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Obama Address the Nation on the government shutdown.

As I said before many times Con, I don't agree with ACA, I don't agree with the exemptions, and I don't agree with how ACA came about. However, with that said, I also don't agree with the GOP lying about their intentions.

Are you excusing the GOP lying because the Dems lied? How does that make the GOP any better?

There is never an excuse for lying but we have ACA based entirely on lies and the President isn't called on it. That should be the issue and any attempt to delay or defund should be applauded.
 
There is never an excuse for lying but we have ACA based entirely on lies and the President isn't called on it. That should be the issue and any attempt to delay or defund should be applauded.

Then why isn't the GOP being HONEST about their intentions? Everyone can see the GOP are lying about their intentions, so if the majority want ACA gone, why the lies on the GOP part? If it is as you say it is clear cut people want it gone, the GOP should not be lying right?
 
OK I got the message: Capital of the free world closed until further notice.

You heard the message wrong or have bought into a line of BS.
 
Then why isn't the GOP being HONEST about their intentions? Everyone can see the GOP are lying about their intentions, so if the majority want ACA gone, why the lies on the GOP part? If it is as you say it is clear cut people want it gone, the GOP should not be lying right?

And exactly what purpose would that serve? You think the Obamabots would change their opinion?
 
You really believe that the ACA is a good piece of legislation that is going to lower healthcare costs and improve quality? Based upon what evidence? Do you go into a restaurant where the chef doesn't eat the food that restaurant prepares? What is the difference in exempting Congress from the bill?

Congress is not exempt from Obamacare. Stop repeating an already debunked lie.
 
And exactly what purpose would that serve? You think the Obamabots would change their opinion?

Did you seriously ask what purpose telling the truth would serve? The truth isn't for the "Obamabots" as you call it nor is it to change THEIR minds as they won't be changed, the purpose is to have integrity. I thought the GOP were the party of integrity according to you, so why the lies?

You say you are not excusing the GOP lying, but your comments show differently. If the GOP can't even tell the truth when they are in the right, then how can they be trusted?
 
I do agree with TNE to a point. That said, I do think it's reasonable to say essentially both...that they want an extension so that IF it has to roll out, that it can be rolled out fairly and efficiently across the board AND if possible they can try to stop it entirely.

I do find it funny how the Democrats are attepmting to paint this singularly as a dereliction of duty on the part of the republicans and comparing them to terrorists or hostage takers for using the shut down as a leverage point. The only reason it's GOTTEN to this point and it's actually viable that the government might shut down is because the congress, Senate LARGELY included, has been entirely derelict of their duty to PASS A BUDGET. For FIVE YEARS now this congress has been completely unable to fulfill one of it's most basic tasks...to pass a BUDGET.

I can agree with the notion that an EMERGENCY CR, to give time to actually pass a budget, should be a clean bill. Something to simply "continue" what's going on now as the debate is raging on.

This is not what this is. You do not have "EMERGENCY" continuing resolutions for going on FIVE YEARS.

The President suggested on NPR that he shouldn't be asked to give up anything to "Fund the government". That's ridiculous in an over arching notion. Budgets ABSOLUTELY have been built upon and created with the notion of compromise and each side giving a bit on what they want. The problem is that for FIVE YEARS, this congress has refused to actually pass a budget up to the Presidents desk. They keep relying on these last minute "emergency" continuing resolutions to simply roll over the same "emergency stimulous" related increased spending because they can claim that it needs to be a "clean" bill.

No, when you routinely and CONTINUALLY utilize a Continuing Resolution as your defacto Budget you DON'T get the ability to demand that "Clean" bills are the only thing you'll take. When you're CONTINUALLY throw a "temper tantrum" over actually passing a Budget, you don't get to then complain about others throwing a "temper tantrum" when they don't just roll over and let your earlier tantrum off the hook.

Both sides need to be strung up for this and the focus on one side is ridiculous. Actually pass a ****ing budget for once in HALF A DECADE, through the normal means of give and take, and then perhaps there'd be a good faith reason to put forward short term CR's if a little more debate was needed. But when you ROUTINELY show you will absolutely NOT participate in the budgetary process then I can't fault the House, whose only real power IS the purse strings, to attempt to utilize the only actual pseudo-budgetary bill that the Senate will allow to come to the table.
 
