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Why Are American Women Living 5 Years Less than Their Mothers?

American said:
So life sucks after 60?
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Sorry, it was arbitrary number but its accurate to call it ageist. I apologise. More accurate to say that women have the "gift" of generally living longer than the love of their life. I never envied that.
 
Ben K. said:
Looks like women who live in more liberal states are living longer though. /partisan_troll
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I noticed that. It doesn't appear to be Medicaid since some of the worst states, like AR and KY, have it. Maybe just the effect of mean family income?

There's a pretty good correlation between methamphetamine use in a state and falling female life span. Meth use might just be a marker for rural poor whites, though.
 
LowDown said:
I noticed that. It doesn't appear to be Medicaid since some of the worst states, like AR and KY, have it. Maybe just the effect of mean family income?

There's a pretty good correlation between methamphetamine use in a state and falling female life span. Meth use might just be a marker for rural poor whites, though.
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I think most people here have it with obesity. Men are trucking along just fine and women are not doing so hot. The likely cause is subfertility which opens women up to the cardiovascular problems that men traditionally had to deal with. While there are plenty of things that cause subfertility, obesity is at the top of the list and obesity is linked with wealth gaps.
 
Many women today are desperately unhappy and depressed because they're forced into unnatural, non-feminine roles by the endlessly shrieking feminists and lesbians who ridicule them as stupid and backward if they want a husband, a home of their own, a family and children to love and care for.

Because of this incredible pressure from these strange Liberal groups, women have less chances to find happiness today than at any time in American history.
 
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Conservatives trying to make a big deal out of this need to take into consideration that women in the 1850s died by their 30s. The "stresses" of life today and the decline in life expectancy is but a tiny insignificant drop in a society that lives twice as long as its great grandparents. Trying to attribute that to any social policy is absolutely insane. At best, we could try and link it to a decline in diet. But then, who's fault is it people consume more corn syrup than actual food?
 
Ray410 said:
Many women today are desperately unhappy and depressed because they're forced into unnatural, non-feminine roles by the endlessly shrieking feminists and lesbians who ridicule them as stupid and backward if they want a husband, a home of their own, a family and children to love and care for.

Because of this incredible pressure from these strange Liberal groups, women have less choices to find happiness today than at any time in American history.
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I agree with the shrieking feminist comment, but I don't think women have less choice.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Did you read the article that you're supposedly citing?



1) This, and other bits of the article - suggest that being well educated and gainfully employed IMPROVE health and life expectancy, because of healthcare availability. You, citing the stay at home mom bit, are claiming that it's TOXIC. You are wrong, misinterpreting these findings, and trying to skew what is really being said with a heavy dose of tired sexism.
2) Women have always been employed. Your opinion is based on the RARE 1950's housewife standard which came around after the end of WWII. It was a short-lived period in our history. That wasn't the norm 100 years ago, and it's not the norm today. Being a stay at home mother who doesn't work is a luxury that few people can afford.
3) Further, the age forecast is declining WHERE these gender norms are more prevalent - the south.
4) Just maybe men are taking better care of their selves in general and letting go of the idea that "touch men don't go to the Drs."
5) Also, if you study the map they provide, you can see that where gender norms dominate society LESS - there is improvement. Either significant or minimal - but it's still improvement.

- There, I debunked your sexist views. They're always full of BS that doesn't take a Master's Degree to sort out. Just some light reading.
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No, you didn't. The authors are just speculating. As they say, they don't really know what's going on. They have their opinions and I have mine, which I hold in much higher regard because they are not tainted by PC crap and fear over the reaction some feminist might have.

So, observing the changes the women have been undergoing since the 1950s and suspecting they might be involved is sexist? Playing the sexist card with wild and indescriminate abandon and walking around with a really big chip on your shoulder all the time probably doesn't do any good for a woman's life span, either. :2razz:
 
Ray410 said:
Many women today are desperately unhappy and depressed because they're forced into unnatural, non-feminine roles by the endlessly shrieking feminists and lesbians who ridicule them as stupid and backward if they want a husband, a home of their own, a family and children to love and care for.

Because of this incredible pressure from these strange Liberal groups, women have less choices to find happiness today than at any time in American history.
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:lamo

These odd and bizarre ideas that just come out of nowhere. I swear - what - you think a handful of femme-nazi's who think this way dictate the happiness and expectations of women everywhere?

Stay at Home Mothers take the clinically ****ed cake, actually - are more likely to be depressed, suffer from a disconnect from society, family and friends, and abuse and murder their children.

From the way you're writing things out you're pretending that they're goddamned, gloriously happy by default because they've taken this role in life. Evidence is all to the contrary and it's not because of that lesser cluster in society who sees said women as being deplorable.

Human nature and gender role issues in our society are by far more complicated than people realize. The short little cliche quips from the sexist men around here make it obvious that they don't have the mental capacity to understand it and all it's dynamics.

In fact, it makes people who voice them sound like Christian Grey - forever trying to shove his women into a red box and call it 'liberating'
 
American said:
I agree with the shrieking feminist comment, but I don't think women have less choice.
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You're right, I should have said "Chances" instead of choices because while there are a lot of choices for them, many that they are pressured toward lead to lifetime disaffection and unhappiness.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
:lamo

These odd and bizarre ideas that just come out of nowhere. I swear - what - you think a handful of femme-nazi's who think this way dictate the happiness and expectations of women everywhere?

