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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

What's your opinion on where those "disconnects" are? Very important to figure out what these are. Too many students are unprepared for college, and I don't mean just academically, although there is that. They are also too intellectually and emotionally immature to do the work.

Remember "Why Can't Johnny Read?" That was a generation ago.

Parents and legislators don't see all the factors that lead to success. Too many try to focus on one reason, and usually that doesn't include their own role. The pressures are focused in the wrong direction. As an educator, for example, I don't mind being held accountable or being assessed. I mind being held accountable for is not my job. Students are not shoes. This is a human profession and not like math. Each connection is different. A teacher who can reach one, is the wrong person for another. It's the nature of human relationships. And when we start off with the mindset that teachers are not to be respected, the effort becomes more difficult. I would encourage everyone to watch what students are saying as recorded by PBS. I have a link in the education section. There responses are surprisingly good.

And yes, students today are too often emotionally immature, but the push by parents, legislators and school boards are to move them into college at younger and young ages. Look duel enrollment. I listen to one board meeting where it was discussed about how they could make sure students got an AA before graduating from HS. Remember, pressures effect jobs, and what is pushed for will happen, no matter how ugly it really is. Passing students along was never an educators push. Parents began the push, and administrators and even politicians picked up on it.

As a country we've been working on this a long time. Politicians have been running every popular public effort imaginable, and yet with no results. While there would be better results if those in the field led the reform, the fact is the problems are large and the causes multiple. The more we try to make a simple solution, the further we get from the solutions.
 
Nope, sorry Joe, but I remember our conversation very well, and with the technology of being able to go back and read, it is really easy....On page 85 you started diverting into wild assertions that I never made, in fact it was like, out of a long post you were only focused on a singular aspect that was between myself, and another poster, that I had already corrected. But, for a whole page you wanted to beat that horse, and then when you realized you were starting to look foolish, you switched the tact on the next page to reparations, which, while still relevant as a side conversation, still not what Dr. Carson was talking about. Then on the next page, you took that argument about reparations, and used it to insert "education" into the conversation. It is all right here....http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...happened-since-slavery-89.html#post1062449842 and that is the first mention of education at all into the conversation, made by YOU....

Now, just to recap, you insert yourself into a conversation dispute between myself, and another that is already settled, then you shift the conversation off topic by adding another issue, then you take it a step further by changing the focus all together by arguing totally off topic about education for the next 8 pages.

Now, I really don't any longer want to talk about you, or your off topic diversions Joe, so if there is something about the thread that you'd like to discuss honestly, then by all means post it, and I will absolutely read it and respond, but I am not going to get into trouble by entertaining your wild diversions.

:2wave: :peace:

J, I'm sorry, but I'm worried about you. You don't follow this very well at all. You actually prove my point. Thanks. :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
1***Parents and legislators don't see all the factors that lead to success. Too many try to focus on one reason, and usually that doesn't include their own role. The pressures are focused in the wrong direction. As an educator, for example, 2***I don't mind being held accountable or being assessed. 3***I mind being held accountable for is not my job. Students are not shoes. This is a human profession and not like math. Each connection is different. A teacher who can reach one, is the wrong person for another. It's the nature of human relationships. 4***And when we start off with the mindset that teachers are not to be respected, the effort becomes more difficult. I would encourage everyone to watch what students are saying as recorded by PBS. I have a link in the education section. There responses are surprisingly good.

And yes, students today are too often emotionally immature, but the push by parents, legislators and school boards are to move them into college at younger and young ages.5*** Look duel enrollment. I listen to one board meeting where it was discussed about how they could make sure students got an AA before graduating from HS.6*** Remember, pressures effect jobs, and what is pushed for will happen, no matter how ugly it really is. Passing students along was never an educators push. Parents began the push, and administrators and even politicians picked up on it. 7***

As a country we've been working on this a long time.8*** Politicians have been running every popular public effort imaginable, and yet with no results. While there would be better results if those in the field led the reform, the fact is the problems are large and the causes multiple9***. The more we try to make a simple solution, the further we get from the solutions.10***


Ten translations from Edu-speak to English:
Warning: Sarcasm ahead.

1: Dang Parents and Politicians are always blaming others.
2: I don't mind being held accountable or being assessed.
3: Don't hold me accountable or assess me by my students' performance.
4: WHY MY STUDENT NO RESPEC MY AUTHORITEH NEMORE>?
5: These kids are emotional ****ups.
6: These fools, trying to encourage their kids to be competitive in the workforce.
7: Parents, administrators, and politicians: STOP PUSHING YOUR KIDS!
8: I inherited this problem.
9: Why don't you listen to us educators? The problems are too complicated for your feeble minds.
10: What we really need is a solution so complicated that no one will understand how the **** anything works.
 
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Ten translations from Edu-speak to English:
Warning: Sarcasm ahead.