I do agree with TNE to a point. That said, I do think it's reasonable to say essentially both...that they want an extension so that IF it has to roll out, that it can be rolled out fairly and efficiently across the board AND if possible they can try to stop it entirely.

I do find it funny how the Democrats are attepmting to paint this singularly as a dereliction of duty on the part of the republicans and comparing them to terrorists or hostage takers for using the shut down as a leverage point. The only reason it's GOTTEN to this point and it's actually viable that the government might shut down is because the congress, Senate LARGELY included, has been entirely derelict of their duty to PASS A BUDGET. For FIVE YEARS now this congress has been completely unable to fulfill one of it's most basic tasks...to pass a BUDGET.

I can agree with the notion that an EMERGENCY CR, to give time to actually pass a budget, should be a clean bill. Something to simply "continue" what's going on now as the debate is raging on.

This is not what this is. You do not have "EMERGENCY" continuing resolutions for going on FIVE YEARS.

The President suggested on NPR that he shouldn't be asked to give up anything to "Fund the government". That's ridiculous in an over arching notion. Budgets ABSOLUTELY have been built upon and created with the notion of compromise and each side giving a bit on what they want. The problem is that for FIVE YEARS, this congress has refused to actually pass a budget up to the Presidents desk. They keep relying on these last minute "emergency" continuing resolutions to simply roll over the same "emergency stimulous" related increased spending because they can claim that it needs to be a "clean" bill.

No, when you routinely and CONTINUALLY utilize a Continuing Resolution as your defacto Budget you DON'T get the ability to demand that "Clean" bills are the only thing you'll take. When you're CONTINUALLY throw a "temper tantrum" over actually passing a Budget, you don't get to then complain about others throwing a "temper tantrum" when they don't just roll over and let your earlier tantrum off the hook.

Both sides need to be strung up for this and the focus on one side is ridiculous. Actually pass a ****ing budget for once in HALF A DECADE, through the normal means of give and take, and then perhaps there'd be a good faith reason to put forward short term CR's if a little more debate was needed. But when you ROUTINELY show you will absolutely NOT participate in the budgetary process then I can't fault the House, whose only real power IS the purse strings, to attempt to utilize the only actual pseudo-budgetary bill that the Senate will allow to come to the table.

What a mess. Just reported on FNC, the Senate has "tabled" the house proposal, and the President will speak from the Rose Garden at 12:30....For what? More rhetoric? More blame the repubs? Good grief!

While I agree with you about the budget process Zyph, one party controlling only half of 1/3 of the levers of power in this country are basically as powerless as they were when Pelosi and the demo's controlled all three. Especially when you have a Senate leader that runs blocker to anything put forward, while our name caller and chief does nothing but divide, and smear his opponents.

This won't change until America wakes up and realizes that the real anarchists are the political terrorists they elected to office in '12.
 
What a mess. Just reported on FNC, the Senate has "tabled" the house proposal, and the President will speak from the Rose Garden at 12:30....For what? More rhetoric? More blame the repubs? Good grief!
Yes and yes.

This won't change until America wakes up and realizes that the real anarchists are the political terrorists they elected to office in '12.

You've seen the movie "Idiocracy"? We're halfway there - America won't realize squat because they've been dumbed down to accept what Pelosi and the Harry Reids of the world peddle since kindergarten.
 
Yes and yes.



You've seen the movie "Idiocracy"? We're halfway there - America won't realize squat because they've been dumbed down to accept what Pelosi and the Harry Reids of the world peddle since kindergarten.


I am ready for a Latte' how about you?.....heh, heh...
 
I do agree with TNE to a point. That said, I do think it's reasonable to say essentially both...that they want an extension so that IF it has to roll out, that it can be rolled out fairly and efficiently across the board AND if possible they can try to stop it entirely.

I do find it funny how the Democrats are attepmting to paint this singularly as a dereliction of duty on the part of the republicans and comparing them to terrorists or hostage takers for using the shut down as a leverage point. The only reason it's GOTTEN to this point and it's actually viable that the government might shut down is because the congress, Senate LARGELY included, has been entirely derelict of their duty to PASS A BUDGET. For FIVE YEARS now this congress has been completely unable to fulfill one of it's most basic tasks...to pass a BUDGET.

