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Republicans Lose Ground vs. Obama in the Shutdown Blame Game

Unitedwestand13 said:
Most people don't want to get sick because the food was not checked things like somonella.

And people don't want to get sick from measles because no one knew there was a vaccine for it.
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Boo hoo...

Do you realize the reality of these inspections?

Listen to the news much? Most contamination is not spotted till someone gets sick. It's already too late.
 
Conservative said:
No, didn't leave it out at all, the debt was 5.7 trillion when he took office and when he left it was 10.6 trillion that is a 4.9 trillion dollar debt. 1 trillion of that was due to 9/11 or are you one of those liberals who said they wouldn't forget but did? Obama took office with a 10.6 trillion debt that is now approaching 17 trillion. Bush added that debt in 8 years, Obama added his in 5. Your numbers and mine are very close but mine are accurate according to the Treasury Dept site I gave you but here it is again.

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

This will give you deficit by day and you can see the debt on January 21, 2009

Here is the yearly debt

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

Since the taxpayers pay debt service on the debt it would benefit you if you copied these links and used them in the future to prevent yourself from looking foolish.
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So by your figures....GWB is responsible for about 5 trillion....Obama for about 6. And yet.....you still consider GWB to be an economic genius and cry and whine at every step about Obama? Seems to me that they are pretty equal compared to the debt that occurred during their terms. Why the disparate treatment from you Con? Surely it has more to do with than just the (R)?
 
disneydude said:
Congress plays a big part but ultimately it is judged by the President's policies and ability to promote his agenda. People like Conservative want to put ALL of the blame on the President when the President is a Democrat....and all of the blame on Congress when the President is a Republican.
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Well, I'm not most people. I realize that the constitution give the house the purse strings.
 
disneydude said:
Congress plays a big part but ultimately it is judged by the President's policies and ability to promote his agenda. People like Conservative want to put ALL of the blame on the President when the President is a Democrat....and all of the blame on Congress when the President is a Republican.
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Again, where did I put all the blame on the President? You make things up a lot and when challenged you never back up your statements. You are the one with the double standard, since Congress is responsible for the debt just like Obama then Congress is responsible for tanking the economy just like Bush. Now we are getting somewhere.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Boo hoo...

Do you realize the reality of these inspections?

Listen to the news much? Most contamination is not spotted till someone gets sick. It's already too late.
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The inspections are meant to find the source of the contamination and fix it before more people get sick
 
danarhea said:
Doesn't matter. People don't like the end result. Period. It takes one hell of a lot of douche baggery to end up with 5 percent approval.
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Just more of a diversion as I pointed out, nice talking points for people who are incapable of thinking. Would like to see the internals of that and an additional poll asking the same person if they are happy with their Representative.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Well, I'm not most people. I realize that the constitution give the house the purse strings.
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Agreed...although I didn't say "most people" ....I said people like "Conservative". The reality is, while both are responsible ultimately it is the President who is judged by his terms.
 
Conservative said:
Again, where did I put all the blame on the President? You make things up a lot and when challenged you never back up your statements. You are the one with the double standard, since Congress is responsible for the debt just like Obama then Congress is responsible for tanking the economy just like Bush. Now we are getting somewhere.
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LOl....except, Con....everytime you talk about Bush...its all about the "Democratic Congress" fault...when you talk about Obama...its all Obama's fault. You are too much.....really.
 
disneydude said:
So by your figures....GWB is responsible for about 5 trillion....Obama for about 6. And yet.....you still consider GWB to be an economic genius and cry and whine at every step about Obama? Seems to me that they are pretty equal compared to the debt that occurred during their terms. Why the disparate treatment from you Con? Surely it has more to do with than just the (R)?
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Love it, same wild accusations and nothing to back it up. Still waiting for the quote where I claimed Bush was an economic genius. I do love your distortion of reality though forgetting that the Bush debt was created in 8 years and the Obama debt was created in 5. I am sure that is just an oversight on your part as you wouldn't want to intentionally mislead anyone, right?
 
disneydude said:
Agreed...although I didn't say "most people" ....I said people like "Conservative". The reality is, while both are responsible ultimately it is the President who is judged by his terms.
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Yes, most liberals incorrectly judge only the president.

I don't agree with your "like conservative" statement. GOP, maybe. However, how many republicans are actually conservatives?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The inspections are meant to find the source of the contamination and fix it before more people get sick
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So let me see if I have this right, produce is sent to D.C. for inspection then back to the states? Sounds like wasted expense to me
 
disneydude said:
LOl....except, Con....everytime you talk about Bush...its all about the "Democratic Congress" fault...when you talk about Obama...its all Obama's fault. You are too much.....really.
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No, Bush had a totally Democrat Congress in 2007-2008 or did you forget? When did the economic numbers turn south? Since Congress was under Democrat control and the recession began in December 2007 the first full year of Democrat control it would seem that your logic would indicate that the Democrat Congress is responsible for those economic results just like Bush?
 
Conservative said:
So let me see if I have this right, produce is sent to D.C. for inspection then back to the states? Sounds like wasted expense to me
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funny how these liberals are gasping for straws.