1: Dang Parents and Politicians are always blaming others.
2: I don't mind being held accountable or being assessed.
3: Just don't hold me accountable or assess me by my students' performance.
4: WHY MY STUDENT NO RESPEC MY AUTHORITEH NEMORE>?
5: These kids are emotional ****ups.
6: These fools, trying to encourage their kids to be competitive in the workforce.
7: Parents, administrators, and politicians: STOP PUSHING YOUR KIDS!
8: I inherited this problem.
9: Why don't you listen to us educators? The problems are too complicated for your feeble minds.
10: What we really need is a solution so complicated that no one will understand how the **** anything works.
Wow that was certainly over the top and as poor a translation as I've ever seen. I guess I have learned you're not interested in actual understanding.
 
Ten translations from Edu-speak to English:
Warning: Sarcasm ahead.
1: Dang Parents and Politicians are always blaming others.
2: I don't mind being held accountable or being assessed.
3: Don't hold me accountable or assess me by my students' performance.
4: WHY MY STUDENT NO RESPEC MY AUTHORITEH NEMORE>?
5: These kids are emotional ****ups.
6: These fools, trying to encourage their kids to be competitive in the workforce.
7: Parents, administrators, and politicians: STOP PUSHING YOUR KIDS!
8: I inherited this problem.
9: Why don't you listen to us educators? The problems are too complicated for your feeble minds.
10: What we really need is a solution so complicated that no one will understand how the **** anything works.

Wow that was certainly over the top and as poor a translation as I've ever seen. I guess I have learned you're not interested in actual understanding.

Edu-speak to English Translation: I don't know what sarcasm is.
 
It's pretty clear that the teabaggers equating Obamacare to slavery is telling us they want to refight your civil war. Simply because they hate Obama because he's a black president. The jig's up now and all good Americans should call it like it is.
 
It's pretty clear that the teabaggers equating Obamacare to slavery is telling us they want to refight your civil war. Simply because they hate Obama because he's a black president. The jig's up now and all good Americans should call it like it is.

:roll: Are we not all tired of this lame excuse for a failure of a Presidency, and a huge waste of time in a fragile period?
 
:roll: Are we not all tired of this lame excuse for a failure of a Presidency, and a huge waste of time in a fragile period?

It's all about racist hate and obstructing Obama. But it's simply a matter of the GOP destroying the teabagger influence that's destroying their party. It's beginning to happen and that's good for Obama too.
 
It's all about racist hate and obstructing Obama.

Come on man, you can't really believe that, can you? It all sounds so childish, the name calling (ie; teabaggers, etc.), the inflammatory nature of it all, and derision of those in opposition, and only exacerbated by this rhetoric.

But it's simply a matter of the GOP destroying the teabagger influence that's destroying their party.

I am actually not looking forward to anything like that. The influences of progressive republicans like McCain, and Graham does more to help liberal progressives then anything that strong opposition to those in favor of one party, top down, centralized government like yourself.

It's beginning to happen and that's good for Obama too.

I'd say just the opposite....

"Ten Senate Democrats have signed on to a letter crafted by Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) urging the Obama administration to extend the open enrollment period for the recently launched health-care exchanges.
Shaheen called for the extension this week in light of myriad problems with the HealthCare.gov Web site."

10 Senate Democrats sign Shaheen letter pushing for open enrollment extension
 
There is no evidence it was unconstitutional before. If an issue hasn't been up before doesn't mean it was unconstitutional before. You're making a logic error I think.

There's evidence that it's unconstitutional NOW - I've already established that. My comment was not limited to just this. I was referring to the barrage of constitution tramplings in the supreme court where things that have been unconstitutional for 230+ years, suddenly are not. The judges are getting away with it and people don't care because they think if it hasn't affected them, then there's no threat. Grave mistake.

Provisions in the NDAA and certain executive orders give the government the LEGAL right to put you to work "without compensation" AKA slavery, and to lock us up in camps. They don't try to hide it - the language is in there! The legal framework for our imprisonment and enslavement now exists. THEY JUST HAVEN'T USED IT YET. They won't until everything is in place. There is a delay and the delay must be that they are having problems with oathekeepers in the military. I'm not going off-topic because this all ties in.

There's something about obamacare that plays a major role. Forced vaccinations that they plan to introduce? The reason I say this is because the FDA and it's long history of brazen transgressions that are never met with reprimand, with regard to it's suppression of cures for just about every disease known to man, prove without the slightest doubt that the government does not give a flying rat's ass about our health. Yet the way obama pushed this as top priority over far more important issues was just bizarre to me. You have to admit his being so adamant about it produced some awkward moments because senators were trying to resolve other more serious issues, and finally obama said something like "I'm not doing anything until we pass this bill".

So, because they're game is so overused and cliche by now, I predict that they are going to put out a killer virus (that they made), and out of this will come the forced vaccinations. Now that they control socialized medicine they'll say "we can't afford for anyone else to get this virus, you WILL be vaccinated."
 
There's evidence that it's unconstitutional NOW - I've already established that. My comment was not limited to just this. I was referring to the barrage of constitution tramplings in the supreme court where things that have been unconstitutional for 230+ years, suddenly are not. The judges are getting away with it and people don't care because they think if it hasn't affected them, then there's no threat. Grave mistake.

