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Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Did you ready any of my post, dude? :lol:
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Yes, I did. Especially this part here.

Secondly, what we are seeing right now is not women taking roles "traditionally assigned to men." What we are seeing -- especially in poor states -- is women taking ALL roles. Not only working, but also being the only caretaker of children -- even if they're married, in some cases. That's a very different thing.
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Did you not get my point, Dude?
 
Grant said:
Too bad. You copied that longer post, right?
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Nope. I'm a writer, and I happen to be educated. Feel free to try to find any part of it anywhere else on the internet. I'm just that good.
 
jmotivator said:
You keep saying i that I gave up all rights to comment when I didn't read your links... BUT YOU DIDN'T READ YOUR LINKS.
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Where are you getting this nosense from? You simply make it up as you go along.

First you tell me what I said when I did not say it.
Then you tell me what I did not read when I was the one who did read it and you were the one who did not.
 
haymarket said:
Where are you getting this nosense from? You simply make it up as you go along.
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So show me you read them because you seem intensely reticent to quote them so far.
 
jmotivator said:
So show me you read them because you seem intensely reticent to quote them so far.
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Like my kids used to say when they were in high school...... duh! I found the damn quotes. I only used them because I did read them and found information in them which establishes the point that I made that women are working outside the home while still performing the various household tasks and children related responsibilities.

You - on the other hand - had the temerity and nerve to reject them a full 180 seconds later and it is painfully obvious that you had not read them.

Then - you had the even worse nerve to attempt to get me to spoon feed to you what you would not read yourself but still rejected. Normally I would be happy to cite the section of a quote to increase its clarification if the person had shown some measure of reading it or attempting to comprehend it. But you did the complete and total opposite in rejecting the information without even reading it.

Your intellectual dishonesty will NOT be rewarded by me.

Your laziness will NOT be rewarded by me.

What makes you think you can make up somebody elses position and then argue against what you yourself made up? Do others allow you to do that because its not going to happen here with me.
 
haymarket said:
Like my kids used to say when they were in high school...... duh! I found the damn quotes. I only used them because I did read them and found information in them which establishes the point that I made that women are working outside the home while still performing the various household tasks and children related responsibilities.

You - on the other hand - had the temerity and nerve to reject them a full 180 seconds later and it is painfully obvious that you had not read them.

Then - you had the even worse nerve to attempt to get me to spoon feed to you what you would not read yourself but still rejected. Normally I would be happy to cite the section of a quote to increase its clarification if the person had shown some measure of reading it or attempting to comprehend it. But you did the complete and total opposite in rejecting the information without even reading it.

Your intellectual dishonesty will NOT be rewarded by me.

Your laziness will NOT be rewarded by me.

What makes you think you can make up somebody elses position and then argue against what you yourself made up? Do others allow you to do that because its not going to happen here with me.
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Still haven't actually demonstrated that you read them. So obviously you haven't read them.
 
Middleground said:
If dying younger is the trade off from being a slave, then **** yeah, I'm elated.
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When were women slaves? :roll: Oh, maybe you mean when men opened car doors for them and threw their raincoats over puddles for them to walk across. Not that I ever did the rain coat thing but I saw it in a movie once.:lol:
 
jmotivator said:
Still haven't actually demonstrated that you read them. So obviously you haven't read them.
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The only thing that is obvious is that you are making crap up as you go along. If I had not read the content of the links I posted which backed up my statement that women were working outside the home while still doing household work and child raising - how the hell did I know to post them? Explain that to us. How the hell did I know to use those and not others which would not contain that same content?

Not only do you make it up as you go along but what you make up makes no sense and fails to stand up to any scrutiny.

Just look at how you have retreated backwards in this discussion and now you are reduced to pathetic whining that even though I gave you a whole series of links to prove my point - and YOU DID NOT READ THEM as was obvious by your three minute dismissal of all of them right after I posted them - you now act like you are some psychic jesus who can read minds through the internet and decide I did not read what I had to read to post in the first place.

