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Blue Ridge hotel defies Park Service shutdown

apdst said:
A CBS poll? There's a winner!...lol
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Do they also say that Obama's approval rating is in the very low 40's currently, and still dropping?

Perotista follows this stuff as a hobby, BTW. He was remarkably accurately in both 2010 and 2012, since he doesn't like either party, so he has no ax to grind. My kind of researcher!

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Sorry dude, you did say this:



notice those words..." would have to vacate "....know what that means? Means mandatory, required, means just what you said, they HAVE TO. No amount of weasel words after the fact are going to help...

So squirm as much as you want, not wriggling off that hook that you skewered yourself with...we all make mistakes, best just admit it and move on, but to keep saying you didn't when you obviously did...well, just looks small...
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if the tenant does not follow the unilateral contract modification to discontinue operations, then the contractor has no basis to recover a claim against the government for lost revenues/profits
again, that you are unable to understand something so basic is not a surprise
 
EdwinWillers said:
I find it rather interesting that Obama stationed more people and invested more resources to guard the WWII memorial in D.C. than he did for the American embassy in Benghazi.
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I find it rather interesting that Obama has nothing to do with the amount of people stationed at what embassy or monument. He's either the omnipotent dictator dealing with every minuscule decision or he's a doofus in Washington who has no idea what is going on. Which is it?
 
EdwinWillers said:
That's the thing about the truth - one can either lie about it; or, if they have yet a semblance of self respect, they do what you did here and merely joke about it. Either way, it remains the truth.
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It is also true that Obama had more people at the memorial than he has on the moon. So?
 
Hatuey said:
I find it rather interesting that Obama has nothing to do with the amount of people stationed at what embassy or monument. He's either the omnipotent dictator dealing with every minuscule decision or he's a doofus in Washington who has no idea what is going on. Which is it?
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He appointed the incompetents that do so pretending he has "nothing to do" with it is absurd. It's would also be absurd to think that the incompetents he appointed don't get guidance from him.
 
apdst said:
Of course he shouldn't. He!s just the president. Since when is the president held responsible? Since Obama was elected...that's when.
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I think you have this backwards.

It should be "Since when is the president NOT held responsible? Since Obama was elected...that's when."
 
Gipper said:
Are you being comical, or is it your de facto position to worship at the Big Tent?
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I'm just saying we cannot say this is breach of contract since we have no idea what that contract actually says. For all we know this situation is covered in the contract and the government is within its rights.
 
vvx said:
I'm just saying we cannot say this is breach of contract since we have no idea what that contract actually says. For all we know this situation is covered in the contract and the government is within its rights.
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Government shutdowns in the contract. Right. I keep forgetting how common these things are.

Maybe if a wild badger destroys your place, you can call your insurance company and see if they have a "what if" clause for it.
 
justabubba said:
if the tenant does not follow the unilateral contract modification to discontinue operations, then the contractor has no basis to recover a claim against the government for lost revenues/profits
again, that you are unable to understand something so basic is not a surprise
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Well, seeing as we are not talking about a UCM here since nobody is discussing, nobody with the exception of you, trying at some point in the future to recover a claim against lost revenues. Rather, we were talking about this guy keeping his operation open, with diners and overnight guests already booked ahead of time I think it would be logical to surmise...

This from the article: "Rooms cost $125 a night and the restaurant would serve about 20,000 tourists during a typical October, O’Connell said"

That is a lot of unnecessarily turned away customers, a lot of money and I doubt for which the government has offered to compensate fully... and if they did I would even be more outraged as this business operation using nothing under Federal responsibility but that which is rented and maintained by the Concession operator should remain open... this is just vindictive and stupid.

In any event, you have backpedaled enough, it grows truly tiresome with all these feeble attempts to extricate one from the wreckage of a flat out wrong initial statement.

The Jaws of life could not save this thing.
 
justabubba said:
if the tenant does not follow the unilateral contract modification to discontinue operations, then the contractor has no basis to recover a claim against the government for lost revenues/profits
again, that you are unable to understand something so basic is not a surprise
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You may have a point. It's not the point you intended to make however. True the operator may be able to make a claim against lost revenue however this independent businessman didn't want to rely on government to insure his profit. He preferred self reliance and not putting his hand in the public till. On the other hand, Obama has shown that in a shut down, instead of not spending money that's not authorized, he will actually spend more money to inconvenience people for a cheap political point. It's petty and small minded, just the kind of dirty politics that Obama is making famous.

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The AFA hasn't even been passed and yet it has still become hugely political, with the government actually, and unnecessarily, closing down parks and businesses. What slow witted AFA supporters don't seem to understand from all of this is that it will always be political. Parties will promise more of it, less of it (in order to pay off tremendous debt) but it will always be a serious political football which will drag the country down even further.

