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US adults are dumber than the average human

douglas said:
It really comes down to preparing students for their lives; The education of 1895 would have prepared you for the life of 1895. I've been a professional Math tutor for years, and work closely with College Professors; the vast majority of people coming in to college are absolute morons. But, it's simply not a matter of the educational standards; I've worked with every major test and standardized exam for pre-algebra through to calculus, and they aren't "easy". If you can pass those tests, you should be able to do well in college. I think the "they're all morons" issue is more to do with people being pressured to get a degree, when they'd normally have no interest in higher learning. It saturates the market with people that did the absolute bare minimum to pass their classes, and had no real desire to excel. It's not a problem with education, it's a problem with society's view of education. A college degree is being misused as a prerequisite for employment, in jobs that really don't need one.
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Perhaps there is some mis-education going on then. Instead of having all children learn the same things we should recognize their differences after a six or eight grades and have them continue on in academic areas where they excel. Human beings tend to enjoy things they are good at and, with students being no different, the drop out rate might be lower if students concentrated on the 2, 3 or 4 subjects they are good at.
 
Grant said:
Where are Democrats trying to find more ways to improve it?

Barack Obama & the DC School Voucher Program - YouTube If they educate young people they will eventually lose their constituency. Obama and the rest know that.



Are you 'of the right'?
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You realize there are more ways to improve schools than vouchers, and the effectiveness of voucher programs to improve schools is debatable?
 
Redress said:
You realize there are more ways to improve schools than vouchers, and the effectiveness of voucher programs to improve schools is debatable?
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Yes, there are more ways, and experiences in other countries often point the way.

Perhaps vouchers schools are debatable but the lack of success in public schools isn't.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Interesting. Most of those that I know with college degrees are liberals. They are the one's who took education seriously, seeing it as a means to an end... the end result of being successful. Conservatives I know, however, failed to realize this, seeing college and education as a waste of time, looking down on those who choose to do so. "Strong" people could work hard and succeed without education. The absurdity of this statement... less education is better is always overlooked because of their dogmatism.

See? When you post like a hack, Erod, making your points look as idiotic as they are is really quite easy.
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The difference being, mine were posted with sincerity and truthfulness, while yours was an exercise in fantasy and deception.

Liberals aren't the folks paying the freight. And I only deal with and associate with those that can pay the freight.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Actually, the problem of education is a bipartisan one. Both parties continue to ignore actual research on effective education policies and continue to push ineffective education policies that are supported by many of their donors. Those donors tend to be business people and corporations who have MUCH more money than academics, teachers and others who know what to actually do to improve our system.
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Utter nonsense. Why would a corporation take interest in promoting ineffective education policies? You act like the people who run businesses are a bunch of Nazis trying to cull the population.

The way to improve the system is simply to get parents and students to give a crap. You can't teach those that don't want to be taught, or have no one to answer to if they don't learn.

Kids from good families learn. Those that don't, don't. Education comes from the home, not by dumping money on it from politicians claiming that will solve the problem.
 
Erod said:
US adults are dumber than the average human | New York Post




Not coincidentally, liberals now outnumber conservatives and are winning more and more elections without any intellectual merit to their platform whatsoever. Campaign strategies have to be designed at a third-grade level these days.

Dark, scary days ahead with this worthless, brainless voting bloc running things.
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Cattle are not the smartest animals in the world
 
Taylor said:
These data don't tell us anything about who's bringing the average down. This is a ranking of states based on completion of college - a small proportion of the population. I think that if you compare this with a ranking based on completion of high school, some of your "worst" states may become some of the best.
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Go ahead and prove your point (then the significance thereof), otherwise, by debate theory, rcart's point is prima facie ( in other words, he is winning)
 
American said:
No need to make this all controversial, just discuss it.
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Well, let's see....The first is comparing education to wages and the more education a black person has, the more money that he makes and the gap is narrowing....The second includes all minorities except Asians and says that poverty has more to do with educational achievement than almost anything else..So, what is your ****ing point?
 
Grant said:
Perhaps its good to compare educational standards over the years to see how much progress is being made, if any.

snopes.com: 1895 Exam
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The author of that states that students are not dumb for failing to score the 8th grade test of that time. The author states that America did not dumb down but switched perspectives. When comparing perspectives the students in 1898 may not score well in the tests of today neither. Also that students of today may not score too well with today's tests too but at least this trend is consistent with those times (i.e., most did not score "A's" then as well).

What is my take in this. I agree that it may be a change in how education is practiced. Knowing and maintaining info with rot memory was the methods then and they are not now. Books were terrible then and are more reaching to their audience of students now. Studying is less of a hazard/chore and more fun now.

Sure some students do not do well now but some did not do well then neither. Perspectives change and much of studying is left to the student. The willing and purposeful push onwards and the non-willing and lost need a boost.
 
Juanita said:
Well, let's see....The first is comparing education to wages and the more education a black person has, the more money that he makes and the gap is narrowing....The second includes all minorities except Asians and says that poverty has more to do with educational achievement than almost anything else..So, what is your ****ing point?
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Why aren't Asians included?
 
ChezC3 said:
That and they're wicked smart them peoples is...
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Asian americans are not smarter than any other american by default. There are plenty of good for nothing, gang-related criminal asians too. But their culture doesn't have the whole victimhood mentality on display and they don't encourage it. Similar to how say, blacks and latinos have a victim mentality that they enforce upon themselves and how white guilt is false and wrongfully fabricated every day in the media.
 