Your routine is simply nonsense.
 
haymarket said:
The only thing that is obvious is that you are making crap up as you go along. If I had not read the content of the links I posted which backed up my statement that women were working outside the home while still doing household work and child raising - how the hell did I know to post them? Explain that to us. How the hell did I know to use those and not others which would not contain that same content?
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You are so comical. So show me in your evidence where it says anything about household work and child rearing. I got more out of my brief skim than you did, apparently. I mean, one of them, if I recall, was an "About Us" site for the Department of Labor, for crying out loud. None of them make your initial point that single parents have a lower life expectancy, all they do is say more women are working. You could have saved the time you spent gathering those articles (albeit not reading them, obviously) because nobody is arguing that women are in the workplace more now than before.

But that is what I said they said way back when with a brief scan. I would presume you did something very similar. YOu certainly didn't read them all the way through if you thought they said anything anbout housework.

Or maybe they DID say something about housework.. but you'd never know, having not read them.


Not only do you make it up as you go along but what you make up makes no sense and fails to stand up to any scrutiny.
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So I said after my perusal of your evidence that they were concerned with women in the workforce and none of them made your point that single mothers live shorter lives. That hasn't changed. They still say what I said they say, and they still don't help your argument.


Just look at how you have retreated backwards in this discussion and now you are reduced to pathetic whining that even though I gave you a whole series of links to prove my point - and YOU DID NOT READ THEM as was obvious by your three minute dismissal of all of them right after I posted them - you now act like you are some psychic jesus who can read minds through the internet and decide I did not read what I had to read to post in the first place.
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This is projection. YOU didn't read them. It's clear you don't actually know what the links say because you still seem to think they say something about housework...


Your routine is simply nonsense.
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You still haven't read your own evidence and insist on arguing they say something that they don't. Your routine is pathetic.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
When were women slaves? :roll: Oh, maybe you mean when men opened car doors for them and threw their raincoats over puddles for them to walk across. Not that I ever did the rain coat thing but I saw it in a movie once.:lol:
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Are you ****ing kidding me? I hope you're not because I doubt anyone can be this uninformed and naive. My paternal grandmother had 18 kids. She tended to the house and the farm animals all while making sure everyone was fed, had clean clothes and that grandpa always had a sammich. Yeah, simply ****ing glamourous, I tell ya. :doh :lol:
 
That's it, no more housework for me! Housework kills! :mrgreen:
 
Middleground said:
Are you ****ing kidding me? I hope you're not because I doubt anyone can be this uninformed and naive. My paternal grandmother had 18 kids. She tended to the house and the farm animals all while making sure everyone was fed, had clean clothes and that grandpa always had a sammich. Yeah, simply ****ing glamourous, I tell ya. :doh :lol:
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Talk to rouge, she says women in those days had it easy.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Scroll back a ways. I tried to tell her women from previous generations had it ten times harder than women today. She said their kids were dirty, their house was dirty and they didn't care.

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Complete misrepresentation of the argument I gave. But at least you tend to be consistent in this aspect.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Scroll back a ways. I tried to tell her women from previous generations had it ten times harder than women today. She said their kids were dirty, their house was dirty and they didn't care.

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You are the one that is naive and uninformed. The fact that you are trying to pass this off to someone else shows your lack of character.
 
jmotivator said:
You are so comical. So show me in your evidence where it says anything about household work and child rearing.
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Aha!!!!. :doh So if somebody in a position of authority does not tell you that a five year study of three million woman conducted in a lab by experts prove that women engage in childhood rearing tasks and household work then you do not accept that they do. :roll:

You have just announced to all that you have passed up Alice in falling down the rabbit hole and are about to have tea with the Mad Hatter. One has to seriously wonder where exactly you live that you would even question such a reality. :roll:

None of them make your initial point that single parents have a lower life expectancy, all they do is say more women are working.
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I previously challenged you to reproduce the quote from me where I stated what you claim in my "initial point". And you were impotent to produce such a thing. Instead you took other things I said and attempted to twist them, to pervert them, to fill in the blanks with your own nonsense, and basically craft what you wanted to be my position for me so you can argue against what you want to argue. Not only is that intellectually dishonest in the extreme - but after you have been called out on it and you failed to provide the appropriate quote you continue to engage in this fraud. This is pathetic.

