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Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

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randel said:
i accept this legislation as i believe it is a big step in the right direction, and i would have supported it regardless if i were a member of a union....being as you like to try and troll me on my union membership, that will be the extent of my response.... i believe ACA to be good for the country as a whole.
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If it is good for the country why is your union opting out? You don't see the hypocrisy here?
 
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randel said:
depends on you definition of shut out i suppose....they knew it was going to become law, and really offered nothing to improve it.
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To quote Charles Krauthammer:




The Democrats insist they welcomed contributing ideas from Republicans. Rubbish. Republicans proposed that insurance be purchasable across state lines. They got nothing. They sought serious tort reform. They got nothing. Why? Because, admitted Howard Dean, Democrats didn’t want to offend the trial lawyers.
Moreover, the administration was clearly warned. Republican Scott Brown ran in the most inhospitable of states, Massachusetts, on the explicit promise to cast the deciding vote blocking Obamacare. It was January 2010, the height of the debate. He won. Reid ignored this unmistakable message of popular opposition and conjured a parliamentary maneuver — reconciliation — to get around Brown.

:peace
 
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randel said:
i've missed no point, everything i've said is spot on. you are 'forced' to do things by , and just for you, ALL levels of government.
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Americans have NEVER been forced to buy a product from a private corporation by the federal government until now. Some local and state governments have made certain activities contingent on purchasing certain products from private corporations. None of those activities are necessary for living.

Oh, and the point you missed is that all this freeloading is entirely your fault. You've been trying to pass on the costs democrat vote-buying schemes to the rest of the tax payers for generations now. Don't try to blame that on conservatives.
 
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randel said:
but they had the votes, and it is law....the repubs had plenty of chances to have input on the final product, but chose to whine and beyatch and just vote no. failure of leadership on republican part.
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They didn't have the votes until they changed the game and used reconciliation. A budget bill.

But it is a flat out lie to say, "the repubs had plenty of chances to have input on the final product". It would even be a stretch to say, "all Dems had plenty of chances to have input on the final product". Just about all the bill was drawn up in backrooms, away from the publics eyes and ears. but it was the Dems doing the drawing up, just not the majority of them.

It was excellent leadership from the GOP not to have anything to do with this disaster. Deliberate planning to harm Americas future and peoples ability to get quality healthcare is/was evil on the democrats part.
 
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FederalRepublic said:
Americans have NEVER been forced to buy a product from a private corporation by the federal government until now. Some local and state governments have made certain activities contingent on purchasing certain products from private corporations. None of those activities are necessary for living.
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"...have made certain activities CONTINGENT....." TRANSLATION= you were forced to...and yes, many of these activities are necessary for living.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
They didn't have the votes until they changed the game and used reconciliation. A budget bill.

But it is a flat out lie to say, "the repubs had plenty of chances to have input on the final product". It would even be a stretch to say, "all Dems had plenty of chances to have input on the final product". Just about all the bill was drawn up in backrooms, away from the publics eyes and ears. but it was the Dems doing the drawing up, just not the majority of them.

It was excellent leadership from the GOP not to have anything to do with this disaster. Deliberate planning to harm Americas future and peoples ability to get quality healthcare is/was evil on the democrats part.
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sorry, but they did have plenty of chances.
 
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randel said:
sorry, but they did have plenty of chances.
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Prove it! You make wild claims on what you believe but never back them up with the facts. Exactly what did the Republicans get in Obamacare? Do you realize that Obama rammed that through when he had a filibuster proof Senate thus the GOP got nothing. I find it interesting how you support something that your union opted out of. The question is why?
 
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Conservative said:
Prove it! You make wild claims on what you believe but never back them up with the facts. Exactly what did the Republicans get in Obamacare? Do you realize that Obama rammed that through when he had a filibuster proof Senate thus the GOP got nothing. I find it interesting how you support something that your union opted out of. The question is why?
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"You make wild claims on what you believe but never back them up "....obviously looking in the mirror again
 
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Conservative said:
Prove it! You make wild claims on what you believe but never back them up with the facts. Exactly what did the Republicans get in Obamacare? Do you realize that Obama rammed that through when he had a filibuster proof Senate thus the GOP got nothing. I find it interesting how you support something that your union opted out of. The question is why?
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Nice call. I like to think he's stymied by my #202 as well, but that may just be my robust self-esteem talking.:lamo
 
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Jack Hays said:
Nice call. I like to think he's stymied by my #202 as well, but that may just be my robust self-esteem talking.:lamo
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you said it yourself, the GOP took their ball and went home. really not much more to say.
 
