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Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

Conservative can't keep track of all his "shuffles"

Winston, for whatever reason you seem to have fixation with me. I suggest you stick to the thread topic or one would believe you are stalking me.
 
I will be very happy to deal with facts but you don't understand the term. What you don't happen to understand is that we don't have an economy growing fast enough to handle a 17 trillion dollar debt and healthcare is an expense that this country cannot afford. Healthcare is a personal responsibility that is best handled at the state and local level since that is where the expense rests. You have no problem giving the Federal bureaucrats another slush fund since they have done so well with the SS and Medicare funds.

I am waiting for you to post the numbers that you claim are wrong and to cite the sources you find credible since bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury don't qualify in your world. Everything to you that goes against your ideology is propaganda even when backed by facts.

LOL....so are you seriously attempting to claim that all of those opposed to the ACA are opposed because they are against it for the reasons the teabaggers are?
 
Yeah, I did as the option was Gore and Kerry. Would do it again and unlike you I don't distort the Bush record based upon one year performance.

You aren't fooling anyone Con....you would have us believe that the only reason you voted for GWB Twice was because you didn't like the alternative? LOl....you are infatuated by the man.
 
LOL....so are you seriously attempting to claim that all of those opposed to the ACA are opposed because they are against it for the reasons the teabaggers are?

If being a teabagger irritates people like you then call me a teabagger. A single payer system in this country would be a disaster as the country is too large, too much geography, and too many Americans loving their freedom. There isn't a govt. program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do that didn't leave the country with a massive entitlement program that the country cannot afford. Yet for some reason liberal arrogance will never admit reality.
 
I don't report people, I just ignore them like I do often with you and will continue to do.

And I'll keep on pointing out your misinformation, misdirections and shuffles...
 
You aren't fooling anyone Con....you would have us believe that the only reason you voted for GWB Twice was because you didn't like the alternative? LOl....you are infatuated by the man.

Yeah, have him over to dinner all the time, we play golf a lot, and just hang out. You judge everyone else by your own standards and therein lies the problem. You have no standards, you have no ability to review a resume, you have no ability to think on your own. In other words you are an Obamabot.
 
If being a teabagger irritates people like you then call me a teabagger. A single payer system in this country would be a disaster as the country is too large, too much geography, and too many Americans loving their freedom. There isn't a govt. program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do that didn't leave the country with a massive entitlement program that the country cannot afford. Yet for some reason liberal arrogance will never admit reality.

Who is talking about "single payer". All I am pointing out is that you guys LOVE to cite numbers about how many people are against the ACA...but if you look at the actual numbers. A large chunk of those who do not support the ACA are people such as myself who think that the ACA doesn't go far enough. I would have preferred a public option rather than the Heritage Foundation/Republican individual mandate waterdown that we got. At least be half way honest about it.
 
Conservative can't keep track of all his "shuffles"

And who could keep up with such a well thought out argument; shuffle, shuffle, and more shuffle? It's brilliant!
Shhh... okay, little left wing secret here. Keep off topic, speak jibberish, distort the facts. Just stay away from the truth at all costs!
 
Yeah, have him over to dinner all the time, we play golf a lot, and just hang out. You judge everyone else by your own standards and therein lies the problem. You have no standards, you have no ability to review a resume, you have no ability to think on your own. In other words you are an Obamabot.

LOL...do you HONESTLY believe that anyone here believes that you voted for GWB (Twice) simply because you didn't like the alternative? Honestly.......who do you think actually believes that when you have the man as your Avatar?.....Who are you trying to fool?
 
Who is talking about "single payer". All I am pointing out is that you guys LOVE to cite numbers about how many people are against the ACA...but if you look at the actual numbers. A large chunk of those who do not support the ACA are people such as myself who think that the ACA doesn't go far enough. I would have preferred a public option rather than the Heritage Foundation/Republican individual mandate waterdown that we got. At least be half way honest about it.