I would presume you did something very similar.
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And there is your major malfunction. You PRESUME that I am as lazy as you are. You PRESUME that I do not read the information because you do not read the information. You PRESUME that I have the same basic flaws in debate as you just admitted to.

Don't PRESUME. It just makes you look foolish when you are called out for it and have to admit the error of your own ways as you just did.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Talk to rouge, she says women in those days had it easy.
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I never once said they had it easy. I simply said that their tasks were different and they didn't work 10 times harder than those women of today or from when we first had "modern conveniences" in a large majority of households. I said the expectations are different. You cannot be expected to do laundry for 20 people every single day when you have to carry it down to a brook and beat it out with stones, plus do other things such as make the meals. And they only had a few outfits each, max in most households. But by God today if someone has 18 children you better believe they have several washers and dryers and a massive utilities bill, not to mention at least a week's worth of clothing for each person. But they still have to make dinner for all those people, and they have to go grocery shopping and ensure everyone gets medical and dental checkups regularly. And they are expected to disinfect their cooking/eating surfaces and their dishes and their bathrooms (since they no longer use an outhouse or the woods). Plus, on top of all this, they are also expected to take their kids to school and activities, unlike in the past, when most people just allowed their children to run off and do that stuff on their own because it was all nearby and generally not organized.

It was different times that you are trying to compare and say that they had it so much harder that women are treated like princesses now because they can work. It simply isn't true. A good amount of women work and still do many of the household chores. They may not work as hard as some women in the past did, but they certainly don't have it 10x easier either. Not comparing average to average.
 
Middleground said:
You are the one that is naive and uninformed. The fact that you are trying to pass this off to someone else shows your lack of character.
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Read post 132. She said exactly what I said she said. I'm on your side here, women in those days busted ass but Rouge thinks they didn't. You are just sticking with her cuz women stick together.
 
roguenuke said:
I never once said they had it easy. I simply said that their tasks were different and they didn't work 10 times harder than those women of today or from when we first had "modern conveniences" in a large majority of households. I said the expectations are different. You cannot be expected to do laundry for 20 people every single day when you have to carry it down to a brook and beat it out with stones, plus do other things such as make the meals. And they only had a few outfits each, max in most households. But by God today if someone has 18 children you better believe they have several washers and dryers and a massive utilities bill, not to mention at least a week's worth of clothing for each person. But they still have to make dinner for all those people, and they have to go grocery shopping and ensure everyone gets medical and dental checkups regularly. And they are expected to disinfect their cooking/eating surfaces and their dishes and their bathrooms (since they no longer use an outhouse or the woods). Plus, on top of all this, they are also expected to take their kids to school and activities, unlike in the past, when most people just allowed their children to run off and do that stuff on their own because it was all nearby and generally not organized.

It was different times that you are trying to compare and say that they had it so much harder that women are treated like princesses now because they can work. It simply isn't true. A good amount of women work and still do many of the household chores. They may not work as hard as some women in the past did, but they certainly don't have it 10x easier either. Not comparing average to average.
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Lets compare women today to women then. Today they go to the air conditioned super market with pleasant music playing and pick pre made meals off the shelves to stick in the micro wave. Then they went out to the garden in the blazing sun and picked vegetables to bring in and make dinner over a hot wood stove from scratch. Today they toss a load of laundry into the washing machine and while that is being done they watch a little TV or go out on the deck and work on their tan. Then they boiled water again over a hot wood stove, poured it into a big bucket and washed each piece of clothing by hand over a scrub board. I could go on all day but surly you get my point. Just admit you are wrong and move on.:)
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Read post 132. She said exactly what I said she said. I'm on your side here, women in those days busted ass but Rouge thinks they didn't. You are just sticking with her cuz women stick together.
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Really? You can't look at my name. It isn't "rouge", it's "rogue".
 
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