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House to try again to pass 3 emergency funding bills amid government slimdown

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Have you been asleep, they have been talking about this for quite some time now. There has been a refusal to negotiate on the dem side the entire time. Just because you recently became aware of the issue doesn't mean the congress hasn't been debating it for a year now.
Oh, are you taking about the 40+ bills through the House with absolutely no chance of getting past the Senate? Or are you talking bout the 15+ times the Dems have asked to conference with the House regarding appropriation bills in the last 6 months.... not to mention the 5 or 6 requests from McCain. Hell, Fox was making fun of the President a couple months ago because he took the Republican leadership out to dinner in an effort to reach out to them. I don't think I'm the one that was asleep during all this.
 
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Obviously it makes no sense....but the teabaggers aren't trying to make sense. They are engaged in circus antics, green eggs and ham...political grandstanding to please their base. Funny thing, they are willing to destroy the once time legitimate Republican party in the process. So its not all bad.

I think the Dems could afford to give a little too. Take out the Obamacare thing and put in something they like, maybe a tax cut or something. Let them vote against cutting taxes. Call 'em on it. Just saying "No" isn't getting us anywhere either.
 
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LOL.....spouting Bonner's talking points? Explain to us how a law passed by both houses of Congress and upheld by the United States Supreme Court after a Constitutional challenge is akin to a "dictatorhsip".....this should be good.......


Explain what the Republicans in the House are doing that is unconstitutional?
 
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I think the Dems could afford to give a little too. Take out the Obamacare thing and put in something they like, maybe a tax cut or something. Let them vote against cutting taxes. Call 'em on it. Just saying "No" isn't getting us anywhere either.

many democrats consider keeping the sequester cut's in place a compromise, they would have preferred to remove the sequesters spending cuts.
 
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I am fully aware of the history. We ended up with an ACA that included the Heritage Foundation/Republican idea of the individual mandate rather than the public option (which was a better plan) because Obama tried to negotiate with the Republicans and the Bluedogs....the final bill was passed through the proper legislative process and signed into law. Incidentally, the teabaggers tried to challenge it and it was upheld by the United States Supreme Court. Can I help you with more history lessons or have you got it now?
...and THAT's why it's called OBAMACARE.
 
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I think the Dems could afford to give a little too. Take out the Obamacare thing and put in something they like, maybe a tax cut or something. Let them vote against cutting taxes. Call 'em on it. Just saying "No" isn't getting us anywhere either.

While I would normally tend to agree. I see no reason for the Dems to attempt to allow the GOP to save face. Aren't they suppose to be the party of personal responsibility?
 
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I think the Dems could afford to give a little too. Take out the Obamacare thing and put in something they like, maybe a tax cut or something. Let them vote against cutting taxes. Call 'em on it. Just saying "No" isn't getting us anywhere either.

There is no leeway on the ACA. The GOP has no honest interest in modifying it, they have clearly from day 1 said their intention is to destroy it. Also, it sets a bad precedent for the same reason that negotiating with extortionists is never a good idea. Let the legislative process take its course in the upcoming sessions, but don't hold the American people hostage simply because you aren't getting your way.
 
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...and THAT's why it's called OBAMACARE.

Its called Obamacare because that is the label that the Repubs put on it because they thought it would help their cause. In reality, Obama has embraced the term. Better Obamacare than Republicansdon't. right?
 
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I think both sides are showing a remarkable lack of flexibility and compromise. Does it really make sense to you to keep passing bills that either won't pass the Senate or will get vetoed by the President? Then you pass bills that fund what YOU like, but nothing else...and go running to your mouthpiece to talk about whose fault it is. Does that sound like good government to you?

It's more than what the Democrats are doing.
 
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the republican leadership were operating under a suspension of the rules, which means that it takes a 2/3rds majority to pass legislation in the house.

Yes, I understand that process. Read further down the article where it is talking about Democrats are saying they will vote down the bills no matter what.
 
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It passed the House/Senate/President and has even been looked at by the Supreme Court. It was debated and pieced together for around a year. What is your definition of "pushed through"?

Guess you don't know the history. You should do some research.
 
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you understand the result, right?
supreme court affirmed legitimate legislation
so, why should it be rolled back?
want that to happen, do it legislatively

Newsflash: They ARE doing it legislatively.
 
