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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Hi Polgara!

So many people throughout the world have admired the freedoms and success of the American people while inexplicably not changing their own systems to something similar. The Constitution and Bill of Rights would suit every people, as has been shown, which makes it doubly amazing that Americans, who should know better, would want to change it,

Most of us don't. That's why we are having these heated disagreements about changing what has worked for hundreds of years, just to benefit a political agenda!.

Greetings, Grant. :2wave:
 
Who are you referring to?

A more interesting discussion might be about the $1T+ that is spent yearly on entitlements that do not include SS or Medicare...
 
I wonder what is going to happen to everyone's spirits in the coming years when we are all mired in the latest government program...Obamacare. Hope for the best, but the beginning sure isn't auspicious!

Greetings, AP. :2wave: Your new picture is interesting...is it Mexico?

Other countries are now offering lower taxes and greater economic freedoms than the US so many Americans, and Europeans, will go there. Central America, where I spend a lot of time, is popular but so are other places. Rich Americans Are Fleeing the Country

Thousands Leave U.S. Over Taxes---5 Rules If You're Tempted - Forbes

People go where they are appreciated.
 
Most of us don't. That's why we are having these heated disagreements about changing what has worked for hundreds of years, just to benefit a political agenda!.

Greetings, Grant. :2wave:

I believe that's true, Polgara, but many Americans seem to feel helpless at what's happening to their noble country.
 
Have you had many failed companies? Or have they all been successful?

That's a bit of a weird question, but I can answer with a more pertinent example: Nokia. Remember them? Everyone had their phones in the nineties and early 2000's. Their phones were super compact and user friendly and it looked like they'd be at the top forever. Then the first smart phones came out and Nokia did...nothing. They believed they would always have a strong position in the telecommunications industry. Now every company is making smart phones and Nokia is still struggling to get their Windows Phone into the market, which they're going to have a bitch of a time doing since they've entered the game a good seven years after everyone else. Samsung, however, looked at Apple and said, "I'll bet we could take the best parts of the iphone and do it better," which they did, and now their Galaxy is one of the leading smart phones on the market.

Copying what other people/countries/companies do well = good. It's historically how every civilization rose to power. Just ask the Romans. Man, just about everything they made famous they actually ripped off of the Greeks.
 
Other countries are now offering lower taxes and greater economic freedoms than the US so many Americans, and Europeans, will go there. Central America, where I spend a lot of time, is popular but so are other places. Rich Americans Are Fleeing the Country

Thousands Leave U.S. Over Taxes---5 Rules If You're Tempted - Forbes

People go where they are appreciated.

:agreed: So why the big push to have everyone dependent upon the government? Who is going to be left to pay all the bills when no one is working and paying taxes any more, because businesses have gone to more friendly places?
 
Who do you feel is most accurate?

PBS Newshour is good. Real good. Most of the mainstream plays it safe. Nothing too outrageous. Washington post and Times both are reasonable. None of the political entertainers are any good at all.
 
That's a bit of a weird question, but I can answer with a more pertinent example: Nokia. Remember them? Everyone had their phones in the nineties and early 2000's. Their phones were super compact and user friendly and it looked like they'd be at the top forever. Then the first smart phones came out and Nokia did...nothing. They believed they would always have a strong position in the telecommunications industry. Now every company is making smart phones and Nokia is still struggling to get their Windows Phone into the market, which they're going to have a bitch of a time doing since they've entered the game a good seven years after everyone else. Samsung, however, looked at Apple and said, "I'll bet we could take the best parts of the iphone and do it better," which they did, and now their Galaxy is one of the leading smart phones on the market.

Copying what other people/countries/companies do well = good. It's historically how every civilization rose to power. Just ask the Romans. Man, just about everything they made famous they actually ripped off of the Greeks.

I'll give you another one, from my backyard ... Kodak. Kodak dominated the film photography industry for decades. And when photography started moving to digital, they did -- you guessed it! -- nothing. They assumed that digital photography technology would move slowly, and that there would always be a significant consumer market for film.

Kodak just emerged from Ch. 11 bankruptcy with a new emphasis on printing and document imaging. Oh, and lighter by many thousands of employees than it bad 20-30 years ago.
 
Those numbers may be dwindling, and I believe it's a damned shame. Other countries should be emulating America, not America emulating failed socialist countries.

Just for curiosity's sake, what "failed socialist countries" is the U.S. emulating?
 
Should progressives get their way, absolutely.

Hardly. Wild eyed hyperbolic misrepresentation doesn't help your case. No one here is seeking to emulate Venezuela.
 
Hardly. Wild eyed hyperbolic misrepresentation doesn't help your case. No one here is seeking to emulate Venezuela.

Here? What do you mean by here? DP? Iowa? Your group of friends?

Remember, "emulate" is YOUR word.
 