I can agree with the notion that an EMERGENCY CR, to give time to actually pass a budget, should be a clean bill. Something to simply "continue" what's going on now as the debate is raging on.

This is not what this is. You do not have "EMERGENCY" continuing resolutions for going on FIVE YEARS.

The President suggested on NPR that he shouldn't be asked to give up anything to "Fund the government". That's ridiculous in an over arching notion. Budgets ABSOLUTELY have been built upon and created with the notion of compromise and each side giving a bit on what they want. The problem is that for FIVE YEARS, this congress has refused to actually pass a budget up to the Presidents desk. They keep relying on these last minute "emergency" continuing resolutions to simply roll over the same "emergency stimulous" related increased spending because they can claim that it needs to be a "clean" bill.

No, when you routinely and CONTINUALLY utilize a Continuing Resolution as your defacto Budget you DON'T get the ability to demand that "Clean" bills are the only thing you'll take. When you're CONTINUALLY throw a "temper tantrum" over actually passing a Budget, you don't get to then complain about others throwing a "temper tantrum" when they don't just roll over and let your earlier tantrum off the hook.

Both sides need to be strung up for this and the focus on one side is ridiculous. Actually pass a ****ing budget for once in HALF A DECADE, through the normal means of give and take, and then perhaps there'd be a good faith reason to put forward short term CR's if a little more debate was needed. But when you ROUTINELY show you will absolutely NOT participate in the budgetary process then I can't fault the House, whose only real power IS the purse strings, to attempt to utilize the only actual pseudo-budgetary bill that the Senate will allow to come to the table.

Agreed, I'm just tired of the BS games BOTH sides are playing. All the parties involved (The President, the house, and the senate) have played these games far too long. We need a budget, we desperately need reforms and reviews of ALL programs, we need accountability, and we need to get rid of any one of those that want to play these games. This goes beyond conservatism, liberalism, Dems or Reps. Neither side is clean.
 
Agreed, I'm just tired of the BS games BOTH sides are playing. All the parties involved (The President, the house, and the senate) have played these games far too long. We need a budget, we desperately need reforms and reviews of ALL programs, we need accountability, and we need to get rid of any one of those that want to play these games. This goes beyond conservatism, liberalism, Dems or Reps. Neither side is clean.

Agreed, can we get rid of all of them and press the reset button?
 
It's comical that anyone thinks this is a big deal.

If they'd just leave it this way, and all government did was the bare essentials, this country would thrive like it hasn't in forever.

These people do far more damage than good to this country.
 
Agreed, can we get rid of all of them and press the reset button?

I wish we could or at least enact laws that state if congress cannot come up with a balanced budget, they don't get paid until they do so and if they don't within a certain timeframe (say 1 month from deadline) new elections are held for all congress members. Also, they need to be put on the SAME programs they want to stick us with.
 
It's comical that anyone thinks this is a big deal.

Actually it is a big deal for world markets, stock markets, and how the world looks at us from a economic stability point, etc.

This just makes us look bad and hurts us in many ways. I blame both sides and the president for this crap.
 
I do agree with TNE to a point. That said, I do think it's reasonable to say essentially both...that they want an extension so that IF it has to roll out, that it can be rolled out fairly and efficiently across the board AND if possible they can try to stop it entirely.

I do find it funny how the Democrats are attepmting to paint this singularly as a dereliction of duty on the part of the republicans and comparing them to terrorists or hostage takers for using the shut down as a leverage point. The only reason it's GOTTEN to this point and it's actually viable that the government might shut down is because the congress, Senate LARGELY included, has been entirely derelict of their duty to PASS A BUDGET. For FIVE YEARS now this congress has been completely unable to fulfill one of it's most basic tasks...to pass a BUDGET.

I can agree with the notion that an EMERGENCY CR, to give time to actually pass a budget, should be a clean bill. Something to simply "continue" what's going on now as the debate is raging on.

This is not what this is. You do not have "EMERGENCY" continuing resolutions for going on FIVE YEARS.

The President suggested on NPR that he shouldn't be asked to give up anything to "Fund the government". That's ridiculous in an over arching notion. Budgets ABSOLUTELY have been built upon and created with the notion of compromise and each side giving a bit on what they want. The problem is that for FIVE YEARS, this congress has refused to actually pass a budget up to the Presidents desk. They keep relying on these last minute "emergency" continuing resolutions to simply roll over the same "emergency stimulous" related increased spending because they can claim that it needs to be a "clean" bill.

