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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Why didn't Martin Bashir say the same thing about Dr. Carson that he did about Palin for bringing up the Word slavery?
 
Grant said:
None of that happened in America.
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So? It is only bad if it happens in the United States? I think the Holocaust is also one of the worst things ever in the Jewish community.

American civil war
Second world war (may not have happened in the US but it cost hundreds of thousands of American lives)
9/11
Vietnam war

all of the above are much much much much much worse than Obamacare can be or ever will be.
 
Greenbeard said:
Ah. Well since you fabricated a phrase and attributed it to me (using quotation marks, no less!) I'm at something of a loss.
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Oh, excuse me....You said "a" not 'some'.....Big difference....

Greenbeard said:
He spent his career at a hospital in Maryland...
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mikeafone said:
you clearly do not have an appreciation for the power of words ... trust me J, he expects something in return for those words ... you don't sell your soul and self-respect for nothing ... BTW, asked if he believed ACA was worse than Jim Crow, Carson said, "Yes, absolutely." Do you agree?
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Over arching centralized government control over one of the most important aspects to life, being Health Care? Absolutely.
 
j-mac said:
Over arching centralized government control over one of the most important aspects to life, being Health Care? Absolutely.
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you deserve each other then ... I'm more selective than you are J ... take care ...
 
mikeafone said:
you deserve each other then ... I'm more selective than you are J ... take care ...
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More selective? eh, maybe I don't know you, nor you me. But, what I do know is that when a government can control something like your health care decisions, then it can control you...Having other people control me is a definition of slavery, so in that respect, yes Dr. Carson is spot on.

But that isn't the only avenue that demo's have enslaved people with, the welfare state is another.
 
j-mac said:
More selective? eh, maybe I don't know you, nor you me. But, what I do know is that when a government can control something like your health care decisions, then it can control you...Having other people control me is a definition of slavery, so in that respect, yes Dr. Carson is spot on.

But that isn't the only avenue that demo's have enslaved people with, the welfare state is another.
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even accepting your false characterization of what ACA is, that's worse than some 4000 lynchings of black folks, segregation which meant inferior education, pay, housing, health care, basic human respect and dignity, etc.? You're starting to turn my stomach, so I'm not going to keep this up much longer ... get in your last few comments and I'll move on ... but thanks for the reminder that we still have a few young Bull Connors among us ... luckily you're in the minority among young people ... recommendation: There is a series on the Civil Rights Movement called "Eyes on the Prize" ... check it out, learn something ... and Carson was a beneficiary of that movement, so for him to trivialize Jim Crow in this way is especially repugnant ...
 
mikeafone said:
even accepting your false characterization of what ACA is,
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I am going to break this up a little because you need to know exactly what it is that you said which was not only liberal pap, but pure Bull ****. I falsely characterized nothing. For God's sake, wake up man.....

that's worse than some 4000 lynchings of black folks,
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And as gruesome and repugnant as that time was, rational people in the future will look back on this time and wonder how we let 400K, 4 million, 40 million be digitally lynched by an advisory board that denied treatment of our grand parents because the young generation of today doesn't respect their lives. Seems like the same mindset to me.

segregation which meant inferior education, pay, housing, health care, basic human respect and dignity, etc.?
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And that is exactly the course you liberals are going down that very path with your top down, centralized mindset...

You're starting to turn my stomach, so I'm not going to keep this up much longer ...
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Well, then maybe you're not cut out to go up against people that think differently than you...Just sayin' :peace

get in your last few comments and I'll move on ...
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You don't have to do that, unless you just can't handle it....

but thanks for the reminder that we still have a few young Bull Connors among us ...
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And there it is....Don't you progressive libs ever worry that you so overuse the 'racist' charge, that you take all the power out of it?

luckily you're in the minority among young people ...
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I'm not a young guy anymore...When I was, I was probably a little closer to your own mindset, but with age comes wisdom, the wisdom of living life, and seeing the damage that policies have wrought over time....But you'll get there too one day.

recommendation: There is a series on the Civil Rights Movement called "Eyes on the Prize" ... check it out, learn something ... and Carson was a beneficiary of that movement, so for him to trivialize Jim Crow in this way is especially repugnant ...
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Well, thanks for the suggestion, and maybe if I have time I'll look it up, but to tell me to "learn something" is especially insulting coming from a 20 something still looking for his own path in life, so you should maybe refrain from telling people you don't know, smugly to "learn something", it makes you look small. As for Dr. Carson, (maybe you forgot the Dr. before his name) he wasn't trivializing Jim Crow, or anything like it. In fact he was putting his finger on exactly what policies that seek to control peoples lives through central control do to the psyche of free men. You don't like it? Too bad. As far as I know we still have free speech in this country.

