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Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

If you do not understand then you will need help in freedom. Freedom doesn't tell you how to behave. Freedom doesn't tell you what church to go to, what morals to follow, or anything like that. When you understand that your actions have consequences it is then you decide how you will contribute to society. I don't go out and not kill people because the laws says I should not. I do not need a law to tell me it is wrong to steal from people. I know those things now, and others do not so they need laws and rules and less freedom to hurt others.

How does that apply to anything I said? I will end this now by helping you. It doesn't.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

No freedom is not a right. It requires you to take responsibility for your actions and to understand how you effect the world and to do so in a mindful and constructive way. That is the good part of freedom. You just want to piss all over everything you do not like, and that is fascism. freedom means saying I am going to work with my neighbors and make my community better, or I am going to go over here and do my thing in peace. Anything else is you trying to impose your opinions on others and sometimes that has to happen. Sometimes we say killing people is wrong so we will punish those who do it. Sometimes we say stealing is wrong so we will punish those who do that. But we can come together and say we can work together to advance things like education, infrastructure, medicine, food, shelter, clothing, and provide those things for everyone. That does not mean you get the best, but we can provide you with the minimals and I am sure when you see other people having fun you will wish to join in and contribute to society. That is freedom.

Your opinion noted and you can call it what ever you want but don't ignore what is happening to it when you force people to do what they don't want to do. Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue not a Federal issue. If people don't want to purchase healthcare why should the govt. force them to do that? I employed over 1200 people, provide healthcare opportunities to them all, 50% chose to participate. Do you think the Federal Govt should force those other 50% to participate. You see, freedom seems to be whatever some people want it to be and others should be forced into doing what some people want.

Please give an example of where this President held people responsible for their actions? Give me anywhere in history where our Founders or leaders believed it was the Government's responsibility to mandate health insurance for individuals who didn't want to participate? Our Founders understood it, today's liberals don't. Our country was built on Neighbor helping neighbor and that neighbor was never intended to be a federal bureaucrat
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

Your opinion noted and you can call it what ever you want but don't ignore what is happening to it when you force people to do what they don't want to do. Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue not a Federal issue. If people don't want to purchase healthcare why should the govt. force them to do that? I employed over 1200 people, provide healthcare opportunities to them all, 50% chose to participate. Do you think the Federal Govt should force those other 50% to participate. You see, freedom seems to be whatever some people want it to be and others should be forced into doing what some people want.

Please give an example of where this President held people responsible for their actions? Give me anywhere in history where our Founders or leaders believed it was the Government's responsibility to mandate health insurance for individuals who didn't want to participate? Our Founders understood it, today's liberals don't. Our country was built on Neighbor helping neighbor and that neighbor was never intended to be a federal bureaucrat
you are 'forced' to carry liability insurance if you want to have tags and be able to drive your car, your boat, your motorcycle...you are 'forced' to buy/have permits to build/renovate a house, you are 'forced' to have or to get insurance on a new home or car if purchasing one, you are 'forced' to have a driver's license to operate said motor vehicle, your are 'forced' to take a drug screen to gain employment... point being, you are 'forced' to do alot of things...why do you support the ability of people to opt out of carrying health insurance, and passing their costs onto the rest of us? you supposedly being all fiscally conservative and everything.......
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

What world do you live in? What did Obama give into the right on? You are entitled to your own opinion but you certainly aren't entitled to your own facts. This is the most devisive President I have ever seen. Did you see what he did to McCain in the Healthcare meeting? How about Paul Ryan in talking about the budget? This "Street Thug" President is a Community agitator not a leader and is destroying the economy of this country.

You have no idea what Jesus believed because I assure you it was compassionate spending that generated positive results not just spending in the name of compassion to make people like you feel good.

I cannot make you see the truth, I can only present it to you.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

you are 'forced' to carry liability insurance if you want to have tags and be able to drive your car, your boat, your motorcycle...you are 'forced' to buy/have permits to build/renovate a house, you are 'forced' to have or to get insurance on a new home or car if purchasing one, you are 'forced' to have a driver's license to operate said motor vehicle, your are 'forced' to take a drug screen to gain employment... point being, you are 'forced' to do alot of things...why do you support the ability of people to opt out of carrying health insurance, and passing their costs onto the rest of us? you supposedly being all fiscally conservative and everything.......

All that is state and local law, not federal.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

I have to disagree. Freedom might not be a right in many countries around the globe, but it is the one important thing our Constitution and Bill of Rights grants us here in America. That's one reason why I'm thankful I don't live in North Korea, for instance. When even China is getting on board by increasing freedoms for their people, including encouraging them to personally buy precious metals such as gold coins, that says a lot!

Greetings, telerun. :2wave:


Doesn't change the reality you do not understand the responsibility of freedom and you actually shy away from it and seek guidance from government.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

How does that apply to anything I said? I will end this now by helping you. It doesn't.

