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Dr. Carson: Obamacare The Worst Thing That Has Happened Since Slavery

Ask the millions of people who couldn't get health coverage how that whole "rolling with the punches" thing went for them.

I've generally found that the frequency of the use of the word "left," "liberal" or "leftist" in someone's post almost directly correlates with how often they are completely wrong.

The pot calling the kettle black, are ya? We can be as specific as you like with any issue. The bottom line is that public policy and solutions for the general welfare are underpinned by governing philosophy, and the impact of that policy is measured by that underpinning. That is why those labels can be meaningful.
 
Non workers and workers that do not have sufficient income must also obtain insurance. The penalty (not a true tax), is different.

Incorrect. The only enforcement mechanism is that tax penalty.
 
I stand by my assessment of intellectual capacity being important for the understanding of any subject. Dr. Carson hasn't only had his nose in a medical journal, he has indeed applied himself to the study of political philosophy, which he clearly understands based on his articulation of the subject. Dismissing his explanations based on one's own political bias is telling. Secondly, The fact that you do not have the capacity to understand that "hoodwinked stooge of the left" isn't necessarily a statement applicable to all leftists. Some of you actually believe it, amazingly.

He clearly doesn't if he's claiming the ACA is the worst thing since slavery.
 
I agree with you here, but this you have described is really the greater problem of leftist philosophy. People adjust. Market forces and individual self interest responds to policy in unforeseen ways and the market continues create inequities. And that continues, unless and until enough force is applied in order to completely squash market responses. This has historically been the habit of authoritarian governments, and leads to massive oppression. Here in the US we have avoided this through protecting free markets allowing and ebb and flow to policy which also allows us to roll with the punches so-to-speak. Now, however we are being boxed in by our first authoritarian directive from the left.

We as a country has been moving toward authoritarian type central government for sometime now. The move so far has been done in the name of safety of the people, taking care of the people, etc. Back when I grew up, the 1950's, Washington D.C. might as well been on Mars for as the people didn't rely that much on government back then. Today government is in and affects everything we do.

Back then it was the government's job of taking care of the nation, its security, its money, to make sure the welfare of the nation is maintain in good order. The job of taking care of the people was an individual responsibility, a family responsibility, a civic responsibility, then came local, city, county and state government. Somewhere in-between then and now, the central government has become solely responsible for the welfare of the people and at times it ignores the welfare of the nation to the extent now the nation is in dire straights.
 
Worse than The Ice Capades?

I think not.
 
I love dr Ben Carson!

he is one of the most funny political nut cases and mental retards out there on the political scene!

He's not to be taken seriously, come on people, he has ZERO chance of even getting the nod for presidential candidate.

He has proven time and time again his social and political views are bat**** insane and NOBODY honest, educated and respected takes him seriously.

Politically he is a loon, a cartoon character.

Unfortunately in today politics we have these people and its NOT limited to any one party, media uses them and their parties use them for their squeaky wheel.

But at the end of the day they are just comic relief. Embrace what he actually is.
 
We as a country has been moving toward authoritarian type central government for sometime now. The move so far has been done in the name of safety of the people, taking care of the people, etc. Back when I grew up, the 1950's, Washington D.C. might as well been on Mars for as the people didn't rely that much on government back then. Today government is in and affects everything we do.

Back then it was the government's job of taking care of the nation, its security, its money, to make sure the welfare of the nation is maintain in good order. The job of taking care of the people was an individual responsibility, a family responsibility, a civic responsibility, then came local, city, county and state government. Somewhere in-between then and now, the central government has become solely responsible for the welfare of the people and at times it ignores the welfare of the nation to the extent now the nation is in dire straights.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao used that excuse, too.
 
He clearly doesn't if he's claiming the ACA is the worst thing since slavery.

It may be seen as a bit of hyperbole by you or I, but that is a statement of opinion. Last I checked he is still entitled to his opinion in the good ol USA, isn't he comrade?
 
What if they can't afford the tax penalty?

They set you up on a payment plan, and can do garnishment. Still, it would be nothing more than a tax penalty.
 
