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Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

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randel said:
what strawman? is that not the truth, i go into an emergency room, rack up several hundred/thousand dollars for treatment, don't have any insurance, because i CHOSE not to carry it, not that i COULDNT IF I WANTED TO, or COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT WITH HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT, but because it was being 'forced' on me i choose not too...so...the hospital treats me, then passes those costs on to those that do have insurance. then those poor saps that have insurance through their employers, watch their cost go up, year to year for the portion they pay for their insurance.
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Not the way it works. First you'll have to prove to the admitting desk you can and will take financial responsibility for the care you receive. If you can't do that your care with be restricted to immediate lifesaving care alone. Even then you get the bill, and the same thing happens when you don't pay as happens when you don't pay any of your bills. They put a lien on you, all your earnings, all your stuff to satisfy YOUR debt. If they can't collect it goes to a collection agency which gets to hector you and examine your stool for the next year or so. If they can't collect, the debt is written off, and that's when the pain gets spread around.
 
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clownboy said:
Not the way it works. First you'll have to prove to the admitting desk you can and will take financial responsibility for the care you receive. If you can't do that your care with be restricted to immediate lifesaving care alone. Even then you get the bill, and the same thing happens when you don't pay as happens when you don't pay any of your bills. They put a lien on you, all your earnings, all your stuff to satisfy YOUR debt. If they can't collect it goes to a collection agency which gets to hector you and examine your stool for the next year or so. If they can't collect, the debt is written off, and that's when the pain gets spread around.
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they can put all the leins in the world on someone, but if you own nothing , or choose not to pay, and as you yourself stated, in the end, the pain gets spread around....thanks for proving my point
 
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randel said:
and how does that 'betray' a lack of knowledge? it is something the government 'forced' on me when i turned 18 so many moons ago.
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Your further prove your lack of knowledge by using "government" as a generic term in this context. We don't have just one government here in the US, we have federal, state and local governments. Each have their own powers and responsibilities, which you would know if you had read and understood the US Constitution. The federal government is empowered to require you to register with selective service, the state and local governments are not. The federal government is not empowered to require healthcare, SCOTUS let them get around this by calling it a tax (which even they don't believe it is).

And btw, if you're assed about having auto insurance - move to New Hampshire.
 
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randel said:
they can put all the leins in the world on someone, but if you own nothing , or choose not to pay, and as you yourself stated, in the end, the pain gets spread around....thanks for proving my point
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No, it doesn't prove your point. Are you sure you have what it takes to understand these issues? You're not showing it here.
 
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randel said:
if you have nothing constructive to add, please don't respond to my posts...
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I actually enjoy beating the hell out of you with verifiable data, logic, and common sense. It is you that doesn't understand state, local, and federal laws, nor can you answer why unions want an exemption from Obamacare since it is such an incredible piece of legislation? I love having you around, you make me look and sound a lot smarter than I am
 
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clownboy said:
Your further prove your lack of knowledge by using "government" as a generic term in this context. We don't have just one government here in the US, we have federal, state and local governments. Each have their own powers and responsibilities, which you would know if you had read and understood the US Constitution. The federal government is empowered to require you to register with selective service, the state and local governments are not. The federal government is not empowered to require healthcare, SCOTUS let them get around this by calling it a tax (which even they don't believe it is).

And btw, if you're assed about having auto insurance - move to New Hampshire.
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pick your poison, all levels 'force' things on you....again, thanks for proving my point
 
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To randel,

I noticed a great question that you seemingly ignored, so I'll ask it straight up....Here it is, ready?

If the ACA is such a great thing for this country, then why are unions like yours, demanding that they be exempted from it?
 
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clownboy said:
No, it doesn't prove your point. Are you sure you have what it takes to understand these issues? You're not showing it here.
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but indeed it does, as you yourself admit that in the end, the pain is spread around.
 
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randel said:
actually, you do, and i'd be curious to hear who told you otherwise.....
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No, you don't. I've built a building that didn't require a permit. I've driven vehicles that require neither insurance nor a license to operate. There are plenty of jobs out there that do not require a drug screening. You absolutely do not have to have home owner's insurance to buy a house. None of what you said was true, and none of the restrictions regarding any of those items are federal restrictions. I'm curious to hear how you came to be so misinformed.
 
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Conservative said:
I actually enjoy beating the hell out of you with verifiable data, logic, and common sense. It is you that don't understand state, local, and federal laws, nor can you answer why unions want an exemption from Obamacare since it is such an incredible piece of legislation? I love having you around, you make me look and sound a lot smarter than I am
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dear sir, it will be a cold day in hell before you are capable of all that....
 
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randel said:
what strawman? is that not the truth, i go into an emergency room, rack up several hundred/thousand dollars for treatment, don't have any insurance, because i CHOSE not to carry it, not that i COULDNT IF I WANTED TO, or COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT WITH HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT, but because it was being 'forced' on me i choose not too...so...the hospital treats me, then passes those costs on to those that do have insurance. then those poor saps that have insurance through their employers, watch their cost go up, year to year for the portion they pay for their insurance.
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Did you really miss the point that badly?
 
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FederalRepublic said:
No, you don't. I've built a building that didn't require a permit. I've driven vehicles that require neither insurance nor a license to operate. There are plenty of jobs out there that do not require a drug screening. You absolutely do not have to have home owner's insurance to buy a house. None of what you said was true, and none of the restrictions regarding any of those items are federal restrictions. I'm curious to hear how you came to be so misinformed.
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really, do elaborate, because i'm not buying it...
 