A public option run by whom that does what? Have the liberal elites told you what that means? The liberal elite take advantage of the ignorance of far too many, that is why we have Obama and people like you still blaming Bush. You have yet to refute the fact that healthcare is a personal responsibility and that the debt incurred by the uninsured rests in the states not the Federal taxpayers. Why would anyone support another entitlement program to handle a personal social issue?
 
LOL...do you HONESTLY believe that anyone here believes that you voted for GWB (Twice) simply because you didn't like the alternative? Honestly.......who do you think actually believes that when you have the man as your Avatar?.....Who are you trying to fool?

You are way too quick for me and see that I respect leadership and someone who does what they say they are going to do and has the respect of the military. That man is in my avatar to refute the belief of people like you that he didn't command the respect of our military and that means a lot to me.
 
You are way too quick for me and see that I respect leadership and someone who does what they say they are going to do and has the respect of the military. That man is in my avatar to refute the belief of people like you that he didn't command the respect of our military and that means a lot to me.

You aren't fooling a soul Conservative. You bend over backwards attempting to rehabilitate his failed legacy at every opportunity. No one but a fool would believe that you only voted for him because you despised the alternative.
 
You aren't fooling a soul Conservative. You bend over backwards attempting to rehabilitate his failed legacy at every opportunity. No one but a fool would believe that you only voted for him because you despised the alternative.

It isn't for me to rehabilitate his legacy that will be up to historians but when that rehabilitation occurs I really fear for your mental health. You have too much invested in hatred based upon economic and civics ignorance. You tell me why any CONSERVATIVE would vote for Gore or Kerry? I cannot believe the ignorance of people like you
 
It isn't for me to rehabilitate his legacy that will be up to historians but when that rehabilitation occurs I really fear for your mental health. You have too much invested in hatred based upon economic and civics ignorance. You tell me why any CONSERVATIVE would vote for Gore or Kerry? I cannot believe the ignorance of people like you

Oh I'm sure there were a lot of people who didn't like GWB (especially the second time around) who voted for him nevertheless because they disliked Kerry even more. You, however, are not one of those people. It is abundantly clear that you voted for him for other reasons.
 
Oh I'm sure there were a lot of people who didn't like GWB (especially the second time around) who voted for him nevertheless because they disliked Kerry even more. You, however, are not one of those people. It is abundantly clear that you voted for him for other reasons.

Yes, I voted for him because Kerry was the alternative and because the economic results in 2004 were headed improving dramatically, economic results that you would never understand, lower unemployment, growing labor force, strong economic growth, and more personal income due to the July 2003 tax cuts.
 
Yes, I voted for him because Kerry was the alternative and because the economic results in 2004 were headed improving dramatically, economic results that you would never understand, lower unemployment, growing labor force, strong economic growth, and more personal income due to the July 2003 tax cuts.

LOL...and look were that got us.....DOH! ....oh....whoops...I forget, you still believe that GWB led America to the land of economic utopia.
 
Huh...a 60/58/59 (!?!) split among independents on who they are "angry" at.......but they don't care who is to "blame" (!?!)....they just want things to work again!

Since you are apparently speaking for all independents, all 177% of them, is the POTUS "playing with their lives" when he wants them to have health insurance? That is, after all, what this is all about.

Like most partisans, right and left you miss the point. I am not speaking for all independents, no one can speak for 100% of any group and independents are such a diverse group all one can do is get a feel about them, polls of course help. The thing that is happening is the reasons why, the wherefores, the blame, etc gets lost. Independents except a very few do not following the workings of Washington D.C. and the mundane workings of politics and government. What I am say, they can see the government is shut down, they heard of dire consequences of the debt ceiling not being raised. The know in their hearts and mind their government is not working the way it should. They may or may not know the reasons and may or may not know how party politics work. Most just vote for the a candidate and not a party. They see at the moment government is broke and want it fixed. It is quite simple.