Provisions in the NDAA and certain executive orders give the government the LEGAL right to put you to work "without compensation" AKA slavery, and to lock us up in camps. They don't try to hide it - the language is in there! The legal framework for our imprisonment and enslavement now exists. THEY JUST HAVEN'T USED IT YET. They won't until everything is in place. There is a delay and the delay must be that they are having problems with oathekeepers in the military. I'm not going off-topic because this all ties in.

There's something about obamacare that plays a major role. Forced vaccinations that they plan to introduce? The reason I say this is because the FDA and it's long history of brazen transgressions that are never met with reprimand, with regard to it's suppression of cures for just about every disease known to man, prove without the slightest doubt that the government does not give a flying rat's ass about our health. Yet the way obama pushed this as top priority over far more important issues was just bizarre to me. You have to admit his being so adamant about it produced some awkward moments because senators were trying to resolve other more serious issues, and finally obama said something like "I'm not doing anything until we pass this bill".

So, because they're game is so overused and cliche by now, I predict that they are going to put out a killer virus (that they made), and out of this will come the forced vaccinations. Now that they control socialized medicine they'll say "we can't afford for anyone else to get this virus, you WILL be vaccinated."

No, that is merely your interpretation. There is no conclusive evidence of this. The questions were not raised then.
 
The only thing that is certain about the 'constitutional' argument is that teabaggers are experts at taking the normal course of law and making it out to be unconstitutional in order to fulfill their agenda or racism and hate.
 
No, that is merely your interpretation. There is no conclusive evidence of this. The questions were not raised then.

Do you think the government is honest with your best interest in mind?
 
Do you think the government is honest with your best interest in mind?

Never said that, but it's not either / or. The point was there is no evidence that this was once unconstitutional as the question was even thought if then. So the courts are not changing anything.
 
No, that is merely your interpretation. There is no conclusive evidence of this. The questions were not raised then.

I outlined specifically how it is unconstitutional. I named the section and article, then explained how it violates the origination clause. I "interpreted" that it didn't originate in the senate because it didn't originate in the senate. It's conclusive because it's too late for them to change the source from where it originated. What questions were not raised when? Have all 32,000 of your posts been this weak?
 
Never said that, but it's not either / or. The point was there is no evidence that this was once unconstitutional as the question was even thought if then. So the courts are not changing anything.

Has the SCOTUS ever reversed itself?
 
I outlined specifically how it is unconstitutional. I named the section and article, then explained how it violates the origination clause. I "interpreted" that it didn't originate in the senate because it didn't originate in the senate. It's conclusive because it's too late for them to change the source from where it originated. What questions were not raised when? Have all 32,000 of your posts been this weak?

Yes, I know. And that sees logical to you. I just don't thin you or I know enough. Many a false premise has stated with novices thinking they know it all clearly.
 
Has the SCOTUS ever reversed itself?

They have, and such is the process. You have to make a better argument. Not a we "know" it is unconstitutional one.
 
I have not had time to read the entire forum, but I want to tell you, my friends, is what Dr. Carson intelligent and decent man. And those who are trying to mix him with a dirt, and not smart and not decent.
 
I have not had time to read the entire forum, but I want to tell you, my friends, is what Dr. Carson intelligent and decent man. And those who are trying to mix him with a dirt, and not smart and not decent.

A decent man can still be wrong, and thus one is.
 
A decent man can still be wrong, and thus one is.
Dr.Karson not God, and of course, he may be wrong. But his profession of a neurosurgeon taught him to think 100 times, and then cut off.
 
They have, and such is the process. You have to make a better argument. Not a we "know" it is unconstitutional one.

So undeniably proving it violates the clause I cited is not good enough, and we'll have to do better than that. Just that it violates the clause doesn't work anymore. .Okay, we'll go with that since that seems to be the case anyway. I'll do the first commentary then, and you counter.

When they wrote the constitution, there was a very specific purpose. Not to appropriate war funds or to make sure it's legal to spy on americans. It was quite the opposite - to prevent overreaching powers and to guarantee future generations liberty and justice for all. These mfers were smart. They thought of everything and made sure that as long as nothing changes in the text, our civil rights would always be intact. That means every word is of extreme importance. So, for sure, everything written was intended to remain intact, as in stone. If amendments are added, they are not to interfere with or try to compromise anything preceding that amendment. They also issued warnings that one day this would happen.

So I'll just get right to the point. If it was an isolated incident, and on all other fronts we saw an honest true blue government, it still wouldn't be okay, but I'd be a helluva lot less paranoid. However, every move they make, and every action they take is consistent with preparations for a coup and takeover. DHS is OUT OF CONTROL. If I have to mention the billions of hollowpoints (for "target practice") and thousands of armored assault vehicles again, I'm gonna puke! What is all that sht for? All the "terrorists" on our streets? Americans, get a c-l-u-e. Here's the clincher, we pay them! You are paying for your own enslavement. Demoralizing.
 
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