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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

reinoe said:
What is an American core belief system?
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Individualism working within a framework of community-- self-reliance, perseverance, self discipline, responsibility for oneself and one's family, belief in family, a hard work ethic, striving, learning/gaining skills in an effort to constantly improve, belief in truth, honesty and frankness along with humility, of being friendly in nature, a certain fearlessness in the face of odds, solidity in and of moral compass, the spirit of innovation/ingenuity, representative democracy/majority rules and minority rights, belief in Constitutional /founding principles, including that of limited government, three branches, checks and balances, Federalism with those powers not explicitly expressed to revert to the states and to the people, that ultimately the people are sovereign, the true masters with government as our faithful servant, Capitalism with necessary but minimal restraints, strength of mind, body and spirit... and of national defense, devotion to country and fellow Americans, a belief in our unique position in the world and in history, a natural sense of fairness/justice, working to give the future, our posterity, at least what we were given.

I am sure I may have left some things out, but I think that hits much of our core...
 
^ This is why people from around the world think Americans are blisteringly arrogant. Hell, I'm an American, and I wouldn't trade places with anyone else in the world. I'm thrilled I hit the genetic powerball and was born here. But Jesus Harold Christ on a unicycle, this summary of "American Exceptionalism" is just painfully self-righteous.
 
The point is, why do you need a license from the government to cut someone's hair? Does having that license demonstrate you are a better barber or hairstylist?
 
Kobie said:
^ This is why people from around the world think Americans are blisteringly arrogant. Hell, I'm an American, and I wouldn't trade places with anyone else in the world. I'm thrilled I hit the genetic powerball and was born here. But Jesus Harold Christ on a unicycle, this summary of "American Exceptionalism" is just painfully self-righteous.
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Who really cares what people around the world think? But if they are thinking at all it's that they want to emigrate to America.
 
Kobie said:
1. Posit a ridiculous strawman.
2. Wait for inevitable burning of said strawman.
3. Wank about "leftist emotionalism."
4. ???
5. Profit.
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But you dismissed his opinion, crediting policy ignorance. He is a Dr. informed about medical billing and how laws affect a Dr.'s ability to do his job and produce income. His position that at least part of a dr.'s labor is being co-opted is indisputable fact, although not necessarily a unique station in life. Other than that I was just having a bit of fun getting you riled up.
 
shrubnose said:
Dr Carson may be a decent Doctor, but he will never be President of the USA.
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They said that about Barrack Obama as well but with his election the bar has been lowered to such an extent that anyone, no matter how unlikely, can become President. Qualifications no longer matter. It is more about celebrity, and actual celebrities know this. Lady Gaga could be the next president now.
 
Objective Voice said:
Again, you're being ignorant here.

Low-income individuals WHO WORK but can't quite afford health insurance on their own would be the ones who'd be applying for health care credits. These people are NOT the same as those who would be applying for Medicaid. But it seems that people who share your thinking on the matter are purposely tying ALL low-income wage earners into the same bunch. They are different: lower-middle-class wage earners -vs- those who qualify as poor. BIG difference. In this day and age you can work and still meet federal poverty level guidelines. I see it every day! But that doesn't necessarily make your poor. It just means you're in that gray area - not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid, not wealthy enough to be able to afford health insurance on your own.

I'm in no way discussing issues of the poor nor the unemployed. But those of you who are adamantly opposed to the health care law work extremely hard to clump everyone in the same group...too hard, IMO.
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This may not be a direct answer to your point, but you inadvertently hit upon something here, we do try to clump everyone in the same group. Equal protection under the law compels this. However, the basic point is this. No labor is free. Someone pays for the service given to every patient. If not the recipient, it is either the Dr. who provides his labor and expertise without cost or the taxpayer who subsidizes the insurance policy; or a combination of both. In the end someone's labor is being usurped.
 
johndylan1 said:
This may not be a direct answer to your point, but you inadvertently hit upon something here, we do try to clump everyone in the same group. Equal protection under the law compels this. However, the basic point is this. No labor is free. Someone pays for the service given to every patient. If not the recipient, it is either the Dr. who provides his labor and expertise without cost or the taxpayer who subsidizes the insurance policy; or a combination of both. In the end someone's labor is being usurped.
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Isn't this the case with literally every public service?
 
johndylan1 said:
Do really believe that is an equivalent?
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 Or are you just using convenient talking points? Tell the truth now...
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I said what I said and it's pretty damn simple: If you drive up and down the road without auto insurance, you have a problem.

Take it any way that you want to take it, but I strongly advise you not to try driving without auto-insurance - no matter how much you might dislike the fact that the government requires you to have it.

But, hey,do whatever you want to do - won't cost me a nickel in any case.
 