They aren't at the moment worried about the ACA, about sequester, about future debt, about what everyone on this site is so hot and bothered about. They at this moment do not care about any of this stuff, they just want government to get back to work and how that happens, what one party gives and the other party takes is irrelavent to them at this moment. Get back to work government is what they are saying, to those in washington, get off your high horse and solve this thing.

now a month, six weeks, six months, the ACA or other political issues might become important to them, some will and some won't. But that is unimportant to them today, right now, at this moment. Getting the government back up running is. Do you understand?
 
Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Very well stated! People in this country, on both sides of the aisle, are angry and disgusted, and are openly asking "WTH is going on with the idiots in DC?," ...and I've personally heard them say it!

Our legislators are there to govern this country, not play games of one-up-man-ship with each other! We've got serious problems to be handled, and they're playing games? Insane! :2mad:

Agreed, but that is today politics, insanity.
 
Originally Posted by disneydude
Oh I'm sure there were a lot of people who didn't like GWB (especially the second time around) who voted for him nevertheless because they disliked Kerry even more. You, however, are not one of those people. It is abundantly clear that you voted for him for other reasons.

This is a great example of the dysfunction of the liberal mind. More than one post stating how sure he is that he knows why you voted that way, better than you do. Absolutely fascinating stuff! A little insight into where that big, all powerful, all controlling government mindset comes from. Of course the government knows better on how to spend your money. The reason; they just do. Obviously, no logical reason at all, just dysfunctional thinking.

That is how the liberal mind works, they usually just can't help it, it's been ingrained into their thinking. Very few have the self-honesty and courage to admit that it is all wrong. But it does happen, and I suspect it might start happening more with the more outrageous policies they are asked to follow.
 
LOL...and look were that got us.....DOH! ....oh....whoops...I forget, you still believe that GWB led America to the land of economic utopia.

It really is a waste of time dealing with people like you who lack even the basic civics skills and are nothing more that partisan hacks. I suggest you learn how the govt. works, who holds the purse strings, and the legislative dealings then go to BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and the U.S. Treasury to verify what happened and when. You will see an entirely different story that what the left tells you but I don't expect someone from the bankrupt state of California to understand the numbers there.

You want to continue to demonize Bush five years after leaving office, be my guest but all you do is show a bad case of BDS that needs serious treatment. All that does is divert from the mess we have in the WH today and the terrible economic results we have. You want to believe the leftwing rhetoric so badly that it destroys logic and common sense. You are getting exactly what California has and you want with Obama, massive debts, more entitlements, stagnant economic growth, and an entitlement mentality. It does appear that is exactly what you need and why you demonize Bush so much because he didn't give you that.
 
This is a great example of the dysfunction of the liberal mind. More than one post stating how sure he is that he knows why you voted that way, better than you do. Absolutely fascinating stuff! A little insight into where that big, all powerful, all controlling government mindset comes from. Of course the government knows better on how to spend your money. The reason; they just do. Obviously, no logical reason at all, just dysfunctional thinking.

That is how the liberal mind works, they usually just can't help it, it's been ingrained into their thinking. Very few have the self-honesty and courage to admit that it is all wrong. But it does happen, and I suspect it might start happening more with the more outrageous policies they are asked to follow.

No...its more about being able to know Bull **** when you see it.
 
No...its more about being able to know Bull **** when you see it.

You have to be able to recognise reality without bias first before you can distinguish BS. You've successfully demonstrated here you don't possess that ability. Anthony60 nailed it.
 
You have to be able to recognise reality without bias first before you can distinguish BS. You've successfully demonstrated here you don't possess that ability. Anthony60 nailed it.

LOL....you would have to be completely blind to "Conservatives" posting history to believe that he voted for GWB because he was the least horrible of a bad lot. I doubt there is anyone on this site (that is being honest) that doesn't recognize that are complete BS. Sorry....just calling it how it is.
 
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