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randel said:
you said it yourself, the GOP took their ball and went home. really not much more to say.
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I said no such thing, and you're dodging my #202.
 
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Jack Hays said:
I said no such thing, and you're dodging my #202.
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sorry, looking at wrong post...see post 204....repubs wanted nothing to do with it....so they took their ball and went home.
 
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Jack Hays said:
How about replying to my #202?
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what is there to reply to? i don't believe the repubs did anything but piss, beyatch, and moan during the process, and did everything in their power to derail ACA.
 
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randel said:
what is there to reply to? i don't believe the repubs did anything but piss, beyatch, and moan during the process, and did everything in their power to derail ACA.
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Then your belief is contradicted by the historical record.:peace
 
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Jack Hays said:
Then your belief is contradicted by the historical record.:peace
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you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as am I....have a good one jack, i'm off to bed, got to work tonight.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Then your belief is contradicted by the historical record.:peace
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Funny, they did not vote for it then...and are DEFINITELY trying to derail it currently.

Ironic....coming from someone who claims to be a historian.
 
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randel said:
you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as am I....have a good one jack, i'm off to bed, got to work tonight.
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Dodging to the last. :mrgreen: Sleep well. See you next time.:peace
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

randel said:
sorry, but they did have plenty of chances.
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Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

randel said:
"You make wild claims on what you believe but never back them up "....obviously looking in the mirror again
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My claims are always backed up please explain to me why you believe Obamacare is such a great program yet aren't participating in it because your union opted out? Why would you support something that is of no interest to you? I don't like seeing the Federal Govt. forcing people to buy something they don't want.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Funny, they did not vote for it then...and are DEFINITELY trying to derail it currently.

Ironic....coming from someone who claims to be a historian.
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A post demonstrating less understanding of the preceding discussion would be hard to draft.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

randel said:
you can't elaborate because you know i'm right . everything i said is spot on. sorry, but it is.
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I can think of several words to describe you at this point. "Right" isn't among them. "Spot on" isn't there either. What I haven't yet figured out is why so many die-hard leftists are so giddy about forcing working people to buy a product from a private corporation.
 
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randel said:
"...have made certain activities CONTINGENT....." TRANSLATION= you were forced to...and yes, many of these activities are necessary for living.
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No. And no. I'm trying to determine which is greater. Ignorance, or arrogance?
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

randel said:
what is there to reply to? i don't believe the repubs did anything but piss, beyatch, and moan during the process, and did everything in their power to derail ACA.
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Jack Hays said:
Then your belief is contradicted by the historical record.:peace
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Gimmesometruth said:
Funny, they did not vote for it then...and are DEFINITELY trying to derail it currently.

Ironic....coming from someone who claims to be a historian.
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Jack Hays said:
A post demonstrating less understanding of the preceding discussion would be hard to draft.
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A dodging post concerning the current argument was just posted...by you.

How ironic.....not to mention hypocritical....as I am supposedly still being "ignored".

The GOP did not vote for the PPACA.....did not want it passed....are now using defunding of OTHER programs and the threat of default to blackmail an ending of it.

I'm not sure how one can claim that is NOT derailing.....but I'm sure you will try.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
A dodging post concerning the current argument was just posted...by you.

How ironic.....not to mention hypocritical....as I am supposedly still being "ignored".

The GOP did not vote for the PPACA.....did not want it passed....are now using defunding of OTHER programs and the threat of default to blackmail an ending of it.

I'm not sure how one can claim that is NOT derailing.....but I'm sure you will try.
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The fact that ACA was passed on a straight party line vote is the basis of my argument. This is the last assistance you will receive.:peace
 
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