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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
So tell me how is Obamacare going to improve quality and service?
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Its not really worth it. You've proven to be refractory to information.

Read the site that I directed you to. Its there.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Threegoofs said:
Its not really worth it. You've proven to be refractory to information.

Read the site that I directed you to. Its there.
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What is there are projections and predictions. Why doesn't it bother you that not one Obama prediction or projection has been accurate? History says those projections are wrong but like most liberals you are too immature or arrogant to admit that you are wrong. There aren't enough doctors to meet the demand and there isn't one liberal social program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, and not leave the country with massive debt. Liberals are insane and arrogant, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
Let's see, in 2011 we had a debt ceiling debate to increase the debt ceiling to 16.7 trillion dollars and "your" President said that raising the debt ceiling wouldn't increase the debt yet you question Boehner's leadership skills? Do you get all your information from the DNC, Jon Stewart, or how about off the bathroom walls?

Obama Claims Raising Debt Ceiling Doesn't Increase Debt
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Increasing the debt ceiling does not raise the debt anymore than increase a credit card limit increases credit card debt. Moreover, NOT increasing the debt ceiling does not mean the debt goes away (nor does it mean that debt will not increase... try cutting up your credit card and NOT paying the bill and see what happens to your personal debt).

You need to increase the debt ceiling to allow government to write the checks to service the debt. If you do not do that, the debt will go up anyway (for a variety of reasons, including revenue will go down as a result of reduced economic activity).

Debt is increased when expenditures exceed revenue (this activity has nothing to do with the debt ceiling). You can fix this equation by lowering expenditures or raising revenues. Smart people, of course, would do both. You can exasperate the situation by increasing expenditures or decreasing revenues (dumb people, in this situation, do either). Not raising the debt ceiling is one of the surest ways of doing both.

BTW... John Boehner is an idiot with the leadership skills of Gomer Pyle and the backbone of jellyfish.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

jmotivator said:
I am in the IT sector -- in fact I am in the big data portal side of IT that builds Healthcare.gov style sites -- and I have worked on numerous bid data projects like this in the last 15 years. This roll out is easily the worst I have ever seen. The problem is compounded by the nature of the service provided. In a private industry you eventually get a respite with a hard crash like this when you find your system can't handle traffic because. In that environment the traffic eventually subsides (as you lose business) and you hit a "happy" medium where the load of the server isn't too high to kill it and you can manage improvements and hope the customers trickle back.

On the government side it is very different because there is no trickle off of customers. The customer is required by law to use this service so every day where there is no service the hits snowball the traffic to the next day and the next and the next. So not only do they need more hardware, they need even more hardware than would have been needed at the original launch because the customers aren't going away, they are just all being put on hold until some time in the future when you have a system big enough to attend to them all.

This is no small task even if it is just a not-enough-hardware issue.

But I'd guess it is more than just that based on how hard it has crashed. There are likely bugs in the coding, poorly configured network routing and any number of other gremlins born of poor planning that they still need to address. If that is the case you are looking at the shortest path being a tear down of one site (I assume they at least have coop and dr in place) and rebuild it then fail over to the fixed site... but that is a 6 month project at minimum... more if you want to ensure you aren't duplicating the mistakes of the past. And you still have all the state exchanges to worry about.

But anything is possible, I guess. Major private industries are moving away from the home grown cloud to IAAS for just this reason. All the gremlins that come from a new build go away when you contract a company that rolls perfectly clean versions of this kind of infrastructure 24/7/365.

Look at it this way: It took them two years to build this. The fix is likely not going to be two weeks.
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How many millions of dollars did the Obama administration waste on this web site? And almost three years to get it up and running. LOL. It works about as well as Obamadon'tcare will.

Here's another thought. Say in several months that actually get it working to the point that somebody may want to enroll that got frustrated and gave up trying. Then the open enrollment time frame ends (meaning most people can't sign up) so this same person that tried and couldn't because of a crashed web site, now gets told he has to wait until the next open enrollment. He's probably done with Obamadon'tcare.

