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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
That is your opinion but as usual you look at the small picture and not the big one which is downstream and what that product would do after getting to the refineries.
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yeah but the pipeline doesn't feed our oil supply, it allows transcanda a route for it's oil to the gulf of mexico.

now if only we could get taxes on the oil pipeline itself.
 
Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

iguanaman said:
Nixon created the EPA
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True. It might even be reasonable if it were confined to dealing with problems between states. It has moved well beyond that so it needs to be abolished.
in response to massive pollution problems that cropped up from lack of regulation.
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There is now too much regulation. Every state has an equivalent agency and that is where the power properly resides.

The idea that we will go back to polluted rivers and air because we "can't afford it" is a prime example of your sides dinosaur status.
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Do you believe we will go back if we eliminate this very dangerous agency? I do not. The Supreme Court can handle disputes between the states if they cannot come to an agreement on their own.

We will cut our military to the bone long before we even think of cuts like that. Spending more on Defense than all other nations combined is not sustainable. I think even the need for a "standing army" is questionable.
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Works for me. If we lack the will to defend ourselves then we deserve to end up on the garbage dump of history.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Threegoofs said:
Didn't I hear the same thing about 2012?
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Really?

Do you have trouble with vocabulary?

Was it yet implemented to the point it is scheduled to be by the 2016 elections?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
Rather interesting that once again you doubt the numbers I post and claim they are unfounded. try buying a hamburger in Japan and see what it costs.

Why are Retail Prices in Japan so High?: Evidence from German Export Prices

Is there anything that anyone can post that would convert you from a liberal? Obviously results don't matter
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So now it is not Japans inflation rate, but the cost of a hamburger in Tokyo that proves they have too much debt?
How small minded of you. There are plenty of reasons for the high cost of beef in Japan but their debt is not one of them.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
Did you notice that the state of Arizona and the state of S. Dakota paid the Federal Govt. to keep the Grand Canyon and Mt. Rushmore open. Amazing what can be done when the govt. contracts out operations.
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Good for Brewer for getting that done. She was initially given a "hell no" to open things on the state's dime.
 
Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

Misterveritis said:
True. It might even be reasonable if it were confined to dealing with problems between states. It has moved well beyond that so it needs to be abolished.

There is now too much regulation. Every state has an equivalent agency and that is where the power properly resides.


Do you believe we will go back if we eliminate this very dangerous agency? I do not. The Supreme Court can handle disputes between the states if they cannot come to an agreement on their own.



Works for me. If we lack the will to defend ourselves then we deserve to end up on the garbage dump of history.
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the problem is that environmental issues impact multiple states at the same time.

consider the Mississippi river and how many states it pass's through. states have to share the same natural resources, for example the usage of water from the Colorado river, or the great lakes.
 
MessiahCare Propaganda Money and Appropriations Bills

Boo Radley said:
It's not appropriations that we're talking about. And no, the good guys are not the ones holding out. And no, the nation will not be better off. You feel this way because you believe the false hyperbolic narrative. That saddens me, but you do. :(
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It is appropriations. By now haven't all of the appropriations bills been passed by the House and sent to the Senate for action?

If the propaganda funds for MessiahCare are not in there then no new money can be spent. The next step is to delegate the massive amount of money the criminals, I mean the Democrats stuffed into the authorizing legislation. Let us hope, for the sake of the nation, that the House Republicans have the courage for this fight.

I want to have slaves as much as the next guy but really, should I be allowed to have two or three men and/or women above the age of 26 have to work hard so I reap the benefits? I think not.
 
Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

Misterveritis said:
True. It might even be reasonable if it were confined to dealing with problems between states. It has moved well beyond that so it needs to be abolished.

There is now too much regulation. Every state has an equivalent agency and that is where the power properly resides.


Do you believe we will go back if we eliminate this very dangerous agency? I do not. The Supreme Court can handle disputes between the states if they cannot come to an agreement on their own.



Works for me. If we lack the will to defend ourselves then we deserve to end up on the garbage dump of history.
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Why do you think going back to the same failed policies is always the answer? The States failed at policing pollution and the EPA was created. Don't we have enough problems without repeating ones we have already fixed?
 
Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

Unitedwestand13 said:
the problem is that environmental issues impact multiple states at the same time.

consider the Mississippi river and how many states it pass's through. states have to share the same natural resources, for example the usage of water from the Colorado river, or the great lakes.
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If the EPA had limited itself to resolving issues between the states I might support it.

It is now deeply involved in bankrupting all non-Obama approved energy companies. We need to rid ourselves of this monster in return for a debt ceiling increase. Dollar for dollar.
 
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iguanaman said:
Why do you think going back to the same failed policies is always the answer? The States failed at policing pollution and the EPA was created. Don't we have enough problems without repeating ones we have already fixed?
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Like all government agencies this one has become a Master rather than a servant. It is time to kill it. If the problem is fixed then there is no longer a need for the monster.
 