Now, as for you making excuses, and running away, you can do that if you wish, or you can man up, and debate....Either way it matters not....Have a good one. :2wave:
 
Peter King said:
So? It is only bad if it happens in the United States? I think the Holocaust is also one of the worst things ever in the Jewish community.

American civil war
Second world war (may not have happened in the US but it cost hundreds of thousands of American lives)
9/11
Vietnam war

all of the above are much much much much much worse than Obamacare can be or ever will be.
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Dr. Carson specifically said 'in America', not in the history of the world. If that was the case then of course the break-up of the Beatles would be right up there as well.

Did you support Barrack Obama, a street hustler who received the benefit of affirmative action but who never really accomplished anything in his life apart from getting elected and, as we all know by now, has made things a great deal worse for the United States and the world as well?

Dr. Ben Carson, in sharp contrast, is a man of genuine accomplishments and is world famous for them. BHO, on the other hand, has become an international buffoon.
 
j-mac said:
I am going to break this up a little because you need to know exactly what it is that you said which was not only liberal pap, but pure Bull ****. I falsely characterized nothing. For God's sake, wake up man.....



And as gruesome and repugnant as that time was, rational people in the future will look back on this time and wonder how we let 400K, 4 million, 40 million be digitally lynched by an advisory board that denied treatment of our grand parents because the young generation of today doesn't respect their lives. Seems like the same mindset to me.



And that is exactly the course you liberals are going down that very path with your top down, centralized mindset...



Well, then maybe you're not cut out to go up against people that think differently than you...Just sayin' :peace



You don't have to do that, unless you just can't handle it....



And there it is....Don't you progressive libs ever worry that you so overuse the 'racist' charge, that you take all the power out of it?



I'm not a young guy anymore...When I was, I was probably a little closer to your own mindset, but with age comes wisdom, the wisdom of living life, and seeing the damage that policies have wrought over time....But you'll get there too one day.



Well, thanks for the suggestion, and maybe if I have time I'll look it up, but to tell me to "learn something" is especially insulting coming from a 20 something still looking for his own path in life, so you should maybe refrain from telling people you don't know, smugly to "learn something", it makes you look small. As for Dr. Carson, (maybe you forgot the Dr. before his name) he wasn't trivializing Jim Crow, or anything like it. In fact he was putting his finger on exactly what policies that seek to control peoples lives through central control do to the psyche of free men. You don't like it? Too bad. As far as I know we still have free speech in this country.

Now, as for you making excuses, and running away, you can do that if you wish, or you can man up, and debate....Either way it matters not....Have a good one. :2wave:
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20? I thought you were 20? I'm 64 and also have Dr. in front of my name, but in sociology with a specialty in social inequality, which actually makes me more qualified than Carson (I'll defer to him on neurosurgery), and probably you, doesn't it, since you seem to place a great deal of value on "Dr." There are many, many people with whom I disagree who don't turn my stomach (including on Fox) ... but people who trivialize slavery and Jim Crow do. You and the doctor are indeed free to say what you want, and as much as Carson's speech sickens me, the last thing I want him to do is to stop saying the things he says ... the more people on the right say these things, the better it is for those on the left ... Limbaugh calling that young woman a slut helped, Akins' comments about rape helped, etc. ... when those of you on the right make statements like this, it turns my stomach since so much of what you say is tinged with hate, but instead of trying to shut you up, I want you to climb to the highest mountain and say things like, "ACA, a law that can be repealed, is as bad as slavery, worse than thousands of lynchings." Say it loud, say it often, with my blessings. :cool:
 
mikeafone said:
20? I thought you were 20? I'm 64 and also have Dr. in front of my name, but in sociology with a specialty in social inequality, which actually makes me more qualified than Carson (I'll defer to him on neurosurgery), and probably you, doesn't it, since you seem to place a great deal of value on "Dr." There are many, many people with whom I disagree who don't turn my stomach (including on Fox) ... but people who trivialize slavery and Jim Crow do. You and the doctor are indeed free to say what you want, and as much as Carson's speech sickens me, the last thing I want him to do is to stop saying the things he says ... the more people on the right say these things, the better it is for those on the left ... Limbaugh calling that young woman a slut helped, Akins' comments about rape helped, etc. ... when those of you on the right make statements like this, it turns my stomach since so much of what you say is tinged with hate, but instead of trying to shut you up, I want you to climb to the highest mountain and say things like, "ACA, a law that can be repealed, is as bad as slavery, worse than thousands of lynchings." Say it loud, say it often, with my blessings. :cool:
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It seems your stomach is easily turned, Mikeafone. which must have been difficult for you in the rough and tumble world of sociology (with a specialty in social inequality).

