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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

You want me to spend hours of research? Sorry. I come to this forum to relax not to work.

vasuderatorrent

Yeah, shame we ask you to actually research something before you make a baseless partisan claim. Yeah, shame on us. :roll:
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Yeah, shame we ask you to actually research something before you make a baseless partisan claim. Yeah, shame on us. :roll:

From now on I will disregard your opinion unless it contains three valid resources, an expert opinion and a twenty-four page in depth analysis. Once you finish that, I will also disregard your opinion. You know what. It might be wiser just to skip the first step. The outcome will be exactly the same.

vasuderatorrent
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

From now on I will disregard your opinion unless it contains three valid resources, an expert opinion and a twenty-four page in depth analysis. Once you finish that, I will also disregard your opinion. You know what. It might be wiser just to skip the first step. The outcome will be exactly the same.

vasuderatorrent

YOU are the one that claimed I am the enemy. I asked you to PROVE your claims as to why I am the enemy. YOU make the claim and then can't back it up. Typical sophomoric rhetoric from a so called conservative.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

It cracks me up when the enemy gives strategic tips to their opponents. giggle giggle snicker snicker

vasuderatorrent

Yeah. The comment I made was very vague and could apply to any enemy. I never intended to offend you. I do apologize for that.

Even if I thought you were the enemy I am not really that good at proving things. I have tried it before and my proof always ends up being ignored. Just relax. I have only been using these forums for about 3 hours. I haven't had time to built any dislike for anybody. I may hate you in the future but right now I don't have any prejudices for anybody posting in these forums.

Honestly I meant no harm or criticism towards you.

vasuderatorrent
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Yeah. The comment I made was very vague and could apply to any enemy. I never intended to offend you. I do apologize for that.

Even if I thought you were the enemy I am not really that good at proving things. I have tried it before and my proof always ends up being ignored. Just relax. I have only been using these forums for about 3 hours. I haven't had time to built any dislike for anybody. I may hate you in the future but right now I don't have any prejudices for anybody posting in these forums.

Honestly I meant no harm or criticism towards you.

vasuderatorrent

The point is, before you accuse someone of something, read what they have said or at least offer up proof. I could take a look at your post (or profile seeing you conservative) and make up generalizations as well. All people are different and if all you do is look at ONE post or their lean, you are likely to miss many things and especially congress as a WHOLE both sides.

Since you say you are new here (3 hours), I'll give you a little about myself. I am against what the GOP is doing, however, I don't agree to how the Dems have handled things either. I don't like Obama (didn't vote for him in 2012 or any Dem), don't like Obamacare, don't like the bailouts, don't like the handling of how IRS did thing, but I was against Bush, didn't like "free speech zones" under him, don't like the patriot act, don't like Iraq, and didn't like the bailouts he did either. I'm sure I'm missing things from both sides that I hated.

Point being, while I didn't like Bush and how he handled things, I don't how Obama has done things either. I am against the duopoly of the Dem/Rep rule on the government and hate how BOTH sides have handled things.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I am against I don't agree I don't like don't like don't like don't like I was againstdidn't like don't like don't like didn't like I'm sure I'm missing things that I hated.

I didn't like I don't how I am against and hate BOTH sides

I have learned a lot about you.

vasuderatorrent
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I have learned a lot about you.

vasuderatorrent

If all you learned about me is what you quoted from me above, you didn't learn a whole hell of a lot. Real students of learning ASK questions, they don't assume and short hand. If you have a REAL desire to learn about people and the world, you would ASK and not just ASSume.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Here is a question:

Do you hate everything which would include me?

vasuderatorrent
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Well, I haven't seen any articles you've written for JAMA, so I think I'll take Aaron Carroll's opinion over yours.
Why not just come up with one of your own?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

those who understand irony would note that invoking supreme court decisions as proof something is RIGHT, means you have to accept it when the USSC makes decisions your posts complain about.

BBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!!

there is that loud buzzer again telling you a foul has been committed by you. I am NOT basing anything on just a Supreme Court decision as you are with Citizens United. I am basing it upon over 70 years of many different things combined including over 70 years of American jurisprudence, action by over 36 different Congresses of the United States who have repeatedly and consistently passed legislation for the very programs you claim are unconstitutional, as well as the past 12 United States Presidents from both political parties who have supported these programs and have repeatedly signed the legislation for these programs into law.

That is a whole hell of a lot more than just a one shot recent Supreme Court decision like Citizens United.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

BBBBZZZZTTTT!!!!!

there is that loud buzzer again telling you a foul has been committed by you. I am NOT basing anything on just a Supreme Court decision as you are with Citizens United. I am basing it upon over 70 years of many different things combined including over 70 years of American jurisprudence, action by over 36 different Congresses of the United States who have repeatedly and consistently passed legislation for the very programs you claim are unconstitutional, as well as the past 12 United States Presidents from both political parties who have supported these programs and have repeatedly signed the legislation for these programs into law.

