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Negotations start this evening.

Meaning he vetoed them all? Or they didn't make it past the Senate? Sure sounds like a dictator, letting an elected body speak for the American people and all.

Yes they tried many times. The dictator wouldn't listen. Now they should terminate his golf card.
 
If he was willing to negotiate harry would have let it thru the senate; don't play games. You are smarter than that; well I'd like to think you are. But then if you don't understand how it works then really you aren't. harry and his minions have given obama tons of cover over the last 5 years - its one of the many reasons people call this regime as corrupt as they do....if a Republican were in the white house the senate would have probably impeached him for acting as ofailure has.


Meaning he vetoed them all? Or they didn't make it past the Senate? Sure sounds like a dictator, letting an elected body speak for the American people and all.
 
If he was willing to negotiate harry would have let it thru the senate; don't play games. You are smarter than that; well I'd like to think you are. But then if you don't understand how it works then really you aren't. harry and his minions have given obama tons of cover over the last 5 years - its one of the many reasons people call this regime as corrupt as they do....if a Republican were in the white house the senate would have probably impeached him for acting as ofailure has.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Should the GOP take back the Senate and still hold the House (they will), Obama would over night become a different President. All of a sudden, all laws would have meaning and he'd be following them.
 
Americans elected the people serving in the Senate, just like in the House. We put ourselves in this position. You can't blame Obama because he has the majority in the Senate, that's ridiculous. The House Republicans have had 3 years(!) to repeal/defund Obamacare. Since they couldn't, they have done the next best thing, throw a tantrum.

Let Boehner allow the House to vote on a clean funding bill and lets see how that goes. But he wont because he knows it would pass.

If he was willing to negotiate harry would have let it thru the senate; don't play games. You are smarter than that; well I'd like to think you are. But then if you don't understand how it works then really you aren't. harry and his minions have given obama tons of cover over the last 5 years - its one of the many reasons people call this regime as corrupt as they do....if a Republican were in the white house the senate would have probably impeached him for acting as ofailure has.
 
Why did you use the word blame poor little obama? I never said blame him for having the senate - he is enabled to use it. Any one who thinks they are a leader but is unwilling to discuss / negotiate with a shared power relationship isn't a leader at all - they are attempting to be a dictator and should be labeled as such. This dictator will negotiate with Iran - the country that stones to death teenage boys if they claim they are gay - but this dictator won't negotiate with the duly elected house of representatives. I pray the House of Representatives leaves him in charge of a partially funded govt until we can elect a new legislature and let the people decide.

Americans elected the people serving in the Senate, just like in the House. We put ourselves in this position. You can't blame Obama because he has the majority in the Senate, that's ridiculous. The House Republicans have had 3 years(!) to repeal/defund Obamacare. Since they couldn't, they have done the next best thing, throw a tantrum.

Let Boehner allow the House to vote on a clean funding bill and lets see how that goes. But he wont because he knows it would pass.
 
Look at all the polls and tell me how you think the GOP is going to look after this.

I pray the House of Representatives leaves him in charge of a partially funded govt until we can elect a new legislature and let the people decide.
 
It takes time to over come propaganda of the left and its media. With the loser in charge telling people he won't listen, he won't talk, and with the demented harry saying he won't negotiate or consider even sending negotiators to work out a compromise the tide will turn. The public won't tolerate the golf outings and world grand stand trips of this dictator much longer.


Look at all the polls and tell me how you think the GOP is going to look after this.
 
It takes time to over come propaganda of the left and its media. With the loser in charge telling people he won't listen, he won't talk, and with the demented harry saying he won't negotiate or consider even sending negotiators to work out a compromise the tide will turn. The public won't tolerate the golf outings and world grand stand trips of this dictator much longer.

You'd make a terrible gambler.
 
It takes time to over come propaganda of the left and its media. With the loser in charge telling people he won't listen, he won't talk, and with the demented harry saying he won't negotiate or consider even sending negotiators to work out a compromise the tide will turn. The public won't tolerate the golf outings and world grand stand trips of this dictator much longer.

You mean the ones who elected him twice and favor his party in this shutdown? Right. Sounds like you need some Hope and Change.
 
How may times did the republicans shut down the govt in an attempt to end slavery? (answer: None)

I guess the GOP hates Obamacare more than it hates slavery

You guess incorrect.

The GOP is doing what it can to prevent millions of Americans from becoming slaves to the government. The Dems are doing everything they can to shackle as many Americans to a life of government dependency and control as they can.
 
You guess incorrect.

The GOP is doing what it can to prevent millions of Americans from becoming slaves to the government. The Dems are doing everything they can to shackle as many Americans to a life of government dependency and control as they can.

Interesting tacit confession ...

Since ObamaCare was dreamed up by Conservatives in the early 90's, according to you, the goal of the GOP is to enslave Americans to the government.

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Interesting tacit confession ...

Since ObamaCare was dreamed up by Conservatives in the early 90's, according to you, the goal of the GOP is to enslave Americans to the government.

:2wave:

Your going to have to try harder than that. Obamadon'tcare was dreamed up by the Dems.
 
Your going to have to try harder than that. Obamadon'tcare was dreamed up by the Dems.

And yet, it wasn't ...

Romney: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

Gingrich: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

Romney: Yeah, we got it from you and the Heritage--you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you [sic].

Gingrich: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

Romney: And you've never supported?

Gingrich: I agree with that, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.

Romney: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

Gingrich: I absolutely did, with the Heritage Foundation, against HillaryCare.

Romney: You did support an individual mandate?

Gingrich: Yes sir.

Romney: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

You must think, Gingrich, Romney, and the Heritage Foundation (to name but a few) are Democrats. :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
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And yet, it wasn't ...