Given your degree and related experience, what is it about Left Wing politics that attracts you and why do you feel these policies would make the Unites States a better place to live?
 
mikeafone said:
20? I thought you were 20? I'm 64 and also have Dr. in front of my name, but in sociology with a specialty in social inequality, which actually makes me more qualified than Carson (I'll defer to him on neurosurgery), and probably you, doesn't it, since you seem to place a great deal of value on "Dr." There are many, many people with whom I disagree who don't turn my stomach (including on Fox) ... but people who trivialize slavery and Jim Crow do. You and the doctor are indeed free to say what you want, and as much as Carson's speech sickens me, the last thing I want him to do is to stop saying the things he says ... the more people on the right say these things, the better it is for those on the left ... Limbaugh calling that young woman a slut helped, Akins' comments about rape helped, etc. ... when those of you on the right make statements like this, it turns my stomach since so much of what you say is tinged with hate, but instead of trying to shut you up, I want you to climb to the highest mountain and say things like, "ACA, a law that can be repealed, is as bad as slavery, worse than thousands of lynchings." Say it loud, say it often, with my blessings. :cool:
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Well, that's very interesting Doc. No, I am a long way from my 20's...I am 51. Tell me, what exactly is entailed in obtaining a "specialty in social inequality"?

Ah, I see, 'social stratification'.... Dividing people into classes politically, as well as socially...hmmm...have fun with that..
 
Grant said:
Dr. Carson specifically said 'in America', not in the history of the world. If that was the case then of course the break-up of the Beatles would be right up there as well.

Did you support Barrack Obama, a street hustler who received the benefit of affirmative action but who never really accomplished anything in his life apart from getting elected and, as we all know by now, has made things a great deal worse for the United States and the world as well?

Dr. Ben Carson, in sharp contrast, is a man of genuine accomplishments and is world famous for them. BHO, on the other hand, has become an international buffoon.
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The only buffoon is Dr. Ben Carson, a man who may have brains in his hands and it very capable in that work but when it comes to his own brain and what comes out of it he proves that he is at times makes moronic comments.

I also stated things from American History that are much worse than Obamacare is and there are loads and loads more things. The great depression is also something that was much worse than Obamacare.

I am sorry, but becoming president is a much bigger genuine accomplishment then becoming a brain surgeon is. Dr. Ben Carson has a talent for his work and is respectable in that way and I admire him for his work but that is not more diminish the accomplishments of Barack Obama.
 
Peter King said:
The only buffoon is Dr. Ben Carson, a man who may have brains in his hands and it very capable in that work but when it comes to his own brain and what comes out of it he proves that he is at times makes moronic comments.

I also stated things from American History that are much worse than Obamacare is and there are loads and loads more things. The great depression is also something that was much worse than Obamacare.

I am sorry, but becoming president is a much bigger genuine accomplishment then becoming a brain surgeon is. Dr. Ben Carson has a talent for his work and is respectable in that way and I admire him for his work but that is not more diminish the accomplishments of Barack Obama.
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Do you really need a list of the extremely stupid things Barrack Obama has said before and since he became President? Are you unaware of them?

What as BHO accomplished in any posts he has been named to? There were no accomplishments prior to the Presidency and certainly none after, despite spending trillions of dollars. Just a trail of broken promises and unparalleled corruption.
 
j-mac said:
Well, that's very interesting Doc. No, I am a long way from my 20's...I am 51. Tell me, what exactly is entailed in obtaining a "specialty in social inequality"?

