Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

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Bronson said:

They've proposed several appropriation funding bills which Harry Reid (who runs The Senate) has rejected

So talk to The Democrats if you're worried about 17% of the non essentials of our bloated Government continuously operating

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Was the Senate working within it's constitutional powers in rejecting those bills?

You can't seriously believe the House is permitted to tack whatever laws it wants on a funding bill and it should be automatically passed. They could demand we replace the federal income tax with a national sales tax. I'd expect the Senate to vote against that as well. It's not the last person who votes who gets blamed. It's who made the unreasonable demand that couldn't get the votes.

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Bronson said:

Look it's not my problem you're not educated on how the Separation of Powers in this country works

I suggest you read The Constitution. You might learn something

Good day to you :2wave:

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So you don't know why they can't just ask for the Presidents resignation but they can repeal laws he signed without a Congressional vote?
The answer is that they can do neither. They originate spending bills and that's IT.

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Bronson said:

They've proposed several appropriation funding bills which Harry Reid (who runs The Senate) has rejected

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Exactly. So why don't they pass one that might pass the Senate instead of engaging in ****ty political theater?

The rest of your post is just partisan rants from a Republican masquerading as a Libertarian, and have nothing to do with what I said or the topic of the thread. (Or in fact, reality). You guys all up in arms about a couple of memorials being shut down, and no White House tours, and no Blue Angels...how about some substance? Or is that too much to expect from Boehner (who is, like Obama, leading from behind)?

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trfjr said:

Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits' - Forbes

Obama care is going to need enrollment in the tens of millions by Dec 15 or it will be a bust. more then half of those tens of millions will need to be young and healthy to keep the premiums where they are at, or the price will have to be raised even higher then they already are

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So what are tea partybots afraid of again? Oh yeah, that Americans will decide that Obamacare works.

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Bronson said:

They've proposed several appropriation funding bills which Harry Reid (who runs The Senate) has rejected

So talk to The Democrats if you're worried about 17% of the non essentials of our bloated Government continuously operating

You should also ask Obama why he engaging in this shutdown theatre to try and make the shutdown seem a lot worse than it actually is. That includes barricading privately funded WW2 memorials and kicking Vietnam Vets off their memorials.

Why should Congress fund a bill that gives Obama such power and control over all our lives? Look at the way Obama is already ABUSING his power as President by wielding his IRS/NSA/EPA like the Gestapo. Why should give Obama more power if he's a thug? Congress is doing the right thing. Obamacare is an absolute Fascist Totalitarian disaster and it needs to be stopped.

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Deflect and start the Reverso-Meme. Now the GOP isn't responsible for shutting down the government even though they did.

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vvx said:

Was the Senate working within it's constitutional powers in rejecting those bills?

You can't seriously believe the House is permitted to tack whatever laws it wants on a funding bill and it should be automatically passed. They could demand we replace the federal income tax with a national sales tax. I'd expect the Senate to vote against that as well. It's not the last person who votes who gets blamed. It's who made the unreasonable demand that couldn't get the votes.

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Obamacare is a financial disaster that will cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. This country is already 17T (and rising) in debt. Obamacare is also costing the economy jobs and turning our workforce into a part time hamburger flipper nation, while at the same time giving Government unprecedented powers over all our lives. It's a good thing we have sane and rational people still in Government that want to put a stop to this madness. Left Wing Collectivist Fascism has marched unchecked for far too long. The premise that The Left is trying to push is comical and embarrassing and not to mention, desperate.

That's why you look like pathetic thugs blocking 90 year WW2 vets from visiting their memorials. Sadistic and petty politics. All of the "hostage taking/terrorist" rhetoric is just projection from Obama and his sycophants.

Again The House has passed several appropriations bills to fund specific resources like Children's HC and Veteran's Benefits. This is how our Government used to work, instead of a single bill that funds everything, but Harry Reid and President Obama refuse to pass them. President Obama and I QUOTE "I refuse to negotiate" has repeatedly refused to reach across the aisle in a "bi-partisan" manner and come to a compromise. Reid and Obama have repeatedly said "our way or the highway". We don't live in a Dictatorship (yet).

For years Democrats have preached there must be bi-partisanship. During The Bush years that's all the sheep used to ever bleet. Well it's time you authoritarian thugs come to the table and start negotiating.

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Moot said:

I heard they didn't anticipate a large number of enrollees in the first month or so because:

1. The insurance wouldn't take effect until Jan. 1

2. People are still learning and weighing their options

3. A lot of people wait until the last minute

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I think that too, one must remember that programs like this proceed from the assumption that people are incompetent to take care of themselves. The sort of people attracted to it by and large can hardly be expected to navigate something as complicated as form. This is why the position of "Navigators" had to be created. That must be a Latin term for "the incompetent and untrained leading the blind and clueless."

