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Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

Gardener said:
Like it's women's fault that so many men are immature, so do not take any responsibility for their fatherhood?
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Its their fault that they put the man in a position where not taking that responsibility is an option.
 
vesper said:
I don't believe this has to do with obesity or other things mentioned as it does with poverty. The article stated white female dropouts. The number one reason for a female to drop out of school is pregnancy. No education and a single mom is the equation for a struggling life. As I looked at the map, those who have strong pro-life beliefs are where the decrease in life expectancy occur. Where abortions are frequently used as a means of birth control such as the Northeast, Southwest, it is less of an issue. Even in these areas you find southern Oregon and the northern part of California tend to be very pro-life and the risk is highest in this area. But around Portland where it is very liberal as well as the rest of California it's not.
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I don't know. Teen pregnancy is at the lowest its been since the 1940s. There really aren't as many teens getting pregnant, not even counting abortions.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57411981-10391704/u.s-teen-pregnancy-rates-at-an-all-time-low-across-all-ethnicities/
 
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ReformCollege said:
On some days it rains. On other days it doesn't. What exactly is your point here? If the woman was not raped, she most certainly had plenty of input into that decision.
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I would have thought you were aware that even married women end up divorced through no fault of thier own.
 
roguenuke said:
In most households.

Working women 'still do housework' | Mail Online

Women do more, even if both them and their husbands/boyfriends are working the same amount.
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*sigh* - no kidding. I'm getting ready, right now, to walk outside and find the compressor to pump up my van tires - while my husband takes a nap on the couch.

LOL The irony. I took a nap last night and dinner burned. LOL
 
LowDown said:
...Scientists Baffled by Shocking Trend



The increase in unmarried single mothers, the increase in women in the work force, the rise of alcohol, tobacco and drug abuse, the dissolution of the poor white community and the social support and religious and moral traditions that go with it would be my guesses as to why.

Men, on the other hand, are living a little longer, and the difference between male and female life spans is decreasing. American men's longevity was about 7.8 years shorter than women's in 1972 but the difference dropped to 5 years in 2005. Perhaps women pay a price when they take on the roles traditionally assigned to men, especially the role of sole breadwinner.
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ChrisL said:
I think obesity probably plays a role. Today's women are not getting as much exercise and don't eat right either. I also wonder how much stress plays a role.
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MarineTpartier said:
Without reading the article or your comments I can answer the title of the article in one simple thought. Because they're fat. Just like men are.
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Really, because they are fat? Not because they aren't religious? I dunno seems like a fishy answer to me, didn't Noah live to be like 900? Its right there in the Bible.
 
Arcana XV said:
Also, I agree this is more a problem with an unhealthy lifestyle than anything else. Stop smoking, don't drink excessively, eat a balanced diet, lose weight and exercise regularly and chances are you'll live a little longer no matter how stressful your life is.
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While I do agree that people should strive to stop smoking, I can't see smoking as really playing a major role here. The amount of smokers has been going down pretty steadily for the last 50 years or more and women have always been less likely to smoke than men.

CDC - Trends in Current Cigarette Smoking - Smoking & Tobacco Use

And the drinking trend has stayed pretty constant as well (although it did go up slightly in the early 2000s).

CDC - Data, Trends, and Maps - Alcohol

Now, I do think a more sedentary lifestyle, not getting enough exercise, eating horribly, and having more stress definitely plays a key role here.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
*sigh* - no kidding. I'm getting ready, right now, to walk outside and find the compressor to pump up my van tires - while my husband takes a nap on the couch.

LOL The irony. I took a nap last night and dinner burned. LOL
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I stay at home, so doing most of the housework for me is expected and fair. But I do get a little annoyed when the only time I work, one weekend a month, I still end up also having to cook dinner 90% of the time, while my husband is also off those days.
 
roguenuke said:
I stay at home, so doing most of the housework for me is expected and fair. But I do get a little annoyed when the only time I work, one weekend a month, I still end up also having to cook dinner 90% of the time, while my husband is also off those days.
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Mmhmm! Every now and then I take a break - whether they like it or not.

