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Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

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The fact that ACA was passed on a straight party line vote is the basis of my argument. This is the last assistance you will receive.:peace
That is a supporting argument for......that the GOP did not attempt to derail the passage of the ACA?

Hello?....is this thing on?
 
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Maryland Says It Has 326 Enrollees in Health Exchange - Washington Wire - WSJ
Those problems are reflected in the Maryland numbers released Monday, the first of what the state said would be regular data releases. The state said 13,532 accounts with verified identity were created as of Sunday evening, and it has seen 170,000 unique visitors to the website. But only 326 people were actually enrolled in new health-insurance plans.

170,000 unique visits, 13,000 enrollees, 326 sign ups. 2.5% of enrollees signed up, .2% of unique visitors signed up.
 
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That is a supporting argument for......that the GOP did not attempt to derail the passage of the ACA?

Hello?....is this thing on?

The question is why should anyone support ACA which forces people to buy a product that they may not want? This country wasn't built on that principle and it will not survive with the Federal govt. involved in personal responsibility issues? Why on earth do you support Obamacare? makes no sense when you look at the 17 trillion dollar debt and the fact that the state taxpayers not the federal taxpayers pay for the uninsured expenses in their state.
 
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The question is why should anyone support ACA which forces people to buy a product that they may not want?
I find it funny that time and again the fall back argument for teabaggers is the "right to be irresponsible". What creates such deluded arguments in the minds of baggers?


the fact that the state taxpayers not the federal taxpayers pay for the uninsured expenses in their state.
WTF? Much of the losses hospitals incur come out as tax write offs....and we all pay to make up that loss of revenue.
 
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I find it funny that time and again the fall back argument for teabaggers is the "right to be irresponsible". What creates such deluded arguments in the minds of baggers?


WTF? Much of the losses hospitals incur come out as tax write offs....and we all pay to make up that loss of revenue.

Stop trying to legislate to eliminate stupidity. If you do so there will be no more liberals to brainwash. Who is "we" pay for higher prices? Do you pay for the uninsured in TX?
 
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The hospital would have billed them for far less than the 100k, probably more in the 30-40k range, due to the lack of insurance, and if the uninsured couldn't pay, the would most likely apply the grant money and trust funds at their disposal to cover treating the underprivileged. In the end, the hospital probably has a charity write off of a few thousand dollars.

Last year, one of the big hospitals here in Cleveland, Ohio provided free hospital care to the tune of $143 million.

I don't doubt it, but the reason a hospital provides $143 million of free care isn't really charity. They get people in that they have to treat that have no way to pay. The hospital could try collecting the debts, and they do sometimes. But when you have patients that realistically could never pay their bill it may make more sense for the hospital to forget about collecting it and write it off. It looks better for the hospital to give away care than to try to garnish wages from minimum wage workers or extract money from the unemployed, after all. Ultimately the costs of treatment get paid by charging higher prices to others.
 
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I don't doubt it, but the reason a hospital provides $143 million of free care isn't really charity. They get people in that they have to treat that have no way to pay. The hospital could try collecting the debts, and they do sometimes. But when you have patients that realistically could never pay their bill it may make more sense for the hospital to forget about collecting it and write it off. It looks better for the hospital to give away care than to try to garnish wages from minimum wage workers or extract money from the unemployed, after all. Ultimately the costs of treatment get paid by charging higher prices to others.

Which is why healthcare is a state issue not a Federal one. If the states don't want Obamacare why should the Federal govt. force it on the rest of the citizens? You see all uninsured costs are bourn by the states not the Federal taxpayers
 
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Stop trying to legislate to eliminate stupidity. If you do so there will be no more liberals to brainwash.
Yes, those who have not been buying HI have been doing so because of....stupidity.

And this is used to back up an argument FOR irresponsibility. A real collision of memes....and you don't even see it as you post it.

Who is "we" pay for higher prices? Do you pay for the uninsured in TX?
We all pay for the uninsured...that was the point.
 
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Yes, those who have not been buying HI have been doing so because of....stupidity.

And this is used to back up an argument FOR irresponsibility. A real collision of memes....and you don't even see it as you post it.

We all pay for the uninsured...that was the point.

Those that have been buying healthcare insurance aren't guaranteed that they will be able to do so in the future and why should any business do that when they can put people on Obamacare? You just don't get it and never will. Private business isn't in business to provide employees healthcare benefits and they cannot be forced into offering a private plan. Obama and liberals are going to get their wish a single payer system that is going to bankrupt this country like it has every other European country. Apparently that doesn't bother people like you. Do you ever anticipate or do you only react?

As for, "we all" that is a lie, not we all unless you live in TX and pay for the TX uninsured
 
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Those that have been buying healthcare insurance aren't guaranteed that they will be able to do so in the future
Right....sure.....ok.