Ya'll make sure to come back and show me the bruise on your ass.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

All that is state and local law, not federal.
doesnt matter, you are still 'forced' to carry or obtain insurance, or license/permits....i could add to the list of things you are forced to do, such as adhering to building codes/passing building inspections when building / remodeling a home
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

doesnt matter, you are still 'forced' to carry or obtain insurance, or license/permits....i could add to the list of things you are forced to do, such as adhering to building codes/passing building inspections when building / remodeling a home

That's your problem, you don't understand the difference between federal and local/state law. Start by reading the US Constitution and then move to the Federalist Papers.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

Your opinion noted and you can call it what ever you want but don't ignore what is happening to it when you force people to do what they don't want to do. Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue not a Federal issue. If people don't want to purchase healthcare why should the govt. force them to do that? I employed over 1200 people, provide healthcare opportunities to them all, 50% chose to participate. Do you think the Federal Govt should force those other 50% to participate. You see, freedom seems to be whatever some people want it to be and others should be forced into doing what some people want.

Please give an example of where this President held people responsible for their actions? Give me anywhere in history where our Founders or leaders believed it was the Government's responsibility to mandate health insurance for individuals who didn't want to participate? Our Founders understood it, today's liberals don't. Our country was built on Neighbor helping neighbor and that neighbor was never intended to be a federal bureaucrat

You are not seeing the wave man. I did not make it, and I am only telling you it is there. If you do not want to see it you will be the one who gets hit. I have done all that I can do for you. At the very least try to see just to keep me from being amused as it hits you. I know you won't, but come on step out of the way. Do something because that looks like it is going to hurt as much as last year when you totally missed the Obama presidency wave. This one is bigger and you are not going to be the same afterwards. You can chose to find a new fate, but I cannot make you. Oh, and when it hits do remember I told you and am laughing at you.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

That's your problem, you don't understand the difference between federal and local/state law. Start by reading the US Constitution and then move to the Federalist Papers.
what you think i don't understand is your problem...my point still stands, you are being 'forced' to do alot of things....how about this one to, registering for selective service when you turn 18?
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

Doesn't change the reality you do not understand the responsibility of freedom and you actually shy away from it and seek guidance from government.

Actually I am quite responsible. I worked all my life, and I also raised a family during that time. Not once did I ask for guidance from government, but rather relied upon the parents who raised me, who set the examples I followed. There are millions of people like me out there too, who believe in being responsible, and respectable, good citizens.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

you are 'forced' to carry liability insurance if you want to have tags and be able to drive your car, your boat, your motorcycle...you are 'forced' to buy/have permits to build/renovate a house, you are 'forced' to have or to get insurance on a new home or car if purchasing one, you are 'forced' to have a driver's license to operate said motor vehicle, your are 'forced' to take a drug screen to gain employment... point being, you are 'forced' to do alot of things...why do you support the ability of people to opt out of carrying health insurance, and passing their costs onto the rest of us? you supposedly being all fiscally conservative and everything.......

LOL, you don't have to drive and millions don't own a car. Car insurance is for the protection of others not your own. Car insurance isn't a federal mandate either, national healthcare is? By the way did you get your union exemption from Obamacare?

You don't seem to understand the difference between federal and state laws nor the difference between a use mandate and a personal responsibility mandate.

Ask "your" President why he has allowed supporters like unions to opt out of Obamacare? If Obamacare is so great why are exemptions even given?

As for costs, you don't seem to understand that the people of your state pay for the uninsured in your state, not the federal taxpayers. This is just another example of the lies Obama makes to people like you who willingly accept those lies.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

I cannot make you see the truth, I can only present it to you.

You will never make anyone see anything if you don't answer the direct questions? What exactly did Obama give Republicans?
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

LOL, you don't have to drive and millions don't own a car. Car insurance is for the protection of others not your own. Car insurance isn't a federal mandate either, national healthcare is? By the way did you get your union exemption from Obamacare?

You don't seem to understand the difference between federal and state laws nor the difference between a use mandate and a personal responsibility mandate.

Ask "your" President why he has allowed supporters like unions to opt out of Obamacare? If Obamacare is so great why are exemptions even given?

As for costs, you don't seem to understand that the people of your state pay for the uninsured in your state, not the federal taxpayers. This is just another example of the lies Obama makes to people like you who willingly accept those lies.
i don't agree with you, so i don't understand anything, typical response from you, got it....hmmm...i don't have to drive? how would you expect me to be able to work and run my errands? the insurance is indeed meant to protect others , for the most part, but i still have to carry it if i want to drive or get my tags/plates. my point still stands, you have shown/posted nothing that disputes it, all you can do is tell me that i "don't seem to understand", when it is you who doesn't.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

what you think i don't understand is your problem...my point still stands, you are being 'forced' to do alot of things....how about this one to, registering for selective service when you turn 18?

Because each state and locality decides it's own rules in that regard and if you don't favor your community's take on it you can move to another. You have more direct input into state and local law than you do federal. It's the way our country was put together. A good example would be your local fire department, In some communities that is on the individual, and others decide to do it as a community.