Hardly. Wild eyed hyperbolic misrepresentation doesn't help your case. No one here is seeking to emulate Venezuela.

good to see you still have not a clue..wow
 
good to see you still have not a clue..wow

Oh I think Joe knows exactly what he attempts here. He's just delusional if he thinks for a second that rational people don't see right through his games.
 
Here? What do you mean by here? DP? Iowa? Your group of friends?

Remember, "emulate" is YOUR word.

The US. No one in the US is emulating them. And when asked for a failed form, we have to actually be emulating it, or it doesn't work as a comparison.
 
Oh I think Joe knows exactly what he attempts here. He's just delusional if he thinks for a second that rational people don't see right through his games.

More that some are either / or both lacking in understanding or honest enough to actually address the real issues.
 
The US. No one in the US is emulating them. And when asked for a failed form, we have to actually be emulating it, or it doesn't work as a comparison.

Well, the paths may not be at equal points, but under progressive governance we are certainly headed to the same miserable destination.
 
Well, the paths may not be at equal points, but under progressive governance we are certainly headed to the same miserable destination.

No, they are not. That's completely false. Let me give you a good read if you're up to it:

Democracy's Dual Dangers - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Yet there is nothing new about this outburst of disgust with the workings of democracy. Nor is it distinctively American. Europeans (with the possible exception of Germans) are just as disenchanted with their elected politicians. Lamenting the failings of democracy is a permanent feature of democratic life, one that persists through governmental crises and successes alike.

There is no decade from the past century when it is not possible to find an extended debate among commentators and intellectuals in the democratic West about the inadequacies of democratic politics. This is not true of only those decades when Western democracy was clearly on the ropes, like the 1930s, when it was menaced by fascism, or the 1970s, when it was threatened by inflation and oil shock. It's also true of the prosperous and relatively stable decades as well. In the 1920s, Walter Lippmann led the charge, arguing that democratic publics were far too ill-informed and inattentive to manage their own affairs. In the 1950s, academics worried about the banality and exhaustion of democratic life. Daniel Bell took a positive stance with his claims about the end of ideology, but for the most part democracy was treated as a cumbersome, careless system of government, in permanent danger of being outwitted by the Soviets.

Even the 1980s, which we now look back on as a time of emergent democratic triumphalism, were dominated by prophecies of doom. Consider the two best-selling academic books from the end of that decade. One, Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987), argued that the endemic triviality of mass democracy would destroy the minds of the young, leaving them unable to distinguish good from bad. (Bloom blamed, among other people, Mick Jagger.) The second, Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers (1988), foretold American decline as the demands of sustaining a global empire would overwhelm the capacity of the American people to put up with them.
 
I'll have to dig into it tomorrow, on the road now.
 
No, they are not. That's completely false. Let me give you a good read if you're up to it:

Democracy's Dual Dangers - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Yet there is nothing new about this outburst of disgust with the workings of democracy. Nor is it distinctively American. Europeans (with the possible exception of Germans) are just as disenchanted with their elected politicians. Lamenting the failings of democracy is a permanent feature of democratic life, one that persists through governmental crises and successes alike.

There is no decade from the past century when it is not possible to find an extended debate among commentators and intellectuals in the democratic West about the inadequacies of democratic politics. This is not true of only those decades when Western democracy was clearly on the ropes, like the 1930s, when it was menaced by fascism, or the 1970s, when it was threatened by inflation and oil shock. It's also true of the prosperous and relatively stable decades as well. In the 1920s, Walter Lippmann led the charge, arguing that democratic publics were far too ill-informed and inattentive to manage their own affairs. In the 1950s, academics worried about the banality and exhaustion of democratic life. Daniel Bell took a positive stance with his claims about the end of ideology, but for the most part democracy was treated as a cumbersome, careless system of government, in permanent danger of being outwitted by the Soviets.

Even the 1980s, which we now look back on as a time of emergent democratic triumphalism, were dominated by prophecies of doom. Consider the two best-selling academic books from the end of that decade. One, Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987), argued that the endemic triviality of mass democracy would destroy the minds of the young, leaving them unable to distinguish good from bad. (Bloom blamed, among other people, Mick Jagger.) The second, Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers (1988), foretold American decline as the demands of sustaining a global empire would overwhelm the capacity of the American people to put up with them.

Well, I read what he had to say, and I must say that there is nothing like being told that us dumb Americans don't have a clue in dry, drivel that pines for a totalitarian style of government....Believe me, I am not attacking the author personally, although that would be easy, because the overtly biased David Runciman has been taken to task before, here: Those crazy Republicans explained: a BBC bias masterclass - Biased BBC

In the end he is a liberal, political science degree holder, that sits on the border of advocating, and opining for the good ol' days of Soviet style communism...

To put it nicely, I don't think much of his opinion....
 
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