Stay at Home Mothers take the clinically ****ed cake, actually - are more likely to be depressed, suffer from a disconnect from society, family and friends, and abuse and murder their children.

From the way you're writing things out you're pretending that they're goddamned, gloriously happy by default because they've taken this role in life. Evidence is all to the contrary and it's not because of that lesser cluster in society who sees said women as being deplorable.

Human nature and gender role issues in our society are by far more complicated than people realize. The short little cliche quips from the sexist men around here make it obvious that they don't have the mental capacity to understand it and all it's dynamics.

In fact, it makes people who voice them sound like Christian Grey - forever trying to shove his women into a red box and call it 'liberating'
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You need to give other women, different than yourself, a break and let them find their own way without the strident condemnation because they didn't choose your path.

Would you believe that many women wouldn't find their happiness in being known by the name "Spiker" and writing incest stories?
 
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(Some) men have been emasculated, and it wears on them internally.

(Some) women are living more masculine lives, and it wears on them unnaturally.

Other folks don't listen to the brainwashing of a lost world, and they're living healthier, happier, and longer lives.
 
Hatuey said:
Conservatives trying to make a big deal out of this need to take into consideration that women in the 1850s died by their 30s. The "stresses" of life today and the decline in life expectancy is but a tiny insignificant drop in a society that lives twice as long as its great grandparents. Trying to attribute that to any social policy is absolutely insane. At best, we could try and link it to a decline in diet. But then, who's fault is it people consume more corn syrup than actual food?
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The Left usually claims all the scientists, so it must be the Left that is obssessed with this. :lol:
 
Erod said:
(Some) men have been emasculated, and it wears on them internally.

(Some) women are living more masculine lives, and it wears on them unnaturally.

Other folks don't listen to the brainwashing of a lost world, and they're living healthier, happier, and longer lives.
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Bravo!
 
American said:
The Left usually claims all the scientists, so it must be the Left that is obssessed with this. :lol:
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I don't have a single clue what that has to do with my post. Are we just throwing out random catchphrases now?
 
Ray410 said:
You need to give other women, different than yourself, a break and let them find their own way without the strident condemnation because they didn't choose your path.
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Is that a 'pro stay at home mom' comment or an 'anti stay at home' comment? Do you think I'm condemning working mothers, or condemning stay at home mothers? This is interesting. . .

Which one do you think I am? Employed, or a sahm?
 
Hatuey said:
I don't have a single clue what that has to do with my post. Are we just throwing out random catchphrases now?
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Hey you brought conservatives into it, I was just responding.
 
American said:
Hey you brought conservatives into it, I was just responding.
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I said conservatives are making a big unfounded deal out of this. Scientists haven't speculated on it being the result of changes social policies and attitudes. Conservatives have. That's why it's they who are making a big deal out of the matter.
 
Hatuey said:
I said conservatives are making a big unfounded deal out of this. Scientists haven't speculated on it being the result of changes social policies and attitudes. Conservatives have. That's why it's they who are making a big deal out of the matter.
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I don't think we're making a big deal out of this, I think we're just speculating. There's a difference.
 
Meh, until they find a way to keep you from becoming a senile old coot, who wants to live THAT long anyways?
 
American said:
There isn't a young American woman alive today that knows what it's like to truly have no rights or property. Europe had all kinds of oppression not long ago. But we're talking about what makes people die sooner. Well now that women are in the workforce facing the same **** that men have been for hundreds of years......join the club, I say. For years women thought men had it made in this world simply because they had certain status advantages. Well there's a price for having that status, and it's not easy at all. And whether women still run the vacuum at home is irrelevant, because they still expect men to be men even if they make the same money and have more social status. It didn't get easier being a man just because life for women changed.

And you're still a cutey. :D
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Life's not easy not matter what gender. It wasn't easy when we were stuck at home all the time and it's not easy now that we have other choices. And, hey, it's not easy for stay at home Dads, either. People always talk about feminazis bashing stay at home Moms. That's nothing compared to the scorn and ridicule other men place on stay at home Dads.

And thanks. :)
 
haymarket said:
The combined pressures of being in the workforce plus still having to do the vast majority of the household tasks are taking a toll.
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That's what happens when you try to raise a kid by yourself.
 
ChrisL said:
Meh, until they find a way to keep you from becoming a senile old coot, who wants to live THAT long anyways?
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Word. My grand-aunt is 102 years old and is but a shadow of the formidable woman she used to be. Stuck in a wheelchair, almost totally deaf, she spends most of her days staring out into space and drooling. It's sad...
 
LowDown said:
Perhaps women pay a price when they take on the roles traditionally assigned to men, especially the role of sole breadwinner.
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Like it's women's fault that so many men are immature, so do not take any responsibility for their fatherhood?
 
ReformCollege said:
That's what happens when you try to raise a kid by yourself.
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And in some cases that was the woman decision. In others, it was most certainly not her decision to go down that solitary path.
 
haymarket said:
And in some cases that was the woman decision. In others, it was most certainly not her decision to go down that solitary path.
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On some days it rains. On other days it doesn't. What exactly is your point here? If the woman was not raped, she most certainly had plenty of input into that decision.
 
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