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Bronson said:

Obamacare is a financial disaster that will cost taxpayers trillions of dollars. This country is already 17T (and rising) in debt. Obamacare is also costing the economy jobs and turning our workforce into a part time hamburger flipper nation, while at the same time giving Government unprecedented powers over all our lives. It's a good thing we have sane and rational people still in Government that want to put a stop to this madness. Left Wing Collectivist Fascism has marched unchecked for far too long. The premise that The Left is trying to push is comical and embarrassing and not to mention, desperate.

That's why you look like pathetic thugs blocking 90 year WW2 vets from visiting their memorials. Sadistic and petty politics. All of the "hostage taking/terrorist" rhetoric is just projection from Obama and his sycophants.

Again The House has passed several appropriations bills to fund specific resources like Children's HC and Veteran's Benefits. This is how our Government used to work, instead of a single bill that funds everything, but Harry Reid and President Obama refuse to pass them. President Obama and I QUOTE "I refuse to negotiate" has repeatedly refused to reach across the aisle in a "bi-partisan" manner and come to a compromise. Reid and Obama have repeatedly said "our way or the highway". We don't live in a Dictatorship (yet).

For years Democrats have preached there must be bi-partisanship. During The Bush years that's all the sheep used to ever bleet. Well it's time you authoritarian thugs come to the table and start negotiating.

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What have the Republicans offered in this supposed negotiation?

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Deuce said:

What have the Republicans offered in this supposed negotiation?

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Numerous appropriations bills that fund children's HC and veteran's benefits to name a few. 85% of the Government hasn't shut down. There is not danger of default. Your welfare check is still on it's way, unless Obama wants to play scare politics with that too. The Government will continue to pay the interest on it's debt, regardless what happens with the debt ceiling.

Every single appropriation bill has been rejected by Reid and Obama who have both said "They refuse to negotiate"

Yea I already know what your reply will be. Obot talking points.

Why don't you ask Obama why he wired that memorial shut and blocked WW2 vets from visiting their memorial? Ask him why's he's a corrupt fascist thug, abusing his authority in a sadistic manner.

I've been going to work. Working hard. Making money and didn't need the Government for anything. Hey what a concept!

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Oftencold said:

I think that too, one must remember that programs like this proceed from the assumption that people are incompetent to take care of themselves. The sort of people attracted to it by and large can hardly be expected to navigate something as complicated as form. This is why the position of "Navigators" had to be created. That must be a Latin term for "the incompetent and untrained leading the blind and clueless."

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So you think people without health insurance are incompetant? Is that what you're trying to say?

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tech30528 said:

Who would have expected them to wrong about something pertaining to the health care bill? They have had three YEARS to work on it, and from what we have been told they understand the American people and what we want. Guess they totally blew it on what would happen the first day, but other than that I'm sure they are spot on.

I haven't looked at the exchanges yet. I'm curious to see what we can get compared to what we have, but it's kind of a moot point considering how it will be shuffled by the time it actually works. I'm waiting on the final version so I can use it as a model for my business. I'm thinking I can send vehicle maintenance schedules to everyone in the county and then just go ahead and Bill them for the services whether they do them of not. It will be a generic service that will cover everything. So people with an automatic transmission will still pay for clutch replacement, people with a manual trans will still pay for fluid flushes. Everyone will pay for timing belt replacement whether they have one or not. There may be some who complain, but the schedule I send them will clearly state " it's for the children" so I'm sure they will comply. For those who won't I'll just steal their cars.

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They weren't wrong...



"...Days before the open enrollment for the exchanges, four in 10 adults under 30 say they are “very likely” or “absolutely certain” to purchase medical coverage through the health insurance exchanges. Four in 10 uninsured adults, and nearly half of adults who purchase insurance on their own, say they are likely to purchase coverage via the exchanges. These figures are unchanged from the July and August tracking polls....

Among all adults who say there is at least a “50-*‐50” chance they will participate in the health insurance exchanges, 13 percent say they will enroll on October 1 and 28 percent will enroll later in October. Half of uninsured adults or adults who purchase their own care plan on enrolling during the month of October.....

Overall, only 4 percent of adults say they are planning on paying the penalty associated with not having minimal coverage by March 31, 2014. Fully 22 percent of uninsured Americans, however, say they are planning on paying the penalty.....

http://b-i.forbesimg.com/theapothecary/files/2013/09/TMC-September-2013-Tracking-Poll-Memo.pdf

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Bronson said:

Numerous appropriations bills that fund children's HC and veteran's benefits to name a few. 85% of the Government hasn't shut down. There is not danger of default. Your welfare check is still on it's way, unless Obama wants to play scare politics with that too. The Government will continue to pay the interest on it's debt, regardless what happens with the debt ceiling.