That is a whole hell of a lot more than just a one shot recent Supreme Court decision like Citizens United.

your buzzer is barking up the wrong tree. Your posts ignore the fact that conservative justices tend to be slaves to precedent but you never admit that your beloved FDR justices violated, ignored, folded, spindled and mutilated more than a century of precedent to allow the odious New Deal excrement to remain standing. Your 70 years was based on a rape of over 100 years of settled law
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

If all you learned about me is what you quoted from me above, you didn't learn a whole hell of a lot. Real students of learning ASK questions, they don't assume and short hand. If you have a REAL desire to learn about people and the world, you would ASK and not just ASSume.

Interesting since I continue to ask what it is about liberalism that creates the kind of loyalty we see here today with people ignoring the Obama results and buying the Obama rhetoric except of course the following

The Quote of the Decade:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

Obamabots always only listen to what Obama says and not what Obama has done. Now we hear that times were different back then and Obama was voting against failed economic policies. The reality is back then the debt to GDP wasn't 100% nor was it 100% when Bush left office, but it is today. Obama then claims that raising the debt ceiling doesn't raise the debt

Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase Our Debt,' Though It Has 'Over 100 Times' | CNS News

We had this debate in 2011 when the debt was 14.7 trillion, the debt ceiling was raised and today the debt is 16.7 trillion. How could the debt rise to 16.7 trillion if we didn't raise the debt ceiling?

My solution, agree to cut govt. spending 15% across the board in consideration for raising the debt ceiling for 6 months and make those cuts mandatory.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Interesting since I continue to ask what it is about liberalism that creates the kind of loyalty we see here today with people ignoring the Obama results and buying the Obama rhetoric except of course the following

The Quote of the Decade:



Obamabots always only listen to what Obama says and not what Obama has done. Now we hear that times were different back then and Obama was voting against failed economic policies. The reality is back then the debt to GDP wasn't 100% nor was it 100% when Bush left office, but it is today. Obama then claims that raising the debt ceiling doesn't raise the debt

Obama: 'Raising the Debt Ceiling...Does Not Increase Our Debt,' Though It Has 'Over 100 Times' | CNS News

We had this debate in 2011 when the debt was 14.7 trillion, the debt ceiling was raised and today the debt is 16.7 trillion. How could the debt rise to 16.7 trillion if we didn't raise the debt ceiling?

My solution, agree to cut govt. spending 15% across the board in consideration for raising the debt ceiling for 6 months and make those cuts mandatory.
HMMMMM....across the board eh? and that includes defense spending right? you did say 'across the board' correct?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

HMMMMM....across the board eh? and that includes defense spending right? you did say 'across the board' correct?

Yep, sure did, but that would entail taking SS and Medicare off budget and reducing the unfunded liabilities and I certainly wouldn't give the bureaucrats another unfunded liability in ACA
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

your buzzer is barking up the wrong tree. Your posts ignore the fact that conservative justices tend to be slaves to precedent but you never admit that your beloved FDR justices violated, ignored, folded, spindled and mutilated more than a century of precedent to allow the odious New Deal excrement to remain standing. Your 70 years was based on a rape of over 100 years of settled law

The reality is that every Court since the New Deal has decided in favor of the very programs that you hate and loathe.

The reality is that every Congress since the New Deal has supported them with legislation and funding.

The reality is that every President since FDR has given them their blessing with their signature on legislation.

It was your precious conservatives who formed the one vote majority in Citizens United. One recent decision decided by a slim one vote. So much the previous law. :roll:
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Yep, sure did, but that would entail taking SS and Medicare off budget and reducing the unfunded liabilities and I certainly wouldn't give the bureaucrats another unfunded liability in ACA
should have added the "....ss and medicare ....." before you hit 'post'... and 15%? you are aware that kind of cut all at once would deliver a hard blow to the economy, right? lots of people would be out of work, across multiple industries and sectors, alot of your favorite defense contractors would take a major hit, and state budgets would take a hit as the amount of federal dollars returning home would shrink...perhaps you should re-think the whole 15% thing. maybe consider a more balanced approach, a mix of cuts and revenue increases.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

should have added the "....ss and medicare ....." before you hit 'post'... and 15%? you are aware that kind of cut all at once would deliver a hard blow to the economy, right? lots of people would be out of work, across multiple industries and sectors, alot of your favorite defense contractors would take a major hit, and state budgets would take a hit as the amount of federal dollars returning home would shrink...perhaps you should re-think the whole 15% thing. maybe consider a more balanced approach, a mix of cuts and revenue increases.