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Oh, are you taking about the 40+ bills through the House with absolutely no chance of getting past the Senate? Or are you talking bout the 15+ times the Dems have asked to conference with the House regarding appropriation bills in the last 6 months.... not to mention the 5 or 6 requests from McCain. Hell, Fox was making fun of the President a couple months ago because he took the Republican leadership out to dinner in an effort to reach out to them. I don't think I'm the one that was asleep during all this.

And yet you're the one who made the assertion that all this took place last minute. I called you on it. Now you go into distorted detail about how correct I was in calling you on it. Good job!
 
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While I would normally tend to agree. I see no reason for the Dems to attempt to allow the GOP to save face. Aren't they suppose to be the party of personal responsibility?

That's what you and the sockpuppets just don't get. It's not a matter of saving face, it's a matter of serving their constituencies who are largely against Obamacare and the ruin it's bringing to our healthcare system. You want them to give up and go away, we don't.
 
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Newsflash: They ARE doing it legislatively.

No, they are negotiating from a position of weakness.

The real issue is that those of the GOP who have invested tons of political capital bashing the ACA are scared to death that it will become popular just as medicare and medicaid have become. It is a hail mary attempt to ensure the survival of the Tea Party.
 
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No, they are negotiating from a position of weakness.

The real issue is that those of the GOP who have invested tons of political capital bashing the ACA are scared to death that it will become popular just as medicare and medicaid have become. It is a hail mary attempt to ensure the survival of the Tea Party.

No, they are negotiating from a position of representation, as they should. The people who have to pay for this nightmare are against it. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Tea Party movement. It's laughable that you might think Boehner was ever a part of that movement.
 
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< snip > In reality, Obama has embraced the term.
Of course he has - it's got his name written all over it.

Better Obamacare than Republicansdon't. right?
Agreed. If you're going to name something, name it after the champion. You can subtitle it however you please (even if it is a lie).
 
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No, they are negotiating from a position of representation, as they should. The people who have to pay for this nightmare are against it. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Tea Party movement. It's laughable that you might think Boehner was ever a part of that movement.

but the senate and president also represent the people, or do they represent robots?
 
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No, they are negotiating from a position of weakness.

The real issue is that those of the GOP who have invested tons of political capital bashing the ACA are scared to death that it will become popular just as medicare and medicaid have become. It is a hail mary attempt to ensure the survival of the Tea Party.

OR, let's talk about the facts. The fact is the country cannot afford ACA, the country does not want ACA, and the Republicans are taking legislative measures to get that corrected. That is truth.
 
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No, they are negotiating from a position of representation, as they should. The people who have to pay for this nightmare are against it. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the Tea Party movement. It's laughable that you might think Boehner was ever a part of that movement.

They have no bargaining chips other than avoid the demise of the well-beings of millions of Americans. I get it, you are against the ACA. The budgeting process is not the appropriate venue to attempt to get your way.
 
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The fact is the country cannot afford ACA

This is your opinion that cannot be supported by anything other than partisan rhetoric.

the country does not want ACA

This is your opinion that cannot be supported by anything other than a select set of polls that are not even borderline scientific.

and the Republicans are taking legislative measures to get that corrected. That is truth.

Probably already posted, but i find it relevant to this discussion none the less:

The evidence going back to the Newt Gingrich Congress is that no party can govern from the House, and the Republican Party can't abide the outcry when flights are delayed, national parks close and direct deposits for military spouses stop. Sooner or later the GOP breaks.

This all-or-nothing posture also usually results in worse policy. The most recent example was the failure of Mr. Boehner's fiscal cliff "Plan B" in December 2012, which was the best the GOP could do because Mr. Obama had the whip hand of automatic tax increases. The fallback deal that was sealed in the Senate raised taxes by more and is now complicating the prospects for tax reform.

The backbenchers are heading into another box canyon now. Mr. Boehner is undermined because the other side knows he lacks 218 GOP votes, which empowers House and Senate Democrats. They want to reverse the modest spending discipline of the sequester, and if the House GOP can't hold together on the CR they will succeed. The only chance of any entitlement reform worth the name is if Mr. Boehner can hold his majority and negotiate from strength.

The rest of the article can be found here.
 
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but the senate and president also represent the people, or do they represent robots?

Yeah, and the people are against Obamacare, so much for them representing the people.
 
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They have no bargaining chips other than avoid the demise of the well-beings of millions of Americans. I get it, you are against the ACA. The budgeting process is not the appropriate venue to attempt to get your way.

Unfortunately, in our political system and with a democrat party that refuses to listen to the people they represent, it's the ONLY venue.
 
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