Romney: Actually, Newt, we got the idea of an individual mandate from you.

Gingrich: That's not true. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

Romney: Yeah, we got it from you and the Heritage--you got it from the Heritage Foundation and from you [sic].

Gingrich: Wait a second. What you just said is not true. You did not get that from me. You got it from the Heritage Foundation.

Romney: And you've never supported?

Gingrich: I agree with that, but I'm just saying, what you said to this audience just now plain wasn't true.

Romney: OK. Let me ask, have you supported in the past an individual mandate?

Gingrich: I absolutely did, with the Heritage Foundation, against HillaryCare.

Romney: You did support an individual mandate?

Gingrich: Yes sir.

Romney: Oh, OK. That's what I'm saying. We got the idea from you and the Heritage Foundation.

How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

You must think, Gingrich, Romney, and the Heritage Foundation (to name but a few) are Democrats. :lamo :lamo :lamo

This has been beaten to death the last week or two. Old news that had nothing to do with the Dems dreaming up Obamadon'tcare.
 
This has been beaten to death the last week or two. Old news that had nothing to do with the Dems dreaming up Obamadon'tcare.

That's so clever. Did you think that up all by yourself? It must be amazing in that wonderous brain of yours. So clever.

I mean, it was Republicans who coined the phrase "Obamacare" as a slam to the Affordable Care Act and now that its not demonizing it as much as they intended so now you guys are calling it "Obamadon'tcare". Who said conservatives aren't funny?
 
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That's so clever. Did you think that up all by yourself? It must be amazing in that wonderous brain of yours. So clever.

I mean, it was Republicans who coined the phrase "Obamacare" as a slam to the Affordable Care Act and now that its not demonizing it as much as they intended so now you guys are calling it "Obamadon'tcare". Who said conservatives aren't funny?

I like it because he has made it clear he doesn't care who he screws out of getting healthcare. Or who loses their job. Or who gets their hours cut. Or who loses their insurance. Or who gets taxed for no economic activity at all. Or.......
 
This has been beaten to death the last week or two. Old news that had nothing to do with the Dems dreaming up Obamadon'tcare.

You can beat yourself all you want, The principles of ObamaCare started with the Heritage Foundation. Romney implemented it in MA and as you can see in the exchange I provided, Newt supported it as well. Obama then signed it into law for the nation.

Bigger scale, but same concept -- individual and corporation mandates to insure everyone.
 
You mean the right doesn't care about who gets screwed or who loses their job? It is a Conservative plan.

Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans ~ The Heritage Foundation

Thanks for posting that. It points out a slew of differences in the plan that the Heritage Foundation once considered then discarded and Obamdon'tcare. Here's one of the many differences:
"Employer Mandates While most Americans would be reluctant to accept the endemic shortages and explicit rationing of a nati onal health service, many are drawn to the idea of requiring employers to provide hill coverage to workers and their families and mandating large employers to subsidize the health care needs of small firms and'the unemployed. Such proposals admittedly are politically attractive. There always has been an assumption in the U.S., usually encouraged by politicians, that services provided by an employer are somehow the proverbial free lunch. A budget-strapped federal government understandably is drawn to the id e a of shifting the potential cost of programs to the private sector. Unfortunately, there are serious hidden costs associated with such a mandated benefits strategy. The underlying problem with the approach is that costs may be hidden, but they are still t h ere. H an employer is required to provide medical care coverage for an employee and his family, you may be sure that the potential cost of this mandate will be taken into account in hiring practices. Thus when a job applicant mentions that he has four or f ive children and his wife is without work, for example, the employer translates that into an enormous potential health care cost. Thus there will be a strong tendency for firms to avoid hiring the very people that the mandated benefits strategy is designe d to help. With mandated benefits, the danger is that someone with a job but no insurance today Will end up tomorrow with no insurance and no job either. Similarly, a mandated benefits approach would tend to put the greatest hardship on small employers, pr e cisely those who generate the most jobs and create the most employment opportunities for the least skilled Americans. Thus a mandated benefits approach would have the unintended consequence of eliminating economic opportunity for many lower paid Americans without significantly increasing the health care services available to them. "
 
Let me guess: You feel the same way about Dred Scott, Plessey v. Ferguson, and Roe v. Wade. Your faith in the wisdom of your superiors is quite touching.

All 3 decisions were made in accordance to written law and the constitutionality of those laws in the times they were made. Do I agree that the right decision was made in all 3 cases? No, as time has told, particularly in the case of Plessy vs. Ferguson. But, particularly in the case of Dred Scott because it makes the point obvious, they ruled on a particular situation according to existing laws. Under the laws of the times, SCOTUS had to rule that Scott remain a slave, because the law was clear that he had no right to sue for freedom under the courts. Morally right? Few today would argue that. But that's not their purpose, they can only rule on and interpret existing law, which they did.

Do you feel that we shouldn't have a SCOTUS or legal equivalent? No matter how you set up the legal system, you will need a highest authority of some kind to rule on controversial and/or complicated legal matters. The SCOTUS exists by necessity. Unless you're willing to deny the need for a highest court in the land, you're just cherry picking. Or maybe we should just do away the SCOTUS and have those powers absorbed by mr. pres.
 
This is only slightly less stupid of a request. How well do you think insurance companies are going to do when forced to take people with pre-existing conditions and no mandate to push healthy people onto the rolls? That's your reasonable request from the GOP? :lamo

They aren't going to do well anyways because the penalities PALE in comparison to the overpriced health insurance that the healthy Americans are being "encouraged" to buy. You can thank the restrictions on the "community ratings" for that one.
 
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