Rainman05 said:
Asian americans are not smarter than any other american by default. There are plenty of good for nothing, gang-related criminal asians too. But their culture doesn't have the whole victimhood mentality on display and they don't encourage it. Similar to how say, blacks and latinos have a victim mentality that they enforce upon themselves and how white guilt is false and wrongfully fabricated every day in the media.
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I believe you are trying to say Asians are more stoic...
 
ChezC3 said:
I believe you are trying to say Asians are more stoic...
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No, I'm stoic. As in, I actually read stoic philosophy as written by the romans... I say romans because most documents that survived were roman documents, greek documents regarding classical stoicism have been lost in their original.

No, Asians are just not stoic. People can become stoic through learning and discipline. It's not so much about race as about personality... if you're an overly emotional savage who can't control yourself you will only bring misfortune on yourself.

Anyway. What asians have is a culture that hasn't embraced professional victimhood. You don't see the NAACP making a case that tests should be easier because asians can't pass them. You don't see the NAACP making a case that the fire department in NYC should lower it's standards because no asians got in. You don't see such things because asians haven't mainstreamed in their culture the idea that they're victims. Why? Because there is nowhere in their history where they have embraced such a mentality or whereever it has been adopted, it was wiped out. American culture doesn't encourage victimhood. I'm talking about the real american culture, the kind that makes people want to become americans and move to america not the holywood, MTV crap. No asian culture of any background encourages people to think of themselves as helpless victims. So they don't have it. That's it. It's a small difference that makes all the difference in the world. It makes the difference between being the group that has a small drop-out rate to being the one that has huge drop-out rates. it makes the difference between being the one that gets the high paying, post-college jobs and working the minimum wage.
 
Erod said:
The difference being, mine were posted with sincerity and truthfulness, while yours was an exercise in fantasy and deception.
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No, yours were posted with dishonesty and a profound lack of understanding, whereas mine were posted with accuracy and consistency of universal observation.

Liberals aren't the folks paying the freight. And I only deal with and associate with those that can pay the freight.
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Conservatives aren't the folks who actually understand the value of education and how to use it. And I only deal with and associate with those who understand the value of education and actually use it.
 
Rainman05 said:
No, I'm stoic. As in, I actually read stoic philosophy as written by the romans... I say romans because most documents that survived were roman documents, greek documents regarding classical stoicism have been lost in their original.

No, Asians are just not stoic. People can become stoic through learning and discipline. It's not so much about race as about personality... if you're an overly emotional savage who can't control yourself you will only bring misfortune on yourself.

Anyway. What asians have is a culture that hasn't embraced professional victimhood. You don't see the NAACP making a case that tests should be easier because asians can't pass them. You don't see the NAACP making a case that the fire department in NYC should lower it's standards because no asians got in. You don't see such things because asians haven't mainstreamed in their culture the idea that they're victims. Why? Because there is nowhere in their history where they have embraced such a mentality or whereever it has been adopted, it was wiped out. American culture doesn't encourage victimhood. I'm talking about the real american culture, the kind that makes people want to become americans and move to america not the holywood, MTV crap. No asian culture of any background encourages people to think of themselves as helpless victims. So they don't have it. That's it. It's a small difference that makes all the difference in the world. It makes the difference between being the group that has a small drop-out rate to being the one that has huge drop-out rates. it makes the difference between being the one that gets the high paying, post-college jobs and working the minimum wage.
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I said stoic, not Stoic. Not saying you're not but reading the Stoics no more makes you stoic than reading People makes you a celebrity.


.Their culture not their skin tone is what I was referring to...
 
ChezC3 said:
I said stoic, not Stoic. Not saying you're not but reading the Stoics no more makes you stoic than reading People makes you a celebrity.


.Their culture not their skin tone is what I was referring to...
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What?

True, but putting it in practice does.
 
Grant said:
Stupid in America - YouTube
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So relying entirely on private schools is not such a good idea for I think this would move from monopoly to too much competition which may also not do any good. But I am in favor of providing more options to the seeking parents.

For instance there is this online education that is offered for both K-12 and higher education. What is keeping the parents from benefiting from European lecturers that you seem to favor more? It could be done online and for half the price that you are giving your lecturers now!
 
Rainman05 said:
Because their culture does not encourage being a professional victim.
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I am unaware that there is a culture that encourages victimhood.
As much as I'm flattered at your comments on our culture, I believe that you have a misconception about other cultures.
 
Proud South Korean said:
I am unaware that there is a culture that encourages victimhood.
As much as I'm flattered at your comments on our culture, I believe that you have a misconception about other cultures.
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It's an oversimplification for debating purposes. I can't write a wall of text for every notion that I bring up. I am not flattering you or your culture.

All countries who wish to prosper need to adopt a certain model for their society. And all people who wish to prosper within such societies need to play by the rules and adopt a healthy mentality. Korean culture is different than say... american or european in the way customs are made. Food, holidays, preference in literature, etc. It's not different in the values that they hold as true for prosperity and success. You can tweak them here and there, but the principle is true.
-Strong sense of identity and your role in society
-An economic model that values private enterprise in conjucture with public works.
-Good education model
-Respecting and investing in science and innovation
-Respecting human rights
-etc.

These values along with things like freedom of the press, democracy and freedom of expression and tolerance form a whole package which we here call western values.

No country that values stupidity and anti-education will ever prosper. A country that doesn't have a sense of unity and identity will surely succumb to civil war or at least some civil strife. No country that won't invest in science and innovation will ever be a world leader. etc

Anyway, above i wasn't talking about countries who have a victim mentality, though there may be some, I was talking about subcultures in america that promote victimhood. Basically all subcultures that are related to the NAACP and form their primary interest have a victimhood mentality. And I was saying that asian american subculture doesn't have that streak of victimhood mentality that is so popular in the NAACP repertoire.
 
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