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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

CycloneWanderer said:
By your own system of judgement, by what merit or expertise are you able to legitimately call bull**** on Dr. Carson's statements on Obamacare and slavery? Unless you are an expert in both, I don't see how your remarks meet your own evaluation standards.

Well, unless you are an expert in bull****. In that case, I'd concede the topic.
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Are you suggesting that Dr. Carson is an expert in slavery?
 
donsutherland1 said:
No matter what one thinks of the ACA, and it has shortcomings and potential risks (some of which won't be known until concrete empirical data becomes available), the suggestion that it is the "worst thing" to impact the nation since slavery is historically illiterate. Dr. Carson's rhetoric only demonstrates anew the reality that superior performance in one field does not necessarily equate to superior performance in another field. He is a talented and successful neurosurgeon. One can't say the same with respect to his role in the political arena.
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I'll take a brain surgeon over a community organizer any day of the week. Wouldn't you? One solves problems, the other creates them.

Tim-
 
Hicup said:
I'll take a brain surgeon over a community organizer any day of the week. Wouldn't you? One solves problems, the other creates them.

Tim-
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Yes because organizing your community is the work of the devil.
 
Hicup said:
I'll take a brain surgeon over a community organizer any day of the week. Wouldn't you? One solves problems, the other creates them.

Tim-
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I'll take the community organizer who didn't say minor taxes for not getting health insurance is worse than the holocaust.
 
Deuce said:
I'll take the community organizer who didn't say minor taxes for not getting health insurance is worse than the holocaust.
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LOL. You'd take him if he did.
 
donsutherland1 said:
No matter what one thinks of the ACA, and it has shortcomings and potential risks (some of which won't be known until concrete empirical data becomes available), the suggestion that it is the "worst thing" to impact the nation since slavery is historically illiterate. Dr. Carson's rhetoric only demonstrates anew the reality that superior performance in one field does not necessarily equate to superior performance in another field. He is a talented and successful neurosurgeon. One can't say the same with respect to his role in the political arena.
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There may be some hope. A sign saying something similar to what Carson said was put up at a restaurant in Arkansas... and it was taken down in about an hour because people objected.

Arkansas Restaurant Sign Claims Obamacare Is 'america's Punishment For Slavery Years'
 
StillBallin75 said:
Yes because organizing your community is the work of the devil.
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Well, what kind of organizing did Obama do, Stillballin? My recollection is that he was no different than the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world. What did he organize his community for is the question? I also seem to recollect that Obama never held an actual job, never managed people, nor was he responsible for any budget. I'm taking the brain surgeon. ;)


Tim-
 
Deuce said:
I'll take the community organizer who didn't say minor taxes for not getting health insurance is worse than the holocaust.
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I agree that the analogy was a bit over the top, but gee I can't think of any rhetoric Obama has made over the last 5 years as approaching suspect??? LOL


Tim-
 
donsutherland1 said:
His assessment ignores a number of things that have been far worse: WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, etc. All of those events either led to substantial loss of American lives and/or significant sacrifice/hardship. The ACA does not begin to compare in terms of the economic and social impact of those events. To ignore such consequential historical events and their impact on the U.S. amounts to historical illiteracy, as one is not discussing minor footnotes or ambiguous nuance over which there is a lot of disagreement.
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Will we be talking about the negative and continuing impact of "WWI, WWII, the Great Depression, etc." a hundred years from now? Can we fully judge the impact of the ACA when it hasn't even fully taken effect yet?
 
donsutherland1 said:
No matter what one thinks of the ACA, and it has shortcomings and potential risks (some of which won't be known until concrete empirical data becomes available), the suggestion that it is the "worst thing" to impact the nation since slavery is historically illiterate. Dr. Carson's rhetoric only demonstrates anew the reality that superior performance in one field does not necessarily equate to superior performance in another field. He is a talented and successful neurosurgeon. One can't say the same with respect to his role in the political arena.
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Loss of freedom is the "worse thing" since slavery. Those people you mentioned in the wars (post575) were not fighting so we could have our freedom taken away. People living during the depression still had their freedom. Now Obama has taken it away. It needs changed. And with respect to Dr Carson, his expertise in the political arena is where it needs to be. Restoring freedom.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
May I take this as an admittance to being an expert in bull****?
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Ha ha, no. You said

by what merit or expertise are you able to legitimately call bull**** on Dr. Carson's statements on Obamacare and slavery? Unless you are an expert in both...
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So are you saying that Dr. Carson is an expert in slavery? Because that's certainly what you seemed to be implying.
 
Cardinal said:
Ha ha, no. You said



So are you saying that Dr. Carson is an expert in slavery? Because that's certainly what you seemed to be implying.
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How about a trade: Answer my question first, then I'll answer yours. Here's a refresher.