The sound of the compressor woke my husband up, he walked outside and said "did you check to see what PSI it is?"

"Yeah, it said 60!"

- It was funny as hell until he realized I was kidding.
 
LowDown said:
No, you didn't. The authors are just . . .
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The authors are just using a few statistics to support their view on Obamacare via this article, actually. Nothing more, nothing less. You don't see this as a political hackjob article?

Go to a different one:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/04/study-life-span-women/1963093/

Here's the actual study results - rather than seeing it through a politically biased filter:
http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2012/11_0120.htm

. . . just a different bit of food for thought.
 
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roguenuke said:
I don't know. Teen pregnancy is at the lowest its been since the 1940s. There really aren't as many teens getting pregnant, not even counting abortions.

U.S. teen pregnancy rates at an all-time low across all ethnicities - HealthPop - CBS News
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Drop Out Rates Among Pregnant Teens - Teen Pregnancy Statistics
Yes teen pregnancies have declined but that is irrelevant to this study as those dying earlier today were teenage dropouts decades ago. But I have to disagree with you on teen pregnancies because even though they have declined they are still one of the number one reasons for females dropping out of high school.Drop Out Rates Among Pregnant Teens - Teen Pregnancy Statistics
Today the shocking facts are that 50% of all births are being born to unwed mothers and the majority of these women are in their twenties.

Almost half of first babies in U.S. born to unwed mothers - CBS News

What does that tell you Roguenuke?
Has the big push in billions of taxpayer dollars in sex education for birth control and practicing safe sex worked?
With all the different means of birth control readily available why is it that so many women in their twenties can't remember to take their pill or use countless other means of birth control ?

The number one drag on the welfare system are single moms. They make up the majority of those we claim as living in poverty.

Did they believe the big lie that a woman doesn't need a man and can do it all on her own successfully? Or is it she isn't responsible because the federal government allows her to be irresponsible with the many programs it provides for the single mother. So much today that all the funding she receives amounts to more than a couple both working at median income with children.

Either she is very stupid or very sly and found a way for the government to take over where her parents left off.

Ironic, when Roe v Wade was passed only 10% of births were out of wedlock. Today 50%.
 
roguenuke said:
I don't know. Teen pregnancy is at the lowest its been since the 1940s. There really aren't as many teens getting pregnant, not even counting abortions.

U.S. teen pregnancy rates at an all-time low across all ethnicities - HealthPop - CBS News
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Yes teen pregnancies have declined but that is irrelevant to this study as those dying earlier today were teenage dropouts decades ago. But I have to disagree with you on teen pregnancies because even though they have declined they are still one of the number one reasons for females dropping out of high school.Drop Out Rates Among Pregnant Teens - Teen Pregnancy Statistics
Today the shocking facts are that 50% of all births are being born to unwed mothers and the majority of these women are in their twenties.

Almost half of first babies in U.S. born to unwed mothers - CBS News

What does that tell you Roguenuke?
Has the big push in billions of taxpayer dollars in sex education for birth control and practicing safe sex worked?
With all the different means of birth control readily available why is it that so many women in their twenties can't remember to take their pill or use countless other means of birth control ?

The number one drag on the welfare system are single moms. They make up the majority of those we claim as living in poverty.

Did they believe the big lie that a woman doesn't need a man and can do it all on her own successfully? Or is it she isn't responsible because the federal government allows her to be irresponsible with the many programs it provides for the single mother. So much today that all the funding she receives amounts to more than a couple both working at median income with children.

Either she is very stupid or very sly and found a way for the government to take over where her parents left off.

Ironic, when Roe v Wade was passed only 10% of births were out of wedlock. Today 50%.
 
roguenuke said:
In most households.