Grant said:
They said that about Barrack Obama as well but with his election the bar has been lowered to such an extent that anyone, no matter how unlikely, can become President. Qualifications no longer matter. It is more about celebrity, and actual celebrities know this. Lady Gaga could be the next president now.
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If you really believe that, you are seriously out of touch with reality.

Her chances are way smaller than Dr. Carson's, which are mighty small.
 
Deuce said:
Isn't this the case with literally every public service?
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I would say yes, but there is a distinction. The health care industry is a massive percentage of the economy, and therefore usurps an inordinate amount of labor. Secondly, there was not true consent of the people. When the legislation was passed there was public polling that suggested the majority didn't want it. It was passed with a completely partisan vote. The normal legislative order of the Senate was set aside in order to defy the will of the people. While effective for passage, the maneuver has failed to create consensus, and therefore created ongoing dissatisfaction. The key to appropriate public usurpation of labor is consent.
 
shrubnose said:
I said what I said and it's pretty damn simple: If you drive up and down the road without auto insurance, you have a problem.

Take it any way that you want to take it, but I strongly advise you not to try driving without auto-insurance - no matter how much you might dislike the fact that the government requires you to have it.

But, hey,do whatever you want to do - won't cost me a nickel in any case.
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Ok now I know you are either uninformed or dishonest.

Who doesn't have to acquire auto insurance under the law? What authority requires one to acquire auto insurance?
Who doesn't have to acquire health insurance under the law? What authority requires one to acquire health insurance?
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Best things about Dr. Carson are that he is super articulate, he is absolutely fearless, he cannot be called a racist credibly and he is, in fact, an actual brain surgeon...so his intellectual abilities are beyond question.
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Why don't you be honest and admit the best thing about Dr. Carson from your POV is that he is BLACK and he doesn't like liberals?
 
johndylan1 said:
Ok now I know you are either uninformed or dishonest.

Who doesn't have to acquire auto insurance under the law? What authority requires one to acquire auto insurance?
Who doesn't have to acquire health insurance under the law? What authority requires one to acquire health insurance?
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If you don't already know the correct answers to those questions you have a problem which I don't feel obligated to help you with.

In any case, have a nice day.
 
shrubnose said:
If you don't already know the correct answers to those questions you have a problem which I don't feel obligated to help you with.

In any case, have a nice day.
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I know the answer and so do you, dishonesty really bothers me, so my day will be screwed after replying to your post... but whatever
 
shrubnose said:
If you really believe that, you are seriously out of touch with reality.

Her chances are way smaller than Dr. Carson's, which are mighty small.
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Lady Gaga has enjoyed a great deal more success in many areas than Barrack Obama. His only achievement so far is learning how to use a teleprompter (something Lady Gaga doesn't require) and get elected by the very poorly informed. Americans have already elected a President based on coolness rather than proven abilities and many people see Lady G as being the epitome of cool. Plus she already has a title in her name.

As a bonus the first female President would demonstrate to an indifferent world that the American people are not sexist. The left cares about things like that.
 
pbrauer said:
Why don't you be honest and admit the best thing about Dr. Carson from your POV is that he is BLACK and he doesn't like liberals?
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Liberals play the race card yet again!! Have you no shame?

The Democrats history of racism never runs far from the surface.
 
Grant said:
Lady Gaga has enjoyed a great deal more success in many areas than Barrack Obama. His only achievement so far is learning how to use a teleprompter (something Lady Gaga doesn't require) and get elected by the very poorly informed. Americans have already elected a President based on coolness rather than proven abilities and many people see Lady G as being the epitome of cool. Plus she already has a title in her name.

As a bonus the first female President would demonstrate to an indifferent world that the American people are not sexist. The left cares about things like that.
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Well, we did elect Ronald Reagan. :shrug::shrug:
 
pbrauer said:
Why don't you be honest and admit the best thing about Dr. Carson from your POV is that he is BLACK and he doesn't like liberals?
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When you are done reading his mind how about reading mine? Sounds like fun.
 
johndylan1 said:
I know the answer and so do you, dishonesty really bothers me, so my day will be screwed after replying to your post... but whatever
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Many liberals pretend that their inability to respond to a direct question is taking the high road. The reality is quite different.
 
Grant said:
Lady Gaga has enjoyed a great deal more success in many areas than Barrack Obama. His only achievement so far is learning how to use a teleprompter (something Lady Gaga doesn't require) and get elected by the very poorly informed. Americans have already elected a President based on coolness rather than proven abilities and many people see Lady G as being the epitome of cool. Plus she already has a title in her name.

As a bonus the first female President would demonstrate to an indifferent world that the American people are not sexist.
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The left cares about things like that.
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The first female president of the USA is a lot more likely to be Hillary Clinton, but keep dreaming.
 
shrubnose said:
The first female president of the USA is a lot more likely to be Hillary Clinton, but keep dreaming.
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Lady Gaga is certainly better qualified than either BHO or Hillary and her accomplishments far greater.
 
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