Yes, gasping. Not grasping. They seem not to be able to hold on to any!
 
disneydude said:
President Bush And The National Debt - CBS News
It was 5.7 trillion.....so I should have said closer to 6 trillion than 5 trillion....nevertheless, GWB took the debt from 5.7 trillion to almost 11 trillion. (Something that you conveniently always leave out....why so Con? Don't want to accept any of the responsibility for the debt on behalf of your hero?
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To bad the Dems running congress back then didn't do like the GOP is now, uh?

Go ahead and show us when the Dems made a stand during Bushes presidency against wasteful government over spending. Oh, that's right. You can't ...imagine that.
 
Conservative said:
Your opinion noted however you have yet to prove that any of the data I have posted is false.
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It's not opinion Con, it's FACT you are hypocritical and lie. I have the posts showing that.

Your data is not what I have issues with, it's your conclusions about how those facts come about which are your OPINION.

I can beat you to death all day with verifiable data showing you to be exactly who you are, a typical third party whiner.
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Data that you are hypocritical? Sure, we've seen it in your posts and you ain't beating nobody with it Con.
 
Conservative said:
Love it, same wild accusations and nothing to back it up. Still waiting for the quote where I claimed Bush was an economic genius. I do love your distortion of reality though forgetting that the Bush debt was created in 8 years and the Obama debt was created in 5. I am sure that is just an oversight on your part as you wouldn't want to intentionally mislead anyone, right?
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Conservative....your posts speak for themselves. Look at your Avatar for God's sake....you worship the ground that GWB walks on and jump at every opportunity to flail and flounder trying to rehabilitate his failed legacy. Its never his fault with you....its always the fault of the Democrats that were in office....yet, with Obama...its always Obama's fault and nothing is said about the Republicans in Congress. I don't need to mislead as to your history...your posts speak for themselves. Like here....as I have said, Obama is no saint when it comes to creating debt, but yet, you've done nothing but spin and try to rationalize your hero's piece of history in contributing a great deal to that 17 trillion dollar figure. In fact, I suspect we'll see more attempts to spin and justify his record, because you cannot resist the uncontrollable need to try at all costs to defend your hero's failed legacy.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
To bad the Dems running congress back then didn't do like the GOP is now, uh?

Go ahead and show us when the Dems made a stand during Bushes presidency against wasteful government over spending. Oh, that's right. You can't ...imagine that.
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And is it my imagination, or did the annual deficits skyrocket after the democrats took over the house...
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, most liberals incorrectly judge only the president.

I don't agree with your "like conservative" statement. GOP, maybe. However, how many republicans are actually conservatives?
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yep, I am a conservative, grew up a Conservative Democrat but party affiliation has never been a big thing to me. I remain a conservative which today has no place in the Democrat Party. The Republican Party is closer to my point of view.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
To bad the Dems running congress back then didn't do like the GOP is now, uh?

Go ahead and show us when the Dems made a stand during Bushes presidency against wasteful government over spending. Oh, that's right. You can't ...imagine that.
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You are correct. The Dems did not resort to the same type of extortionist tactics that your teabaggers do. Oh...and wait....their teabaggery has nothing to do about the budget....why again won't Boehner put the budget to an up/down vote and continues to hold the American people hostage?
 
TheNextEra said:
It's not opinion Con, it's FACT you are hypocritical and lie. I have the posts showing that.

Your data is not what I have issues with, it's your conclusions about how those facts come about which are your OPINION.



Data that you are hypocritical? Sure, we've seen it in your posts and you ain't beating nobody with it Con.
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So you make statements that you cannot back up? Guess there is no more reason to post to you
 
Lord of Planar said:
Yes, most liberals incorrectly judge only the president.

I don't agree with your "like conservative" statement. GOP, maybe. However, how many republicans are actually conservatives?
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You misunderstood me...I'm not talking "conservatives" in general. I'm referring to "Conservative" the poster here at DP.
 
Conservative said:
So you make statements that you cannot back up? Guess there is no more reason to post to you
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What statements that I can't back up? You made excuses for Bush's debt and even supported it in your posts. You have lied by accusing me of being a liberal which I am not.

So please tell me which statements I haven't backed up Con.
 
disneydude said:
Conservative....your posts speak for themselves. Look at your Avatar for God's sake....you worship the ground that GWB walks on and jump at every opportunity to flail and flounder trying to rehabilitate his failed legacy. Its never his fault with you....its always the fault of the Democrats that were in office....yet, with Obama...its always Obama's fault and nothing is said about the Republicans in Congress. I don't need to mislead as to your history...your posts speak for themselves. Like here....as I have said, Obama is no saint when it comes to creating debt, but yet, you've done nothing but spin and try to rationalize your hero's piece of history in contributing a great deal to that 17 trillion dollar figure. In fact, I suspect we'll see more attempts to spin and justify his record, because you cannot resist the uncontrollable need to try at all costs to defend your hero's failed legacy.
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My Avatar is right on, that is what the military thinks of Bush and has nothing to do with economics all about respect the military has for Bush. Let me know when you find the quote that Bush is an economic genius.
 
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