Working women 'still do housework' | Mail Online

Women do more, even if both them and their husbands/boyfriends are working the same amount.
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That is the UK. What are the statistics in the US? Also, if the men are leading a more sedentary lifestyle in the UK than the women I would assume that they are less inclined to live long. Is there even a shrinking longevity gap in the UK between men and women?
 
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And in other news, the American Lung Association has officially declared that air pollution is good for you.
 
Higgins86 said:
Well as a society I think we are unhealthier than we were 50 years ago. Obesity, processed foods, stressful office environments, longer working hours take your pick.
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I agree with the exception of the bolded part. I am not so sure women of today work more hours and todays work is definitely easier. The place of work has simply changed from one of home to a place of employment.

I feel the largest reason are probably as you said diet and obesity but I believe lack of physical work probably plays a large role. Women 100 years ago for example had a lot more physical activity in their daily routine. Washing cloths by hand, washing dishes by hand, no electric vacuums (unless wealthy), they didnt have ready made meals to simply pop in the over/mocrowave. Now many women have desk or light physical activity jobs and once they get home they have all the modern appliances to remove much of the physical effort they once had to do.
 
vesper said:
Drop Out Rates Among Pregnant Teens - Teen Pregnancy Statistics
Yes teen pregnancies have declined but that is irrelevant to this study as those dying earlier today were teenage dropouts decades ago. But I have to disagree with you on teen pregnancies because even though they have declined they are still one of the number one reasons for females dropping out of high school.Drop Out Rates Among Pregnant Teens - Teen Pregnancy Statistics
Today the shocking facts are that 50% of all births are being born to unwed mothers and the majority of these women are in their twenties.

Almost half of first babies in U.S. born to unwed mothers - CBS News

What does that tell you Roguenuke?
Has the big push in billions of taxpayer dollars in sex education for birth control and practicing safe sex worked?
With all the different means of birth control readily available why is it that so many women in their twenties can't remember to take their pill or use countless other means of birth control ?

The number one drag on the welfare system are single moms. They make up the majority of those we claim as living in poverty.

Did they believe the big lie that a woman doesn't need a man and can do it all on her own successfully? Or is it she isn't responsible because the federal government allows her to be irresponsible with the many programs it provides for the single mother. So much today that all the funding she receives amounts to more than a couple both working at median income with children.

Either she is very stupid or very sly and found a way for the government to take over where her parents left off.

Ironic, when Roe v Wade was passed only 10% of births were out of wedlock. Today 50%.
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Actually, it does tell me that the money spent on sex is doing quite well. Nothing is perfect, but since we see that there is a significant reduction in teen pregnancies, and many more teen moms are staying in school now, rather than dropping out to get married or go have the baby then give it up for adoption in secret, I'd say the programs are working. In fact, from the stats I've seen, the places with the highest rate of teen pregnancy and subsequently teenage mother dropouts is those places that do not have comprehensive sex education programs in place, but rather abstinence-focused/-only programs in place.

Teen Pregnancies Highest In States With Abstinence-Only Policies | ThinkProgress
 
Baralis said:
I agree with the exception of the bolded part. I am not so sure women of today work more hours and todays work is definitely easier. The place of work has simply changed from one of home to a place of employment.

I feel the largest reason are probably as you said diet and obesity but I believe lack of physical work probably plays a large role. Women 100 years ago for example had a lot more physical activity in their daily routine. Washing cloths by hand, washing dishes by hand, no electric vacuums (unless wealthy), they didnt have ready made meals to simply pop in the over/mocrowave. Now many women have desk or light physical activity jobs and once they get home they have all the modern appliances to remove much of the physical effort they once had to do.
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You've never been to my office. ;)
 
jmotivator said:
That is the UK. What are the statistics in the US? Also, if the men are leading a more sedentary lifestyle in the UK than the women I would assume that they are less inclined to live long. Is there even a shrinking longevity gap in the UK between men and women?
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It is the same in the US. Women do more housework than their male partners.

