to cap spending at 67-70%, you are now suggesting we have 82% of waste, fraud, and abuse. Unless of course the numbers you gave me are wrong.
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The numbers I put out there are what has been bandied about on different programs in discussions, from FNC, to MSNBC. But I think maybe you are misreading the "national income" part of it....The way this idea has been talked about before in interviews, is that our current levels of spending would cap, and we would start real cuts of 1% of every dollar spent for 6 years, and this is supposed to balance the budget.
 
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Jack Hays said:
No, but the nastiness directed at Palin and Bachmann comes from a darker place than mere policy differences.:peace
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Same with the criticism of Obama, then. :peace
 
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DiavoTheMiavo said:
Never heard of any of it, but I went and read the entire page. I also pulled out my trusty calculator. And to tell you how ridiculous this proposal is, I am going to give up the one cent on every dollar thing right off the top. In fact, I'll take that progressive one cent reduction across the board for every year, until we are paying $0.94 for every dollar of revenue. The difference goes to pay on the debt. However, that is not what the "One Cent Solution" is all about . . . from THEIR website:



Here I go again with that damn calculator. So here's what I did. I took your revenue numbers of $260-Billion a month. That means we take in approximately $3.12 Trillion a year. The One Cent Solution wants to cap Federal Spending at 18% of national income. Of course they are willing to exclude interest payments. Using your number, we pay $ 25-Billion a month on the juice . . .equalling $300-Billion a year. Lets not exclude that $300-Billion . . . lets keep it in the equation. Using the math proposed in the the One Cent Solution . . . our country is suppose to operate on 18% of $3.12-Trillion . . . unless of course, "and then caps overall federal spending at 18 percent of national income from then on" doesn't mean what it means. Well, that really means we have $561.6-Billion to operate on until the year 2019.

So, we are gonna go from approximately $3.8-Trillion down to $561.6-Billion a year. Earlier you wanted to cap spending at 67-70%, you are now suggesting we have 82% of waste, fraud, and abuse. Unless of course the numbers you gave me are wrong.
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Are we sure it wasn't 18% of GDP or something?
 
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j-mac said:
*Sigh* Not going to take your baiting Thorgasm....This is so obviously what the left wants, something they could point to and cement their false claims of extremism....Maybe you should discuss, instead of trying weakly to play provocateur....
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The left is despicable. You are on to their plan and have so far been powerless to stop it. The left doesn't think you have the intestinal fortitude to stop them.

I'm not baiting you. I've heard you guys whine about Obama for years now. I am trying to help you stop being victims.
 
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Conservative said:
Neither is the debt service on the debt paid every day. There is more than enough money to fund the monthly debt service.
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Again, you did not read the letter and are claiming greater knowledge than the Secretary of the Treasury.

Tell us, how long did you hold office there?
 
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BmanMcfly said:
How much should be given back? 50% 60% or should we do like France did and make some people pay 105%?
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105%? Well played. :lol:

BmanMcfly said:
+more back and forth

Watching this back and forth between a strong liberal mind and a strong conservative mind... I can't help but lean towards the conservative viewpoint because the conservative viewpoint does more to promote personal responsibility...

That doesn't mean that I don't feel that there should be some form of safety net to help those that need a hand... The problem comes from the fact that many of the people, begin to lean on these programs instead of doing what is needed to improve their situation...

The thing with free money is that it breeds dependence and the more dependence eventually those with responsibility cannot give enough to sustain those whose only problem is laziness.
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People do abuse the system. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water though. The system is broke to a degree. Working a min wage job doesn't bring home enough bacon. Getting off welfare isn't always that easy.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Again, you did not read the letter and are claiming greater knowledge than the Secretary of the Treasury.

Tell us, how long did you hold office there?
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I am waiting for you to tell me the economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate? Now he keeps making predictions and you keep buying them. Hope you are getting paid well.
 
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Thorgasm said:
105%? Well played. :lol:
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I shirt you not....
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100749491


People do abuse the system. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water though.
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Frankly, I've benefitted from that safety net, made the difference from having to spend some homeless time.

The system is broke to a degree. Working a min wage job doesn't bring home enough bacon. Getting off welfare isn't always that easy.
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Yes, the system is broken... Let's use the analogy of domestication of wild pigs. What you do is put some food out for the pigs... Do this for a week, then put up a post near the food, continue this until the fence is all but built, then you put out the food and the pigs can't help themselves and you just close the gate.

Frankly, if you are stuck in minimum wage past 20, it's because you've made some bad life decisions.

I'll tell you something; I have yet to meet a single person that is a combination of hard working, dedicated, intelligent, and or driven people that makes minimum wage or remains unemployed for very long.

what this means is that the failures are not just with the welfare system, it really is total systemic failures on every front, and the abuse of the social safety net is just among the symptoms of the greater problems we are facing as a society.
 
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Conservative said:
I am waiting for you to tell me the economic prediction Obama has made that has been accurate? Now he keeps making predictions and you keep buying them. Hope you are getting paid well.
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Michael Moore pays me in cupcakes and waffles.
 
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