Your opinion noted just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works. Govt spending isn't the largest component of GDP but it is growing under Obama. We don't need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt., Take out SS and Medicare which is self funded by the payroll taxes so take the 1 trillion off the 3.7 trillion dollars and cut it 15%

22 million are out of work now and Obama has done nothing to create the incentive to put those people back to work, Cutting spending would put debt service money back into the economy. I don't think a 405 billion decrease in the size of the govt. is going to hurt the economy and it is going to send a positive message to the private sector that the govt. isn't going to increase taxes. We need more revenue but we need it from those not working. We have a spending problem that has created a revenue problem due to reducing incentive for the private sector to create jobs. ACA is a job killer, higher taxes are a job killer, EPA regulations is a job killer.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Your opinion noted just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works. Govt spending isn't the largest component of GDP but it is growing under Obama. We don't need a 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt., Take out SS and Medicare which is self funded by the payroll taxes so take the 1 trillion off the 3.7 trillion dollars and cut it 15%

22 million are out of work now and Obama has done nothing to create the incentive to put those people back to work, Cutting spending would put debt service money back into the economy. I don't think a 405 billion decrease in the size of the govt. is going to hurt the economy and it is going to send a positive message to the private sector that the govt. isn't going to increase taxes. We need more revenue but we need it from those not working. We have a spending problem that has created a revenue problem due to reducing incentive for the private sector to create jobs. ACA is a job killer, higher taxes are a job killer, EPA regulations is a job killer.
your opinion is noted , just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works(see, i can play that game as well).....you don't think a sizable chunk like that, taken out of the economy all at once, would affect the economy in a negative way, perhaps you should re-take econ 101.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

your opinion is noted , just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works(see, i can play that game as well).....you don't think a sizable chunk like that, taken out of the economy all at once, would affect the economy in a negative way, perhaps you should re-take econ 101.

I noted that opinion !
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

your opinion is noted , just like your lack of understanding of how the economy works(see, i can play that game as well).....you don't think a sizable chunk like that, taken out of the economy all at once, would affect the economy in a negative way, perhaps you should re-take econ 101.

Same argument during the Reagan years due to the policies of reducing taxes. According to liberals that would take too much out of the economy. What that did however was create 17 million new taxpayers, doubling of GDP, 60% growth in income tax revenue, and a peace dividends. Allowing people to keep more of what they earn is the best stimulus a private sector economy can ever have. Higher taxes, bigger govt. and creation of more entitlement programs is never the answer.

Perhaps you should stop with the arrogant responses and learn to do more research on your own and stop spewing what the leftwing elites tell you.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Same argument during the Reagan years due to the policies of reducing taxes. According to liberals that would take too much out of the economy. What that did however was create 17 million new taxpayers, doubling of GDP, 60% growth in income tax revenue, and a peace dividends. Allowing people to keep more of what they earn is the best stimulus a private sector economy can ever have. Higher taxes, bigger govt. and creation of more entitlement programs is never the answer.

Perhaps you should stop with the arrogant responses and learn to do more research on your own and stop spewing what the leftwing elites tell you.
way off topic, and not addressing what was asked...you honestly don't think that taking the axe out and chopping 15% off the budget in one fell swoop won't have consequences? seriously? you are showing an alarming lack of understanding of our economy. perhaps you should stop with the arrogant responses and learn to do more research and stop spewing what the right wing elites tell you ( see, i can still do this to, want to keep it up?)
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

way off topic, and not addressing what was asked...you honestly don't think that taking the axe out and chopping 15% off the budget in one fell swoop won't have consequences? seriously? you are showing an alarming lack of understanding of our economy. perhaps you should stop with the arrogant responses and learn to do more research and stop spewing what the right wing elites tell you ( see, i can still do this to, want to keep it up?)

Only in the liberal mind, people who think that we don't spend enough. You and your ilk have run up a 6.4 trillion dollar debt and now have a problem with a 400 billion cut in Federal spending? I don't think I would be spouting that someone else doesn't understand the economy and what the components of GDP are. You are apparently safe in your job but there are 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today plus millions and millions on food stamps and other taxpayer assisted programs.

The Obama Administration and liberal elites love having people like you carry the water for them as you buy what you are told and ignore the actual results. Like all good little Obamabots cutting the waste, fraud, and abuse in D.C. is taking an axe and will starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Economic growth is a foreign concept to liberals like you.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Only in the liberal mind, people who think that we don't spend enough. You and your ilk have run up a 6.4 trillion dollar debt and now have a problem with a 400 billion cut in Federal spending? I don't think I would be spouting that someone else doesn't understand the economy and what the components of GDP are. You are apparently safe in your job but there are 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today plus millions and millions on food stamps and other taxpayer assisted programs.

The Obama Administration and liberal elites love having people like you carry the water for them as you buy what you are told and ignore the actual results. Like all good little Obamabots cutting the waste, fraud, and abuse in D.C. is taking an axe and will starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air. Economic growth is a foreign concept to liberals like you.

But wait it is not the role of government to create jobs.....?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

The reality is that every Court since the New Deal has decided in favor of the very programs that you hate and loathe.

The reality is that every Congress since the New Deal has supported them with legislation and funding.

The reality is that every President since FDR has given them their blessing with their signature on legislation.

It was your precious conservatives who formed the one vote majority in Citizens United. One recent decision decided by a slim one vote. So much the previous law. :roll:

And the reality is that the United States is $17,000.000.000.000 in debt with obligations extending past $70 trillion more.

Adults would point out that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it. But when you encourage people to remain adolescents all their lives then that is just how they'll respond. The government is now your mama and daddy.
 
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