Why men should share equally in housework - CNN.com

Women do most housework but husband's job affects his helping - UPI.com

But, apparently if a man is employed in a job that is more often dominated by women (nurse, teacher, childcare), he is more likely to do more of the household chores.
 
vesper said:
Yes teen pregnancies have declined but that is irrelevant to this study as those dying earlier today were teenage dropouts decades ago. But I have to disagree with you on teen pregnancies because even though they have declined they are still one of the number one reasons for females dropping out of high school.Drop Out Rates Among Pregnant Teens - Teen Pregnancy Statistics
Today the shocking facts are that 50% of all births are being born to unwed mothers and the majority of these women are in their twenties.

Almost half of first babies in U.S. born to unwed mothers - CBS News

What does that tell you Roguenuke?
Has the big push in billions of taxpayer dollars in sex education for birth control and practicing safe sex worked?
With all the different means of birth control readily available why is it that so many women in their twenties can't remember to take their pill or use countless other means of birth control ?

The number one drag on the welfare system are single moms. They make up the majority of those we claim as living in poverty.

Did they believe the big lie that a woman doesn't need a man and can do it all on her own successfully? Or is it she isn't responsible because the federal government allows her to be irresponsible with the many programs it provides for the single mother. So much today that all the funding she receives amounts to more than a couple both working at median income with children.

Either she is very stupid or very sly and found a way for the government to take over where her parents left off.

Ironic, when Roe v Wade was passed only 10% of births were out of wedlock. Today 50%.
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Where her parents left off?

What - if my daughter is pregnant I'm supposed to support her and the child?

I WILL - but that's because, when I was in that same position, my parent's DIDN'T. If a kid is so stupid that they are in that type of situation then they are not capable of being on their own. The kid (child) will only suffer.

It's not a requirement, though . . . what we really should do is encourage wise decision making, improved values of self worth, reducing risky behaviors, and other such things that create the situation to begin with.

Instead, when you suggest to people that we should start to push against promiscuous sex, etc, they get defensive. They'll argue that "sex is natural and we shouldn't discourage it, because that won't work anyway, they'll do what they want."

Well, it might not have worked for me, but it worked for my sisters.

But I'd rather such mothers be on government assistance than in a **** marriage. That's what happened to me and it was hell to escape from.
 
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haymarket said:
I would have thought you were aware that even married women end up divorced through no fault of thier own.
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In which case they have to go through a court anyways and they get half as well as court mandated child support payments. Divorced women raising their kids isn't 0.1% of the problem we are referring to here.
 
Arcana XV said:
Life's not easy not matter what gender. It wasn't easy when we were stuck at home all the time and it's not easy now that we have other choices. And, hey, it's not easy for stay at home Dads, either. People always talk about feminazis bashing stay at home Moms. That's nothing compared to the scorn and ridicule other men place on stay at home Dads.

And thanks. :)
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Tell you what, I'll stay home and you buy me nice things. :D
 
LowDown said:
...Scientists Baffled by Shocking Trend



The increase in unmarried single mothers, the increase in women in the work force, the rise of alcohol, tobacco and drug abuse, the dissolution of the poor white community and the social support and religious and moral traditions that go with it would be my guesses as to why.

Men, on the other hand, are living a little longer, and the difference between male and female life spans is decreasing. American men's longevity was about 7.8 years shorter than women's in 1972 but the difference dropped to 5 years in 2005. Perhaps women pay a price when they take on the roles traditionally assigned to men, especially the role of sole breadwinner.
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One word sums it up: Stress. Everything else you said, however accurate, is just details.
 
roguenuke said:
It is the same in the US. Women do more housework than their male partners.

Why men should share equally in housework - CNN.com

Women do most housework but husband's job affects his helping - UPI.com

But, apparently if a man is employed in a job that is more often dominated by women (nurse, teacher, childcare), he is more likely to do more of the household chores.
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The first article clearly states that women trade of career work hours for household/caregiving work hours. This is not the argument that was being made.

The second argument makes the point that women who do traditionally male oriented jobs do less housework. Again, this is a trade off argument when the original argument was an addition argument.
 
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