As for selective service, that betrays your lack of knowledge where it comes to the system of government we have and the US Constitution. The US military is a federal responsibility. Auto insurance and healthcare, not so much.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

you are 'forced' to carry liability insurance if you want to have tags and be able to drive your car, your boat, your motorcycle...you are 'forced' to buy/have permits to build/renovate a house, you are 'forced' to have or to get insurance on a new home or car if purchasing one, you are 'forced' to have a driver's license to operate said motor vehicle, your are 'forced' to take a drug screen to gain employment... point being, you are 'forced' to do alot of things...why do you support the ability of people to opt out of carrying health insurance, and passing their costs onto the rest of us? you supposedly being all fiscally conservative and everything.......

This is a straw man. Why should people be able to pass their costs onto the rest of us? Oh, I remember, because some people think it's a human right to have others carry your burdens for you.
 
Re: Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits

i don't agree with you, so i don't understand anything, typical response from you, got it....hmmm...i don't have to drive? how would you expect me to be able to work and run my errands? the insurance is indeed meant to protect others , for the most part, but i still have to carry it if i want to drive or get my tags/plates. my point still stands, you have shown/posted nothing that disputes it, all you can do is tell me that i "don't seem to understand", when it is you who doesn't.

In this case you've demonstrated you "don't understand anything" (at least where it comes to our system and federal versus state and local law).
 
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The public has already had multiple elections for president and congress with options to take out the people who would vote for this and put people clearly for removing it into office. They have not done that, so you cannot say that is what they want. Even with all the republican gerrymandering they do not have the power to do so, and next election will be another wake up call for your party. Actually it won't be the wake up call it will be a split of your party with the radical tea party base going on their own and moderates voting for dems. You are going to get hammered because of this fit. There is no vote right now. The only polls showing republicans are doing well are polling republicans. The information of the internet is out there and faux news is being drowned out by the noise of information rather than misinformation and it is just getting stronger. The only people avoiding the internet and it's messages are the old and dying people living in faux land. Their illusion is coming to an end.

Are you trying to deny that the majority of Americans does not want the Mandate through spin?
 
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i don't agree with you, so i don't understand anything, typical response from you, got it....hmmm...i don't have to drive? how would you expect me to be able to work and run my errands? the insurance is indeed meant to protect others , for the most part, but i still have to carry it if i want to drive or get my tags/plates. my point still stands, you have shown/posted nothing that disputes it, all you can do is tell me that i "don't seem to understand", when it is you who doesn't.

Actually you don't have to get car insurance in order to be able to drive a car. You don't have to have home owner's insurance to buy a home. You don't have to have a building permit to put up a building. You don't have to have a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle. You don't have to take a drug screen to gain employment, and you shouldn't have to have health insurance to be alive in America.
 
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This is a straw man. Why should people be able to pass their costs onto the rest of us? Oh, I remember, because some people think it's a human right to have others carry your burdens for you.
what strawman? is that not the truth, i go into an emergency room, rack up several hundred/thousand dollars for treatment, don't have any insurance, because i CHOSE not to carry it, not that i COULDNT IF I WANTED TO, or COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT WITH HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT, but because it was being 'forced' on me i choose not too...so...the hospital treats me, then passes those costs on to those that do have insurance. then those poor saps that have insurance through their employers, watch their cost go up, year to year for the portion they pay for their insurance.
 
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Actually you don't have to get car insurance in order to be able to drive a car. You don't have to have home owner's insurance to buy a home. You don't have to have a building permit to put up a building. You don't have to have a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle. You don't have to take a drug screen to gain employment, and you shouldn't have to have health insurance to be alive in America.
actually, you do, and i'd be curious to hear who told you otherwise.....
 
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i don't agree with you, so i don't understand anything, typical response from you, got it....hmmm...i don't have to drive? how would you expect me to be able to work and run my errands? the insurance is indeed meant to protect others , for the most part, but i still have to carry it if i want to drive or get my tags/plates. my point still stands, you have shown/posted nothing that disputes it, all you can do is tell me that i "don't seem to understand", when it is you who doesn't.

If you don't want people to see who you are and what you don't understand, stop posting. Ask the millions and millions of Americans that don't drive a car how they get that done? Americans who don't drive aren't forced to have car insurance. I am still waiting for you to tell us why if Obamacare is so great the unions want an exemptions?
 
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If you don't want people to see who you are and what you don't understand, stop posting. Ask the millions and millions of Americans that don't drive a car how they get that done? Americans who don't drive aren't forced to have car insurance. I am still waiting for you to tell us why if Obamacare is so great the unions want an exemptions?
if you have nothing constructive to add, please don't respond to my posts...
 
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Because each state and locality decides it's own rules in that regard and if you don't favor your community's take on it you can move to another. You have more direct input into state and local law than you do federal. It's the way our country was put together. A good example would be your local fire department, In some communities that is on the individual, and others decide to do it as a community.

As for selective service, that betrays your lack of knowledge where it comes to the system of government we have and the US Constitution. The US military is a federal responsibility. Auto insurance and healthcare, not so much.
and how does that 'betray' a lack of knowledge? it is something the government 'forced' on me when i turned 18 so many moons ago.
 
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