When a politician and his bureaucrats claim they can close down anything on a whim then even the most ardent pro Obama leftist should give this a moments thought. This is not good or competent or honest government, it is a revenge government on anyone who dares defy them.
 
Deuce said:
It is also true that Obama had more people at the memorial than he has on the moon. So?
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...but how many potatoes does he have in outer space, man? Hmm? Answer me that!

:doh
 
 
Grant said:
The AFA hasn't even been passed and yet it has still become hugely political, with the government actually, and unnecessarily, closing down parks and businesses. What slow witted AFA supporters don't seem to understand from all of this is that it will always be political. Parties will promise more of it, less of it (in order to pay off tremendous debt) but it will always be a serious political football which will drag the country down even further.

When a politician and his bureaucrats claim they can close down anything on a whim then even the most ardent pro Obama leftist should give this a moments thought. This is not good or competent or honest government, it is a revenge government on anyone who dares defy them.
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is the AFA?
 
Grant said:
That typo really through you off, huh?
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Well, I would have assumed you meant ACA except you said "The AFA hasn't even been passed and yet it has still become hugely political". Can't be ACA you're talking about since what you're talking about hasn't even been passed.
 
vvx said:
Well, I would have assumed you meant ACA except you said "The AFA hasn't even been passed and yet it has still become hugely political". Can't be ACA you're talking about since what you're talking about hasn't even been passed.
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You're right. It was a jumbled sentence. Some people are already in the process of signing up.

But the larger point is that people are fighting over the AFA now, the government is closing down parks, businesses and selected monuments etc. This will continue for years with the AFA always being a subject of debate during elections and the government issuing threats. Closing down monument sites and legal businesses are unnecessary symbols of government power and one which concern everyone. Remember that the opposition can always do it later unless they get their way.
 
apdst said:
A CBS poll? There's a winner!...lol
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The funny thing is if the results of the CBS poll indicated that the people didn't like Obamacare you'd be all over it. Fact is, you're only shunning this one because the results aren't in your favor. But to be clear, the only reason I linked to the aforementioned CBS poll was because it was the one most media outlets were using at the time.

Note: I found it interesting that Rassumsen didn't have a poll on which party voters blamed more for the government shutdown. Wonder why?:roll:
 
Objective Voice said:
Note: I found it interesting that Rassumsen didn't have a poll on which party voters blamed more for the government shutdown. Wonder why?:roll:
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They didn't need to, there was a 'poll' at university of colorado, one of the MORE liberal colleges out there...

 
Objective Voice said:
The funny thing is if the results of the CBS poll indicated that the people didn't like Obamacare you'd be all over it. Fact is, you're only shunning this one because the results aren't in your favor. But to be clear, the only reason I linked to the aforementioned CBS poll was because it was the one most media outlets were using at the time.

Note: I found it interesting that Rassumsen didn't have a poll on which party voters blamed more for the government shutdown. Wonder why?:roll:
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Hypocritical much?
 
apdst said:
Hypocritical much?
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How am I being a hypocrite when all I've done is provide a link to public poll? I never said the Democrats nor the President were blameless nor did I say that I favor the CBS poll results. So, how exactly am I being a hypocrite?

What I did say is true, however. If the poll showed results that were more in your favor you'd be all over it. But because this one doesn't, you reject it out of hand.
 
Objective Voice said:
How am I being a hypocrite when all I've done is provide a link to public poll? I never said the Democrats nor the President were blameless nor did I say that I favor the CBS poll results. So, how exactly am I being a hypocrite?

What I did say is true, however. If the poll showed results that were more in your favor you'd be all over it. But because this one doesn't, you reject it out of hand.
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You bash me for picking on the CBS poll, then turn around and bash Rasmussen. Go read your own post.
 
apdst said:
You bash me for picking on the CBS poll, then turn around and bash Rasmussen. Go read your own post.
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But I didn't "bash" Rasmussen. I merely made an observation. I just found it interesting that of all the usual polling sources that took part in this government shutdown blame-game, Rasmussen didn't do one. Of course, the reason they didn't is pretty obvious - it's a Republican polling source and chances are they know that public opinion currently isn't in the Republican Party's favor over this government shutdown.
 
Objective Voice said:
But I didn't "bash" Rasmussen. I merely made an observation. I just found it interesting that of all the usual polling sources that took part in this government shutdown blame-game, Rasmussen didn't do one. Of course, the reason they didn't is pretty obvious - it's a Republican polling source and chances are they know that public opinion currently isn't in the Republican Party's favor over this government shutdown.
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And you thought no one would see through you?
 
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