Re: Let's get back to our Constitutional Basis

Misterveritis said:
Like all government agencies this one has become a Master rather than a servant. It is time to kill it. If the problem is fixed then there is no longer a need for the monster.
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if the problem could not have been fixed by the states then, what guarantee is there that they would be able to handle it if the problem happens again?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
if the problem could not have been fixed by the states then, what guarantee is there that they would be able to handle it if the problem happens again?
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We have plenty of history now. We also have a Supreme Court which, once upon a time, was established to deal with controversies between the states. Let's try that and save all the heartache this monster creates.
 
Re: MessiahCare Propaganda Money and Appropriations Bills

Misterveritis said:
It is appropriations. By now haven't all of the appropriations bills been passed by the House and sent to the Senate for action?

If the propaganda funds for MessiahCare are not in there then no new money can be spent. The next step is to delegate the massive amount of money the criminals, I mean the Democrats stuffed into the authorizing legislation. Let us hope, for the sake of the nation, that the House Republicans have the courage for this fight.

I want to have slaves as much as the next guy but really, should I be allowed to have two or three men and/or women above the age of 26 have to work hard so I reap the benefits? I think not.
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And did not pass the senate. Your argument would have more merit if the Senate approved the House bills as well. They don't.

This is like when the Giants lost the other night saying they'll close down the NFL unless they are given the win.
 
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Boo Radley said:
And did not pass the senate.

This is like when the Giants lost the other night saying they'll close down the NFL unless they are given the win.
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Which is fine with me. If the Senate wants to keep the government partially shut down I am all for it. I think we should shut even more of it down. Permanently.

If the two chambers cannot agree then we will just have to do without.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Which is fine with me. If the Senate wants to keep the government partially shut down I am all for it. I think we should shut even more of it down. Permanently.

If the two chambers cannot agree then we will just have to do without.
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only if the state government shuts down as well.
 
Re: MessiahCare Propaganda Money and Appropriations Bills

Misterveritis said:
Which is fine with me. If the Senate wants to keep the government partially shut down I am all for it. I think we should shut even more of it down. Permanently.

If the two chambers cannot agree then we will just have to do without.
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Again, your side is trying to side step law without working with the Senate. This is a temper tantrum. You're saying, we can't win without whining, so we'll hold our breath until we get our way. I think Republicans will regret this.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Unitedwestand13 said:
yeah but the pipeline doesn't feed our oil supply, it allows transcanda a route for it's oil to the gulf of mexico.

now if only we could get taxes on the oil pipeline itself.
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Your opinion noted but in an economy desperate for strong economic growth and job creation every little bit helps.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

iguanaman said:
So now it is not Japans inflation rate, but the cost of a hamburger in Tokyo that proves they have too much debt?
How small minded of you. There are plenty of reasons for the high cost of beef in Japan but their debt is not one of them.
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Do you have any fricken idea what inflation is? How small minded of me? How idiotic are liberals today
 
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Conservative said:
I have answered every direct question you have given me, you choose to ignore the answer and claim that there was no answer. Maybe in addition to a civics course you ought to take an English course as well.
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Don't worry about responding further, i have accepted that you will not answer directly, and i have moved on...NEXT!!!
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
Do you have any fricken idea what inflation is? How small minded of me? How idiotic are liberals today
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Your opinion is noted!
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
Doesn't appear to be the case

Oklahoma business leaders voice support for Keystone XL | News OK

Not only are we talking construction jobs bot crude oil getting to the refineries to assist our economy to grow.
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What the Glut? Why Cushing is Bursting and Hurting Oklahoma’s Economy | StateImpact Oklahoma

There is already a pipeline in place that ends in Cushing. This would extend it and the oil instead will be transported around the world.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Unitedwestand13 said:
the total job creation keystone would create is insignificant compared to the actual number of unemployed people.
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A few jobs here and a few jobs there and one day you might actually have a functioning economy.
 
Re: MessiahCare Propaganda Money and Appropriations Bills

Boo Radley said:
Again, your side is trying to side step law without working with the Senate. This is a temper tantrum. You're saying, we can't win without whining, so we'll hold our breath until we get our way. I think Republicans will regret this.
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No. His side is the borderline insane side, which believes virtually all government activity is bad. It's the right wing equivalent of the guys who hate all of capitalism. Nutty and really not worth engaging on any intellectual level.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Grant said:
No, my point is that you have to spend according to your income, just as most responsible adults do. That option doesn't seem to have occurred to you, which is part of my larger point concerning a responsible and adult electorate.
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Of course it has. I was raised very conservatively when it comes to money. My father imparted to me the importance of paying ones bills and debts. The USA must do the same. Cutting spending will not pay the debt. We must increase taxes for all who make dollar one. To do anything else is simply irresponsible. Pay the damn debt first. Then worry about a balanced budget.
 
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