Every single appropriation bill has been rejected by Reid and Obama who have both said "They refuse to negotiate"

Yea I already know what your reply will be. Obot talking points.

Why don't you ask Obama why he wired that memorial shut and blocked WW2 vets from visiting their memorial? Ask him why's he's a corrupt fascist thug, abusing his authority in a sadistic manner.

I've been going to work. Working hard. Making money and didn't need the Government for anything. Hey what a concept!

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None of those bills actually solved the shutdown problem though. They're red herrings. And what does that actually give the Democrats? "We'll do what we were doing before but also some of the stuff the GOP wants" isn't giving the Democrats anything. What do the Democrats get that they didn't have before?

Why was the memorial shut? Because it's not an essential government operation and Congress has not authorized it to be open at this time. Because the Republicans insist on unilateral legislative authority they don't actually possess.

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Moot said:

So you think people without health insurance are incompetant? Is that what you're trying to say?

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I think he was talking about the incompetent -ists that passed this disaster knowing full well the American people didn't want it.

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ItAin'tFree said:

I think he was talking about the incompetent -ists that passed this disaster knowing full well the American people didn't want it.

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I think he was talking about the people who would sign up on the insurance exchanges.

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Moot said:

So you think people without health insurance are incompetant? Is that what you're trying to say?

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No. But most people who think that they have a right to seize the fruits of other people's labor to pay for their healthcare tend, in my experience, to be none too bright. This is especially true when they assume that the Productives will not seek to escape from such a system, of forgo further significant production. In the case of Obamacare, this has already begun as he exempts his wealthy cronies from key aspects of the scheme.

By the same token, people who consider something as complicated as the delivery and advancement of medicine, and suppose that a bureaucracy heretofore almost exclusively uninvolved in that sphere and largely headed by self-interested career functionaries and politicians will deliver superior results, are sadly not really engaged thinkers, they are fantasists.

And while not everyone who is incapable of providing basic care of themselves is incompetent, almost everyone who is incompetent is incapable of providing basic care for themselves.

Theses are merely very basic realizations that a competent reality-based thinker of at least adolescent level thinking will arrive at with a few moments' thought.

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Deuce said:

None of those bills actually solved the shutdown problem though. They're red herrings. And what does that actually give the Democrats? "We'll do what we were doing before but also some of the stuff the GOP wants" isn't giving the Democrats anything. What do the Democrats get that they didn't have before?

Why was the memorial shut? Because it's not an essential government operation and Congress has not authorized it to be open at this time. Because the Republicans insist on unilateral legislative authority they don't actually possess.

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What's the partial shutdown that the Dems caused gotten them besides more anger at them?

Once again Obamadon'tcare is the gift that just keeps on giving and giving to the GOP. Makes no difference how this partial shutdown ends. if the Dems get their way, this will have been a great reminder to everyone on who it is that is completely responsible for the disaster Obamadon'tcare. Especially when the disaster and reality hits those dumb enough to have thought this insurance was free or more affordable. Those folks are not going to be happy and they will know exactly who to blame. Everybody else who see's their rates jump pretty much already know who to blame. Everybody that has or is real soon to lose the insurance they once had, will know exactly who to blame.

On the other hand, if the GOP gets any concession or flat out defunding of Obamadon'tcare, they get the credit and America wins.

Heads the GOP wins, tails the GOP wins. Obama and Reid can continue their BS games with the American people but once again the longer this drags out the better for the GOP.

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Moot said:

I heard they didn't anticipate a large number of enrollees in the first month or so because:

1. The insurance wouldn't take effect until Jan. 1

2. People are still learning and weighing their options

3. A lot of people wait until the last minute

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... this doesn't explain why there are less than 10 people signed up.

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jmotivator said:

... this doesn't explain why there are less than 10 people signed up.

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If it's not the truth then why should it have to be explained?

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Moot said:

If it's not the truth then why should it have to be explained?

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Because "NUH UH!!! LALALALALALA!" isn't an argument.

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ItAin'tFree said:

What's the partial shutdown that the Dems caused gotten them besides more anger at them?

Once again Obamadon'tcare is the gift that just keeps on giving and giving to the GOP. Makes no difference how this partial shutdown ends. if the Dems get their way, this will have been a great reminder to everyone on who it is that is completely responsible for the disaster Obamadon'tcare. Especially when the disaster and reality hits those dumb enough to have thought this insurance was free or more affordable. Those folks are not going to be happy and they will know exactly who to blame. Everybody else who see's their rates jump pretty much already know who to blame. Everybody that has or is real soon to lose the insurance they once had, will know exactly who to blame.