Ok...so then you are saying that children are now required to produce income? Because the IRS says children must have insurance.

Questions and Answers on the Individual Shared Responsibility Provision

You are either being deliberately dishonest here, have bad reading comprehension, or are just straight-up confused, so I'll spell things out more clearly for you. (i suspect it's a combination)

First, you said requiring health insurance is a "condition of living," not me. This isn't actually true, the penalty only applies beyond certain income levels. I then suggested you believe that income is a "condition of living." At no point did I suggest that I believe anybody must produce income.

This is where your reading comprehension failure comes into play. The tax is a condition of income, that doesn't make income mandatory. I'm really not sure how you made this leap.

Here's where the dishonesty or confusion kicks in:
You either understand the concept of a household for the purposes of taxation or you don't. If it's the first one, you're being dishonest here because you know full well the insurance coverage for children would be dependent upon their parents' income, not income of the children. If it's the second, well, basically what I just said. Children are not subject to this tax (unless they have sufficient income). However, their parents might be. If they have sufficient income.

Any more nonsense you care to spew?
 
I'm not sure why some are so drawn to wild eyed hyperbole. Seem to even trap decent folks. But a person has to guzzling the super strength koolaid aid to by the comparison.

"Buy"
 
What if they can't afford the tax penalty?

The tax penalty doesn't apply below a certain income threshold, and there are mechanisms for waiving that penalty for reasons of "hardship."

If $695/year breaks the bank, you were never subject to it in the first place.
 
I love dr Ben Carson!

he is one of the most funny political nut cases and mental retards out there on the political scene!

He's not to be taken seriously, come on people, he has ZERO chance of even getting the nod for presidential candidate.

He has proven time and time again his social and political views are bat**** insane and NOBODY honest, educated and respected takes him seriously.

Politically he is a loon, a cartoon character.

Unfortunately in today politics we have these people and its NOT limited to any one party, media uses them and their parties use them for their squeaky wheel.

But at the end of the day they are just comic relief. Embrace what he actually is.

The funniest part, is that this is all that Libbos can present as an argument to their opponents.
 
The tax penalty doesn't apply below a certain income threshold, and there are mechanisms for waiving that penalty for reasons of "hardship."

LOL...so how is this supposed to work, again???

I thought the whole premise of Obamacare, was that everyone purchases insurance, thus making rates go down?
 
It may be seen as a bit of hyperbole by you or I, but that is a statement of opinion. Last I checked he is still entitled to his opinion in the good ol USA, isn't he comrade?

Did you not read the post he was responding to? He was nowhere near suggesting that this man had no right to hold his opinion. Rather, that the man's opinion is objectively wrong and that stating said opinion is indicative of a very poor understanding of both history and the health care law.

And, like, reality in general.

Why is it that right-wingers seem to think my criticism of your speech is somehow taking away your right to it?
 
The tax penalty doesn't apply below a certain income threshold, and there are mechanisms for waiving that penalty for reasons of "hardship."

If $695/year breaks the bank, you were never subject to it in the first place.

They set you up on a payment plan, and can do garnishment. Still, it would be nothing more than a tax penalty.

Ya see? Even the supporters of the law don't know how it really works! :lamo
 
The funniest part, is that this is all that Libbos can present as an argument to their opponents.

Have you read how often you folks call some one in the left a loon? This really is a wild exaggeration. You don't have to be left or right to see it, or need and long winded explanation. It's really not worth even considering being as hyperbolic as it is. I wouldn't ask you to provide Bush wasn't Hitler, for example.
 
If $695/year breaks the bank, you were never subject to it in the first place.

If it's ok to force poor people to pay a $695 tax, then those same people should also be made to pay income taxes.

The argument from the Libbos, in favor of The Earned Income Tax Credit, is that poor people can't afford to pay a few hundred bucks every year.
 
I'm not wrong. Sorry. Perhaps it is you who don't know?

I didn't say you're wrong, however, Deuce says something totally different. You both support the debacle and neither of you can agree on how it works.

There are only two options here: 1) one of you is wrong, 2) you're both wrong.
 
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