As for, "we all" that is a lie, not we all unless you live in TX and pay for the TX uninsured
"Texas is diverting millions of dollars of federal money intended to reimburse three state-owned hospitals for uninsured care and shortfalls in Medicaid payments, University of Texas officials say. That money, which is rerouted into a general fund, otherwise would offset expenses that the University of Texas Medical Branch, M.D. Anderson and UT Tyler incur providing care for the uninsured.."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...are-money-from-UTMB-4398633.php#ixzz2PzZ1IQyr
 
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Right....sure.....ok.

"Texas is diverting millions of dollars of federal money intended to reimburse three state-owned hospitals for uninsured care and shortfalls in Medicaid payments, University of Texas officials say. That money, which is rerouted into a general fund, otherwise would offset expenses that the University of Texas Medical Branch, M.D. Anderson and UT Tyler incur providing care for the uninsured.."

State takes charity care money from UTMB - Houston Chronicle

Medicaid is a joint State and Federal govt. insurance program. Most of the increased costs in Medicare are mandated changes by the Federal Govt. stop comparing apples and oranges.
 
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Right....sure.....ok.

"Texas is diverting millions of dollars of federal money intended to reimburse three state-owned hospitals for uninsured care and shortfalls in Medicaid payments, University of Texas officials say. That money, which is rerouted into a general fund, otherwise would offset expenses that the University of Texas Medical Branch, M.D. Anderson and UT Tyler incur providing care for the uninsured.."

State takes charity care money from UTMB - Houston Chronicle

And so it begins

Walgreen to Shift Health Plan for 160,000 Workers - WSJ.com
 
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As for, "we all" that is a lie, not we all unless you live in TX and pay for the TX uninsured
"Texas is diverting millions of dollars of federal money intended to reimburse three state-owned hospitals for uninsured care...... That money, which is rerouted into a general fund, otherwise would offset expenses that the University of Texas Medical Branch, M.D. Anderson and UT Tyler incur providing care for the uninsured.."
 
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"Texas is diverting millions of dollars of federal money intended to reimburse three state-owned hospitals for uninsured care...... That money, which is rerouted into a general fund, otherwise would offset expenses that the University of Texas Medical Branch, M.D. Anderson and UT Tyler incur providing care for the uninsured.."

Why don't you read the entire article and get back to me? You don't know what you are talking about. Why is this of interest to you and what is your expenses for the uninsured here. Are people not getting insurance as required by Medicaid? You read the headlines and don't think because that is what you want to believe
 
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As for, "we all" that is a lie, not we all unless you live in TX and pay for the TX uninsured
"Texas is diverting millions of dollars of federal money intended to reimburse three state-owned hospitals for uninsured care...... That money, which is rerouted into a general fund, otherwise would offset expenses that the University of Texas Medical Branch, M.D. Anderson and UT Tyler incur providing care for the uninsured.."

You don't know what you are talking about.

That's funny bagger, I just showed you as NOT knowing what YOU are talking about.
 
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"Texas is diverting millions of dollars of federal money intended to reimburse three state-owned hospitals for uninsured care...... That money, which is rerouted into a general fund, otherwise would offset expenses that the University of Texas Medical Branch, M.D. Anderson and UT Tyler incur providing care for the uninsured.."



That's funny bagger, I just showed you as NOT knowing what YOU are talking about.

I am still waiting for you to read the rest of the story and get back to us. This is money allocated to the state of TX from the Medicaid mandate. Why do you care what the state does with allocated dollars to TX? How is this hurting you, your state or any other state? are you getting less TX tax dollars because of your perception?
 
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I am still waiting for you to read the rest of the story and get back to us. This is money allocated to the state of TX from the Medicaid mandate. Why do you care what the state does with allocated dollars to TX? How is this hurting you, your state or any other state? are you getting less TX tax dollars because of your perception?
Uh, your point was that US tax dollars are not spent in Texas to pay for the uninsured in Texas.

I showed you are incorrect, you cannot accept the fact you are wrong and are now in the process of trying to divert from and bury your mess.

The point is....you are wrong.

Accept it and move on.
 
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Uh, your point was that US tax dollars are not spent in Texas to pay for the uninsured in Texas.

I showed you are incorrect, you cannot accept the fact you are wrong and are now in the process of trying to divert from and bury your mess.

The point is....you are wrong.

Accept it and move on.

Your opinion noted and I posted the part of the article that you ignored, no laws violated and the fact remains that the general fund of TX funds hospital shortfalls so the diversion of funds is doing exactly what it was supposed to do. States are responsible for their own healthcare costs. Apparently when you talk about federal dollars you ignore where those federal dollars come from including tax dollars from the state of TX.

