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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

calamity said:
Jury is out on that---he's clearly not a gun nut, but he is a homophobe and the comment about ACA being akin to slavery is off the hook.
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We can spend quite a while reviewing the stupid things and very ignorant things Barrack Obama has said and not only was he elected President, he was re-elected! I strongly suspect Republicans are held to much higher standards than Democrats. In fact, do Democrats have standards?
 
Boo Radley said:
You know they have been doing this for decades, and even with tax cuts. If you look at it, you will know nothing republicans complain about are driving these moves.
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Is that intended to be an explanation of some sort?
 
Henrin said:
Economic freedom in America is an absolute joke. I just found out that if i want to produce a new product I need to get the approval of the federal government first. I didn't even sell one unit of the product yet and the government is already telling me what to do. :doh
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Many Americans, and foreign investors, are discovering the same thing but the leftists will never get it. They'll still listen to those politicians who say that it's they who will 'create jobs'.
 
Deuce said:
This post, right here, is a perfect demonstration of how ridiculous libertarianism really gets.

I, the pilot or aircraft operator, have the power to place your life in mortal danger in order to save myself a few bucks. You, the passenger, have virtually no way to assess that risk. You have no basis of knowledge whatsoever that allows you to determine whether or not the risk I am putting you in is worth the $20 you save on the ticket. Because you don't understand how planes fly in the first place, let alone the skill, planning, maintenance, and supervision required to do so safely.

You. Are. Not. An. Informed. Consumer.

How many times have you heard people complain about delays, stating they "sat on the runway" for X amount of time. Guess what? They didn't sit on a runway. They sat somewhere else. A person who can't even name the various strips of pavement they sit on is supposed assess the value of my flying skill? They're supposed to determine whether or not proper maintenance has been completed on my aircraft? How? Going to inspect the plane yourself, are you? How about just looking at the paperwork yourself? Would you even know what to look for? Wait, in libertopia I'm not required to even have paperwork showing maintenance records, let alone show it to those ****ing customers.

In your world, the company has the right to literally kill you in the name of saving money. I'm sure the next generation will sufficiently punish the company. Like happened with ValuJet, right? Nasty accident caused by shoddy procedures. The market didn't let them continue to operOH WAIT.
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So what is your point? Government control and regulations didn't prevent an accident?

And how do you know this about everybody?: "Because you don't understand how planes fly in the first place, let alone the skill, planning, maintenance, and supervision required to do so safely.

You. Are. Not. An. Informed. Consumer."
 
ItAin'tFree said:
So what is your point? Government control and regulations didn't prevent an accident?

And how do you know this about everybody?: "Because you don't understand how planes fly in the first place, let alone the skill, planning, maintenance, and supervision required to do so safely.

You. Are. Not. An. Informed. Consumer."
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Clearly it's not everybody. There's the occasional nerd who learns a lot about aviation despite not being directly involved in the industry. However, they're the exception, not the rule. Most people don't know **** about flying a plane safely.

Just like I don't know **** about building a safe skyscraper or safely performing major surgery. I am not qualified to assess the skill of my surgeon.
 
Deuce said:
Clearly it's not everybody. There's the occasional nerd who learns a lot about aviation despite not being directly involved in the industry. However, they're the exception, not the rule. Most people don't know **** about flying a plane safely.

Just like I don't know **** about building a safe skyscraper or safely performing major surgery. I am not qualified to assess the skill of my surgeon.
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The government doesn't have that skill either.

Perhaps you can supply a similar argument why a barber or a masseuse needs a license from the government.
 
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Henrin said:
That seems a bit strange since it deals with doctors and patients, not the insurance company.
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The law, ACA, deals mostly with insurance. Anything else is more and better service, not denying doctors to treat patients with accepted practices. Leeches may be frown upon as something we pay for, but only something like that is really at stake.
 
Grant said:
Perhaps you can supply a similar argument why a barber or a masseuse needs a license from the government.
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Why? Is there some reason that aviation and hair cutting are equivalent? Because I think some industries need strict oversight, I must think that about all industries?
 
Grant said:
Is that intended to be an explanation of some sort?
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It means your making a cause and effect error. Your side has been making it fir a long time.
 
Grant said:
They are improving insurance standards? Why did they have to pass Obamacare to do that?
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It's not all the ACA does. But it largely focuses on insurance.
 
Grant said:
Actually they did, but its off topic. Why not take some time to research the subject.
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THis I gotta hear. Go ahead. Throw it out there.
 
*Puts on tinfoil*

I believe the worst part of the ACA is its precedence setting. It has essentially made it ok for the government to dictate by just being an living adult a product or service that has been deemed for the betterment of society and must be purchased from a private businesses or be punished by the government. I have believed for a very long time that our government has been in the hands of lobbyist and the elite entities that back them. This just plays further into their hands and feel that it may only be a matter of time before other goods/services are deemed "for the betterment of society". Big business does not need to make a product or service that the private citizen find desirable and wish to purchase they just need to lobby the government to provide it to the people, perfect business model.
 
calamity said:
THis I gotta hear. Go ahead. Throw it out there.
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Condi Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, and Dick Cheney were really Democratic Party Operatives who were intent on making it so that almost any Dem could win in '08. Didn't you know? Nobody could deliberately bungle a war that badly on accident.

Remember when pallets of cold hard cash were flown to the middle of a war zone and billions of dollars disappeared to the surprise of nobody? That kind of decision doesn't happen by someone trying to win a war or balance a budget.;)
 
Grant said:
The government doesn't have that skill either.

Perhaps you can supply a similar argument why a barber or a masseuse needs a license from the government.
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Blowjobs and happy endings? I have no idea. :lol:
 
Deuce said:
Why? Is there some reason that aviation and hair cutting are equivalent? Because I think some industries need strict oversight, I must think that about all industries?
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So how am I to know they can cut hair or offer a good massage? Maybe I can't judge if someone is good at cutting hair or is a good masseuse. Wasn't your argument that customers need a nanny because they're too goddamn stupid?
 
Henrin said:
So how am I to know they can cut hair or offer a good massage? Maybe I can't judge if someone is good at cutting hair or is a good masseuse. Wasn't your argument that customers need a nanny because they're too goddamn stupid?
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Well if a haircut goes wrong you get a bad haircut.

If a plane doesn't meet minimum standards it could fall out of the sky on top of a city but hey a bad haircut vs hundreds of dead people are pretty much the same.
 
Henrin said:
Seems to me someone is offering the service and gets to decide on how they will provide it. :shrug: I still don't understand why doctors need to be told to tell patients they can die.
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Deliberately withholding information is a violation of the consumers rights
 
reinoe said:
Well if a haircut goes wrong you get a bad haircut.

If a plane doesn't meet minimum standards it could fall out of the sky on top of a city but hey a bad haircut vs hundreds of dead people are pretty much the same.
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So it all comes down to a rather subjective view on acceptable risks that are permitted in a society. I'm not surprised by that discovery at all.
 
winston53660 said:
Deliberately withholding information is a violation of the consumers rights
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Like telling the patient they have the choice to pick death? Isn't that option a bit obvious? Btw, you can decide to die at any point here. Just sayin'..

Because apparently some people need to be told. :doh
 
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