Ah, I see, 'social stratification'.... Dividing people into classes politically, as well as socially...hmmm...have fun with that..
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and you were so excited -- giddy actually -- about the "Dr." in front of Carson's name ...you're also fickle .. oh well ... J, you take care, and take comfort in knowing that you are never too old to learn new new things, but you have to remain open to new ideas, new ways of thinking ... you need to think more critically ... you have to learn to scratch the surface, things often aren't what they appear to be ... it's one of the many lessons of sociology ... and clearly you googled "social inequality" before you responded, and it seems you came up with social stratification, and that's O.K., but they're not exactly the same thing son, but I think the lesson will be lost on you ... :2wave:
 
mikeafone said:
and you were so excited -- giddy actually -- about the "Dr." in front of Carson's name ...you're also fickle .. oh well ... J, you take care, and take comfort in knowing that you are never too old to learn new new things, but you have to remain open to new ideas, new ways of thinking ... you need to think more critically ... you have to learn to scratch the surface, things often aren't what they appear to be ... it's one of the many lessons of sociology ... and clearly you googled "social inequality" before you responded, and it seems you came up with social stratification, and that's O.K., but they're not exactly the same thing son, but I think the lesson will be lost on you ... :2wave:
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Not at all, I respect what it takes to get a doctorate, as much as I do anything else in higher education...But please DR. don't be so quick to place yourself on some pedestal thinking you are better than others because your an educated man....The rest of your post seems to be little more than a thin insult, and therefore not worth addressing. I am however disappointed that you refuse to then give me an explanation of what your specialty is exactly then if I have it wrong.... And why that should make your opinion of any more value than mine.
 
Peter King said:
The only buffoon is Dr. Ben Carson, a man who may have brains in his hands and it very capable in that work but when it comes to his own brain and what comes out of it he proves that he is at times makes moronic comments.

I also stated things from American History that are much worse than Obamacare is and there are loads and loads more things. The great depression is also something that was much worse than Obamacare.

I am sorry, but becoming president is a much bigger genuine accomplishment then becoming a brain surgeon is. Dr. Ben Carson has a talent for his work and is respectable in that way and I admire him for his work but that is not more diminish the accomplishments of Barack Obama.
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So you feel BHO's accomplishment was becoming President, not anything he has done as President?
 
mikeafone said:
and you were so excited -- giddy actually -- about the "Dr." in front of Carson's name ...you're also fickle .. oh well ... J, you take care, and take comfort in knowing that you are never too old to learn new new things, but you have to remain open to new ideas, new ways of thinking ... you need to think more critically ... you have to learn to scratch the surface, things often aren't what they appear to be ... it's one of the many lessons of sociology ... and clearly you googled "social inequality" before you responded, and it seems you came up with social stratification, and that's O.K., but they're not exactly the same thing son, but I think the lesson will be lost on you ... :2wave:
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Why the ad hom instead of debating the issue?
 
Grant said:
Why the ad hom instead of debating the issue?
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I already did state my case for why Dr. Carson is a %^&$#%^%$# for equating ACA to slavery and saying it's worse than Jim Crow or the near extermination of Indians ... I was simply saying good-bye ... Am I forgiven now? :? But tell me, do you think ACA is worse than nearly 4000 lynchings and racial segregation?
 
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Peter King said:
I am sorry, but becoming president is a much bigger genuine accomplishment then becoming a brain surgeon is. Dr. Ben Carson has a talent for his work and is respectable in that way and I admire him for his work but that is not more diminish the accomplishments of Barack Obama.
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Dr. Carson became a brain surgeon and then developed new surgical procedures which saved lives all over the world.

Barrack Obama became President and added trillions of dollars to the US debt with nothing to show for it. I know of no promise he has kept.

Dr. Ben Carson has real and genuine accomplishments to his credit while Barrack Obama, apart from a title, has none. Unlike Barrack Obama Dr. Carson is internationally respected except, of course, by the American lefties.
 
Grant said:
Do you really need a list of the extremely stupid things Barrack Obama has said before and since he became President? Are you unaware of them?

What as BHO accomplished in any posts he has been named to? There were no accomplishments prior to the Presidency and certainly none after, despite spending trillions of dollars. Just a trail of broken promises and unparalleled corruption.
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I have a pretty good understanding what you think are extremely stupid things President Obama has done but I would guess the jury is out on the fact whether they truly are extremely stupid things or not. I do not doubt Obama has said things that are untrue, are somewhat to very stupid or awkward but that is true of most everybody.

Saying however that Obamacare is the worst thing in the US since slavery still seems like one of the dumbest and obviously false things ever said in the history of the United States.

Instead of owning up to the fact that Ben Carson said something extremely stupid and that he in fact lies when he says that Obamacare is the worst thing to happen in the US since slavery you attack the president. Why? I do not disagree that Obama has not been a great president and that he too has said stupid things, but guess what, this thread is not about Obama for saying something stupid, it is about Dr. Carson, republican golden boy, who has said something that is very very very very very extremely incredibly stupid.
 
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