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FederalRepublic said:
Did you really miss the point that badly?
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i've missed no point, everything i've said is spot on. you are 'forced' to do things by , and just for you, ALL levels of government.
 
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*tink* *tink* *tink*.... Um Hello?! randel? I know you saw the post....Avoiding it I see....typical.
 
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randel said:
i've missed no point, everything i've said is spot on. you are 'forced' to do things by , and just for you, ALL levels of government.
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You're "forced" to breathe too in the loose way you're using the term. Silly really. Let's try this, there are things our federal government is empowered to force you to do (force in the loose sense you're using it). There are things your state government is empowered to force you to do. The same thing extends to your local government.

Some of those things you've listed are fictional, but of the ones that aren't, the state or local governments are the ones empowered to "force" you to do them, not the federal government. The federal government is not empowered to force you to buy healthcare. They are empowered to tax you and that is how they got this past the SCOTUS.
 
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clownboy said:
You're "forced" to breathe too in the loose way you're using the term. Silly really. Let's try this, there are things our federal government is empowered to force you to do (force in the loose sense you're using it). There are things your state government is empowered to force you to do. The same thing extends to your local government.

Some of those things you've listed are fictional, but of the ones that aren't, the state or local governments are the ones empowered to "force" you to do them, not the federal government. The federal government is not empowered to force you to buy healthcare. They are empowered to tax you and that is how they got this past the SCOTUS.
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going with your last line, correct, the scotus found it LEGAL.....regardless, it proves my point, that all levels of government can force you to do things....repubs need to get over this, send the senate a clean spending bill, and get the government open again. obama ran on healthcare, won twice, had the health care plan upheld by the scotus. the people have spoken via the elections. time for repubs to move on.
 
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randel said:
going with your last line, correct, the scotus found it LEGAL.....regardless, it proves my point, that all levels of government can force you to do things....repubs need to get over this, send the senate a clean spending bill, and get the government open again. obama ran on healthcare, won twice, had the health care plan upheld by the scotus. the people have spoken via the elections. time for repubs to move on.
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This may be the most cynical of liberal progressive lies to the American people...Do you libs really think that we are so short sighted that we don't remember a year ago? Obama didn't run on HC, he ran from it...Every thing they were touting was 'jobs', and 'renewable energy', and the oldie but goodie, 'Bin Laden is dead, but GM is alive'....

Although HC was in the party platform for the convention, and Obama used it as an outright lie as to what it actually is, it is just not honest to say with a straight face that Obama centered his campaign around the ACA....That is a lie.
 
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randel said:
going with your last line, correct, the scotus found it LEGAL.....regardless, it proves my point, that all levels of government can force you to do things....repubs need to get over this, send the senate a clean spending bill, and get the government open again. obama ran on healthcare, won twice, had the health care plan upheld by the scotus. the people have spoken via the elections. time for repubs to move on.
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Because the ACA, unlike any other major social legislation of the last century, was passed on a straight party line vote, it remains fair game for political challenge. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Civil Rights Act all passed with significant bipartisan support. That's why they are "settled" and the ACA is not.:peace
 
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Jack Hays said:
Because the ACA, unlike any other major social legislation of the last century, was passed on a straight party line vote, it remains fair game for political challenge. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the Civil Rights Act all passed with significant bipartisan support. That's why they are "settled" and the ACA is not.:peace
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but they had the votes, and it is law....the repubs had plenty of chances to have input on the final product, but chose to whine and beyatch and just vote no. failure of leadership on republican part.
 
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randel said:
really, do elaborate, because i'm not buying it...
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Your list of things we're forced to do was a list of things we aren't forced to do. I can't really elaborate more than that.
 
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randel said:
but they had the votes, and it is law....the repubs had plenty of chances to have input on the final product, but chose to whine and beyatch and just vote no. failure of leadership on republican part.
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Repubs were effectively shut out. Regardless, as a simple matter of political mechanics, the fact that it was enacted on a party line vote means it will remain an active political issue indefinitely. Wiser leadership in the past actively engaged the minority specifically to avoid this outcome.:peace
 
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randel said:
but they had the votes, and it is law....the repubs had plenty of chances to have input on the final product, but chose to whine and beyatch and just vote no. failure of leadership on republican part.
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Let us know how Obamacare is going to work out for you since I am sure as a union employee and one of Obama's biggest supporters that you are willingly accepting his signature legislation and not supporting your union in opting out
 
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Jack Hays said:
Repubs were effectively shut out. Regardless, as a simple matter of political mechanics, the fact that it was enacted on a party line vote means it will remain an active political issue indefinitely. Wiser leadership in the past actively engaged the minority specifically to avoid this outcome.:peace
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depends on you definition of shut out i suppose....they knew it was going to become law, and really offered nothing to improve it.
 
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FederalRepublic said:
Your list of things we're forced to do was a list of things we aren't forced to do. I can't really elaborate more than that.
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you can't elaborate because you know i'm right . everything i said is spot on. sorry, but it is.
 
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Conservative said:
Let us know how Obamacare is going to work out for you since I am sure as a union employee and one of Obama's biggest supporters that you are willingly accepting his signature legislation and not supporting your union in opting out
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i accept this legislation as i believe it is a big step in the right direction, and i would have supported it regardless if i were a member of a union....being as you like to try and troll me on my union membership, that will be the extent of my response.... i believe ACA to be good for the country as a whole.
 
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