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Negotations start this evening.

great..... let them negotiate a straight income tax with no write-offs, and a 90 % top bracket......that will fix America!

No, we get to negotiate what we want not what the conservatives want. See, that's a negotiation.

The GOP opened the door to using funding to negotiate their agenda. The Democrats should call their bluff and put everything on the table that they want. See, that's a negotiation.
 
No, we get to negotiate what we want not what the conservatives want. See, that's a negotiation.

The GOP opened the door to using funding to negotiate their agenda. The Democrats should call their bluff and put everything on the table that they want. See, that's a negotiation.

fine, let them go at it.
 
That's not blackmail -- that's upholding the law.

Sorry, refusing to even try to meet their constitutional obligations is not "upholding the law". It's tyranny.
 
That's not blackmail -- that's upholding the law.

That statement is a bit of a stretch, considering all the illegal waivers that Obama has handed out to his supporters and donors.
 
Sorry, refusing to even try to meet their constitutional obligations is not "upholding the law". It's tyranny.
Funding laws so they can function is upholding the law. Tyranny is subverting the legislative process to repeal laws one party doesn't want.
 
Funding laws so they can function is upholding the law. Tyranny is subverting the legislative process to repeal laws one party doesn't want.

Sorry, not so. Funding government programs requires the consent of the House, Senate and the President. Unless the president gets skipped in a veto override. The House has provided the means for funding the government as it see's fit and is required.
The Senate and the President are the one's that have created the injustice to the constitution by not meeting their obligations and responsibilities. They are the tyrants.
 
Sorry, not so. Funding government programs requires the consent of the House, Senate and the President. Unless the president gets skipped in a veto override. The House has provided the means for funding the government as it see's fit and is required.
The Senate and the President are the one's that have created the injustice to the constitution by not meeting their obligations and responsibilities. They are the tyrants.
Save your apologies ... cherry-picking which laws they choose to uphold based on their personal agenda in order to subvert the legislative process is tyranny.
 
Democrats shut down government 12 times under Reagan

That's not even remotely true. Please stop making things up.
 
Save your apologies ... cherry-picking which laws they choose to uphold based on their personal agenda in order to subvert the legislative process is tyranny.

Nonsense. It is the job of the legislature to pass a budget for each fiscal year, and that requires deciding which programs to fund and by how much.
 
By the liberals standards, what they are doing is "blackmail". No getting around it. They get their way or nobody gets anything, according to what they have said and done.

Lets also not forget, when the Democrats were dumb enough to change the legislative process on Obamadon'tcare, they ended up passing it on a budget bill because they didn't have the votes the regular way. So if it was passed on a budget bill there is not a better place to change the funding of it than a budget bill. Right where the Democrats placed it to begin with.

Are you aware that the Democrats already accepted the spending levels the Republicans demanded?
 
That statement is a bit of a stretch, considering all the illegal waivers that Obama has handed out to his supporters and donors.

The waivers aren't illegal.
 
The waivers aren't illegal.

Yes, the waivers are illegal. The president has no authority to decide to enforce the law selectively. Obama is far more lawless than the previous contenders for that title (Clinton, Nixon, LBJ).
 
Save your apologies ... cherry-picking which laws they choose to uphold based on their personal agenda in order to subvert the legislative process is tyranny.

Well, that fits Obama and the Dems to a tee. The GOP offered to fund everything but one item and Obama and Reid cherry picked that one item to hold up everything else.
 
Nonsense. It is the job of the legislature to pass a budget for each fiscal year, and that requires deciding which programs to fund and by how much.

So now the Congress gets to decide which laws should be maintained and which should be eliminated?

So if Democrats win the House in 2014 and they unilaterally (without the Senate or president's consent) decide to defund border patrols , NSA, and U.S. Customs to allow everyone to flood into the U.S., you're good with that because we no longer need to pass legislation to establish laws -- now, the U.S. House gets to unilaterally decide which laws should be laws?


:roll::roll::roll:
 
Yes, the waivers are illegal. The president has no authority to decide to enforce the law selectively. Obama is far more lawless than the previous contenders for that title (Clinton, Nixon, LBJ).

But the House does, right??

:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
Well, that fits Obama and the Dems to a tee. The GOP offered to fund everything but one item and Obama and Reid cherry picked that one item to hold up everything else.
And the Senate agreed to fund everything the Republicans asked for, which included the keystone pipeline and other oil related spending. So it's the Republicans who shut the government down by making an unrealistic budget.

And even if you don't blame Republicans for the shutdown, a majority of people do ...


NBC/WSJ poll: Shutdown debate damages GOP

The Republican Party has been badly damaged in the ongoing government shutdown and debt limit standoff, with a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finding that a majority of Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown, and with the party’s popularity declining to its lowest level.​
 
And the Senate agreed to fund everything the Republicans asked for, which included the keystone pipeline and other oil related spending. So it's the Republicans who shut the government down by making an unrealistic budget.

And even if you don't blame Republicans for the shutdown, a majority of people do ...


NBC/WSJ poll: Shutdown debate damages GOP

The Republican Party has been badly damaged in the ongoing government shutdown and debt limit standoff, with a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finding that a majority of Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown, and with the party’s popularity declining to its lowest level.​

And the Dems still hold on to that one item, resulting in a partial shutdown of the government.
 
And the Dems still hold on to that one item, resulting in a partial shutdown of the government.
So? The Republicans are holding onto that one item, resulting in the shutdown.
 
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