No, when you routinely and CONTINUALLY utilize a Continuing Resolution as your defacto Budget you DON'T get the ability to demand that "Clean" bills are the only thing you'll take. When you're CONTINUALLY throw a "temper tantrum" over actually passing a Budget, you don't get to then complain about others throwing a "temper tantrum" when they don't just roll over and let your earlier tantrum off the hook.

Both sides need to be strung up for this and the focus on one side is ridiculous. Actually pass a ****ing budget for once in HALF A DECADE, through the normal means of give and take, and then perhaps there'd be a good faith reason to put forward short term CR's if a little more debate was needed. But when you ROUTINELY show you will absolutely NOT participate in the budgetary process then I can't fault the House, whose only real power IS the purse strings, to attempt to utilize the only actual pseudo-budgetary bill that the Senate will allow to come to the table.
A very good point that can't be repeated enough. The political reasons to avoid the normal budgetary process are fundamentally dishonest at the outset - and it's intentional.
 
I wish we could or at least enact laws that state if congress cannot come up with a balanced budget, they don't get paid until they do so and if they don't within a certain timeframe (say 1 month from deadline) new elections are held for all congress members. Also, they need to be put on the SAME programs they want to stick us with.

Absolutely. I know there are a few bills that do that very thing, but they aren't gaining any traction.
 
And we're breathlessly awaiting the
Speaker's response, with the other Speakers to follow.

Obama's lies followed by truth and shutdown.
 
Let it shut down.

The Repubs first voted to fully fund the government but to de-fund Obamacare, that failed in the Democrat controlled Senate.

Then the Repubs compromised and agreed to fully fund the government but to delay implementation of Obamacare, same as Obama himself has done to select portions of the law, that failed the Democrat controlled Senate.

The Republicans compromised but the Dems are pouting that they are not getting everything they want, so they are taking their ball and going home.

Now Obama is making yet another speech blaming Republicans for not compromising and is blaming them for the shut down....WTF

Has sanity left Washington completely? Oh never mind, I forgot, it did that a long time ago. Silly me.

Compromise is a transaction, give a little, get a little. What have the Republicans put on the table in exchange for defunding the ACA? Allowing the government to function? Paying the bills they've already voted for? Not sabotaging the US economy? Wanting the government to function isn't a Democratic priority, it's an American priority.
 
Actually it is a big deal for world markets,
stock markets, and how the world looks at us from a economic stability point, etc.

This just makes us look bad and hurts us in many ways. I blame both sides and the president for this crap.

We've looked bad since 2008, and thr World knows full well our economy is a stack of cards held up by Fed Printing.

They are'nt impressed.
 
We've looked bad since 2008, and thr World knows full well our economy is a stack of cards held up by Fed Printing.

They are'nt impressed.

We've looked bad far longer than that. You can act like it is just one side, but it is BOTH sides and has been decades of bad presidents.
 
Agreed, I'm just tired of the BS games BOTH sides are playing. All the parties involved (The President, the house, and the senate) have played these games far too long. We need a budget, we desperately need reforms and reviews of ALL programs, we need accountability, and we need to get rid of any one of those that want to play these games. This goes beyond conservatism, liberalism, Dems or Reps. Neither side is clean.

Exactly. Am I happy with the Republicans right now? No, not really. But not just about this. The fact we got to the point where a year long CR was likely needed for essentially a 5th year is not something that JUST happened. Partisan Politics, gamesmanship, and petty disputes on ALL sides helped to lead to a situation where this occured. I don't find what the Republicans are doing here any more worhty of condemnation or any more at fault then other actions they took that led to this point, or other actions taken by democrats in congress and hte Presiden tthat led us to this point.

This is like three guys going out to a bar, pumping shots and drinks into each other, trying to one up each other all night at bar games and hitting on women, and then piling into the car to go home as they fight over who gets to drive......and then when it crashes the guys in the passenger seats looks over at the driver and going "THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!"
 
Congress is not exempt from Obamacare. Stop repeating an already debunked lie.

Your opinion noted, so Congress doesn't get special treatment under Obamacare? What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 
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