Looks to me like some people need to grow up and stop acting like spoiled children who have to win and get what they want. Looks like candidates for the Obama Administration
 
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Your opinion noted and I posted the part of the article that you ignored, no laws violated and the fact remains that the general fund of TX funds hospital shortfalls so the diversion of funds is doing exactly what it was supposed to do. States are responsible for their own healthcare costs. Apparently when you talk about federal dollars you ignore where those federal dollars come from including tax dollars from the state of TX.

Looks to me like some people need to grow up and stop acting like spoiled children who have to win and get what they want. Looks like candidates for the Obama Administration
Wait....let me get this....you claim FEDERAL tax dollars do not go to Texas to pay for uninsured care, I post documentation that TX does get FEDERAL tax dollars to pay for the uninsured.....and your defense is....that I don't understand where FEDERAL tax dollars come from?

Good grief Con, you have been dancing all day long and your reasoning has become completely delusionary from exhaustion. Give it a rest.
 
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This part of your post has always confused me. Around here an annual checkup costs as little as $80 and as much as $250. There are even annual free health fairs which do a fairly comprehensive examination including BP, heart rate and blood work. My confusion is how someone cannot afford to set aside $8-$20/month to cover the annual expense and yet will be able to afford $?(presumably much more) per month in premiums. Sure if there is some medical issue discovered in these checkups the individual has NEW cost issues but the 'preventative care' point is mute at that point isn't it?

There are people with mental health issues, there are people who require therapy, there are people who require medication they cannot afford. There are people who need regular checkups with a doctor because they have a much higher risk of becoming diabetic because of lifestyle choices. You think that getting a physical once in a while means preventative care? How about the people who have bronchitis and don't treat it because they can't afford to go to a doctor and pay for the medication?

How about people who are alcoholics and can't afford to go to treatment? How about people who have chronic pain because of their jobs? Is a physical going to help any of those people? All I'd like you to do is think. That's all I'm asking.
 
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Yeah, all those darned 'lazy' 27 year old's that don't really use health care services outside the occasional visit to a Doctor's Care clinic for a cold, now have to be forced to buy a private product to cover things that they will never use, all in the name of redistribution of their premium money paid.

Side story: at my old place of work, there was a girl waiting to get onto their health care plan, and she couldn't go to a doctor for her bronchitis until her plan kicked it. She coughed up blood for 2 weeks.

I was a not-so-lazy 27 year old who had health care and didn't use it. I was extremely healthy. Hell, I ran 10 miles a day and walked everywhere I went. It turned out that for years I had a cyst I didn't know about. It ruptured and caused permanent nerve damage (it's a longer story but I gave you the nutshell). If I hadn't had health insurance, I would owe a hundred thousand dollars in medical bills. I would be paying it off the rest of my life. It would impact every part of my life and I would be a less productive member of society. I'd probably have to declare bankruptcy, ruin my credit, and enjoy my future of desperately trying to buy a house that I couldn't get a loan for. Or I could work two jobs to pay off my bills, thus never having the time to find a good job where I could make a lot of money and be one of those people who rants about the liberals spending their hard earned dollars. What would likely happen is that I'd either be unable to pay the money back or I'd need government assistance to survive. Who pays for that?

I guess it's all about experiences. Maybe your experiences are that it's good for people to go bankrupt because of medical problems. I don't know what planet that happens on, but let me know the name of it and I'll visit sometime.
 
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you are already anxious to run up a bill
did you not understand my post? for the premiums to stay where they are at now million will need to sign up for Obama care and not use it. if all that signs up are like you looking forward to running up a bill Obama care will collapse

Maybe you aren't aware of this, but THAT'S HOW INSURANCE WORKS. The vast majority of people who have insurance don't use it, which allows the companies to make money while still covering part of patient's bills. Maybe you don't know this, but most people don't like going to the doctor. I go for my severe ulcer and debilitating auto-immune disease, but I think we can all agree that isn't wasteful.
 
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Maryland Says It Has 326 Enrollees in Health Exchange - Washington Wire - WSJ


170,000 unique visits, 13,000 enrollees, 326 sign ups. 2.5% of enrollees signed up, .2% of unique visitors signed up.
Do you have any idea how health insurance enrollment works for most people? This is a question of actual curiosity.

Before you answer you should know I sell health insurance. These numbers are neither surprising nor alarming.
 
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actually, you do, and i'd be curious to hear who told you otherwise.....

Actually, no you don't. You can drive a car on private property all that you want on private property without a DL or insurance and there is nothing cops or courts can do about it. And there are still places in which you do not have to have a building permit to build a building on. Same goes with the rest of what he said.
 
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juvenile is not being able to repeal it with votes so you do not allow a vote on everything else. That is juvenile my republican friend. If the votes for the continuing resolution were for a shutdown then I would be cool with it, but since they are not then it makes no sense as an adult rational person to do this.

Juvenile is coming to a thread and pretending to be adult, and post this drivel.^^^^^
 
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