On the other hand, if the GOP gets any concession or flat out defunding of Obamadon'tcare, they get the credit and America wins.

Heads the GOP wins, tails the GOP wins. Obama and Reid can continue their BS games with the American people but once again the longer this drags out the better for the GOP.

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Keep telling yourself that. It will make 2014 all the sweeter. The number of people shocked by how much they're saving will just keep growing and growing.

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iguanaman said:

So you think that if the House T's don't get what they want they can just stop the money till they do? The there would be no reason to have the other branches of Govt. since they would all be forced to do whatever the House wants no matter what it is. The next time the Dems have a House majority get ready for a assault weapons ban and strict gun control measures. other wise they won't give out a dime. You see it doesn't sound so good when the shoe is on the other foot.

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In principal? In this case the House told the President he could have the cash and he refused it. The condition they made was the temporary funding of a program. So yes. In this case the House is doing, what the constitution says it should. It is controlling the government's funding.

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Deuce said:

Keep telling yourself that. It will make 2014 all the sweeter. The number of people shocked by how much they're saving will just keep growing and growing.

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:lamo Complete opposite of reality....

"On Thursday, the government's official Obamacare Facebook page was riddled with people expressing sticker shock over the government's high cost premiums after struggling for hours to wade through the technical failures vexing Obamacare exchanges all across the country.

"I am so disappointed," wrote one woman. "These prices are outrageous and there are huge deductibles. No one can afford this!" The comment received 169 "likes."

"There is NO WAY I can afford it," said one commenter after using the Kaiser Subsidy Calculator. "Heck right now I couldn't afford an extra 10$ [sic] a month...and oh apparently I make to [sic] much at 8.55/hour to get subsidies."

Obamacare Facebook Erupts with Citizen Sticker Shock

So, although it is early on in the roll out, so far it can only be described as an unmitigated disaster.

Oh, and that is not even to start discussing how code writers, and IT security people that have looked at the site, have described nothing less than a hackers, or identity thief's dream.

"On Fox Business Network’s “Cavuto” on Wednesday, computer programmer and founder of McAfee, Inc. John McAfee said the online component of Obamacare “is a hacker’s wet dream” that will cause “the loss of income for the millions of Americans who are going to lose their identities.”

For starters, McAfee said the way it is set up makes it possible for fake websites be set up to fool people to think they’re signing up for Obamacare.

“It’s seriously bad,” McAfee said. “Somebody made a grave error, not in designing the program but in simply implementing the web aspect of it. I mean, for example, anybody can put up a web page and claim to be a broker for this system. There is no central place where I can go and say, ‘OK, here are all the legitimate brokers, the examiners for all of the states and pick and choose one.’”



Read more: McAfee on Obamacare: 'This is a hacker's wet dream' [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller

I wouldn't go anywhere near that site, even to check it out.

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tererun said:

It is constitutional for me to fall down in a fit because I did not get my way and cry on the sidewalk. There are lots of things that are constitutional that are not good things you can do.


You can call yourself whatever you want, when you go running around with the group of them you are a republican. You can think you are the queen of england for all I care, you side with them and i am putting you with them.

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I think you just put everything that is wrong with our political system in one sentence. Us verse them. If the idiots on the hill worked together, we would be much better off.

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Blue_State said:

I think you just put everything that is wrong with our political system in one sentence. Us verse them. If the idiots on the hill worked together, we would be much better off.

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The problem with that is that when a liberal progressive says 'we need to work together', what they really mean is 'you need to do everything my way'....

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trfjr said:

Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits' - Forbes

Obama care is going to need enrollment in the tens of millions by Dec 15 or it will be a bust. more then half of those tens of millions will need to be young and healthy to keep the premiums where they are at, or the price will have to be raised even higher then they already are

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I signed up for my state's exchange, and it looks much better than what I have. It's a bummer I have to wait for it to kick in, because I sure could use it now. The premiums are about the same as I pay now for much better care. There are half a million people in my state alone who are uninsured, and I think the truth is that most of them want health insurance and have never been willing to jump through the hoops to get it. They're lazy and the mandate will help people go out there and get insurance. The end result will be a better system, one in which people start getting preventative care. It's going to make our country better, and for the many posters in this thread who talk about how horrible they think Obama is, making the country better seems like a pretty good use of our money. Bush - used our money to invade two countries. Obama - used our money to set up affordable health insurance for the majority of our citizens.

I can see why that's so scary to Republicans. No, I'm just kidding, I have no idea why anybody would be terrified of the ACA. We need to reform entitlement programs and get spending down, granted, but Obamacare seems good to me.