Using your own system of judgement, by what merit or expertise are you able to legitimately call bull**** on Dr. Carson's statements on Obamacare and slavery?

Basically, what's your credentials for criticizing Dr. Carson's opnion? If you aren't an expert in the things discussed in his opinion, you are speaking outside your expertise and your opinion is not worth considering.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
How about a trade: Answer my question first, then I'll answer yours. Here's a refresher.

Using your own system of judgement, by what merit or expertise are you able to legitimately call bull**** on Dr. Carson's statements on Obamacare and slavery?
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This is getting boring. Unless you can demonstrate that Dr. Carson has qualifications to speak on history as much as he's qualified to speak on neurosurgery then we're finished here.
 
Cardinal said:
This is getting boring. Unless you can demonstrate that Dr. Carson has qualifications to speak on history as much as he's qualified to speak on neurosurgery then we're finished here.
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Unless you can demonstrate that you have qualifications to speak on Dr. Carson's opinion, I agree we're finished here.

Don't get mad, bro. I'm just extending your personal standards for judging the validity of Dr. Carson's comments to your own. I will continue to disregard the content of your opinion until you meet your own standards. Unless, of course, you don't want to be held to your own standards. Though, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Unless you can demonstrate that you have qualifications to speak on Dr. Carson's opinion, I agree we're finished here.

Don't get mad, bro. I'm just extending your personal standards for judging the validity of Dr. Carson's comments to your own. I will continue to disregard the content of your opinion until you meet your own standards. Unless, of course, you don't want to be held to your own standards. Though, wouldn't that make you a hypocrite?
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So you can't demonstrate any kind of expertise on history on Dr. Carson's part then. I accept your concession and we're done here.
 
Cardinal said:
So you can't demonstrate any kind of expertise on history on Dr. Carson's part then. I accept your concession and we're done here.
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:doh I guess expecting you to understand the point I've been demonstrating to you this entire time is unreasonable at this juncture.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
:doh I guess expecting you to understand the point I've been demonstrating to you this entire time is unreasonable at this juncture.
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Looks like we are going to have to shut down all these forums, because we now have to be experts in each subject to discuss them. I guess being a neurosurgeon that is well versed in many subjects and quite intellectually qualified to discuss them all isn't enough for this group of left wing wizards.

Funny, how he is not good enough, yet the left goes running to pull the lever for the most unqualified man in history to ever hold the office of President. And one wonders why our government is so terrible.
 
Anthony60 said:
Looks like we are going to have to shut down all these forums, because we now have to be experts in each subject to discuss them. I guess being a neurosurgeon that is well versed in many subjects and quite intellectually qualified to discuss them all isn't enough for this group of left wing wizards.

Funny, how he is not good enough, yet the left goes running to pull the lever for the most unqualified man in history to ever hold the office of President. And one wonders why our government is so terrible.
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To use Don Sutherland's term, Dr. Carson is "historically illiterate," which he also explained suitably. Dr. Carson's lack of degree in history or any sociological arena combined with his hysterical hyperbole supports this. Dr. Carson's facile point of view and utter lack of insight in history despite his background in neurosurgery is akin to Michael Jordan's demonstration of baseball despite his background in basketball. Expertise in one is not a free ticket to expertise in another.
 
Cardinal said:
To use Don Sutherland's term, Dr. Carson is "historically illiterate," which he also explained suitably. Dr. Carson's lack of degree in history or any sociological arena combined with his hysterical hyperbole supports this. Dr. Carson's facile point of view and utter lack of insight in history despite his background in neurosurgery is akin to Michael Jordan's demonstration of baseball despite his background in basketball. Expertise in one is not a free ticket to expertise in another.
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I can't take Don Sutherland's expertise for granted, and by your standards I must disregard his opinion until legitimat, content-relevant expertise is proven (preferably with a degree of some sort). Neither should you if you don't want to be a confirmation-biased hypocrite.

And yes, the horse-beating will continue until respiration occurs.
 
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Deuce said:
The part in bold is what makes it not racism.
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You didn't say politically wrong, you said "crazy". And the political view was the reason, meaning sane blacks cannot have those views. You imply that conservative blacks can't think rationally for themselves.
 
Hicup said:
I agree that the analogy was a bit over the top, but gee I can't think of any rhetoric Obama has made over the last 5 years as approaching suspect??? LOL


Tim-
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I'm glad we agree that this sort of hyperbole is not productive.
 
Anthony60 said:
I think Carson is a bit off, Obamacare is working hard to out do slavery, as it is getting worse and worse.
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So, to clarify, you actually are stating you believe Obamacare is/will be worse than slavery?

I just want to make sure I'm clear on what you're saying.
 
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