Any business or government agency only gets one shot at a first impression. Obamadon'tcare is off to a horrible start.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
What is there are projections and predictions. Why doesn't it bother you that not one Obama prediction or projection has been accurate? History says those projections are wrong but like most liberals you are too immature or arrogant to admit that you are wrong. There aren't enough doctors to meet the demand and there isn't one liberal social program that ever cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, and not leave the country with massive debt. Liberals are insane and arrogant, doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result
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You mean that implementing the ACA would bend the Medicare cost curve down?

Oops. Look like it is already.

Thanks, Barack!
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

upsideguy said:
Increasing the debt ceiling does not raise the debt anymore than increase a credit card limit increases credit card debt. Moreover, NOT increasing the debt ceiling does not mean the debt goes away (nor does it mean that debt will not increase... try cutting up your credit card and NOT paying the bill and see what happens to your personal debt).

You need to increase the debt ceiling to allow government to write the checks to service the debt. If you do not do that, the debt will go up anyway (for a variety of reasons, including revenue will go down as a result of reduced economic activity).

Debt is increased when expenditures exceed revenue (this activity has nothing to do with the debt ceiling). You can fix this equation by lowering expenditures or raising revenues. Smart people, of course, would do both. You can exasperate the situation by increasing expenditures or decreasing revenues (dumb people, in this situation, do either). Not raising the debt ceiling is one of the surest ways of doing both.

BTW... John Boehner is an idiot with the leadership skills of Gomer Pyle and the backbone of jellyfish.
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The increase in the debt ceiling gives the Congress and the President authorization to spend more money, happens all the time. Why is this year any different than the 2011 negotiations? The debt ceiling was raised to 16.7 trillion dollars when the debt was 14.7 trillion. Promises were made to get our house in order and 2 trillion dollars in more debt and we are back to 2011 negotiations. You buy the Obama Administration rhetoric and ignore the Obama Administration results. Obama loves having people like you

I don't think I would be talking about leadership skills when your support is for Obama. Obama is a street thug who campaigns, divides, and demonizes. That maybe leadership in your world but your company would be bankrupt with that kind of leader and his results.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Threegoofs said:
You mean that implementing the ACA would bend the Medicare cost curve down?

Oops. Look like it is already.

Thanks, Barack!
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LOL, not bad for a program that hasn't even gone into effect. How did ACA which isn't in effect created a reduction in Medicare? Is that what they teach you in the Chicago School system?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Threegoofs said:
Its not really worth it. You've proven to be refractory to information.

Read the site that I directed you to. Its there.
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This is a debate board and it's expected that you respond directly to the questions raised and not refer the participants to other sites to debate on your behalf..
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Threegoofs said:
You mean that implementing the ACA would bend the Medicare cost curve down?

Oops. Look like it is already.

Thanks, Barack!
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If you don't know what he meant why not ask him instead of guessing at the question?

It seems all Barrack supporters have problems with comprehension and it seems certain that Teacher's Unions are largely responsible for this situation.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Grant said:
If you don't know what he meant why not ask him instead of guessing at the question?

It seems all Barrack supporters have problems with comprehension and it seems certain that Teacher's Unions are largely responsible for this situation.
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Conservative doesn't debate. He rehashes the same ole sophistry over and over. Then plays 10,000 questions.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

upsideguy said:
Debt is increased when expenditures exceed revenue (this activity has nothing to do with the debt ceiling).
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Nothing to do with it? Well when they change the law (pay attention liberals; the current debt ceiling is "the law of the land" LOL and it's going to be changed. Think Obamadon'tcare silly arguments) to raise the debt ceiling why won't they pass a law outlawing increased debt?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Threegoofs said:
Read Aaron Carrolls series on this. Heres the conclusion:How do we rate the qdifferent countries use different methodsof the US health care system


And for your convenience, heres the start:
How do we rate the quality of the US health care system – Introduction | The Incidental Economist
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Do you find any of these analyses compelling? Really? None of the statistics provide good measures because he doesn't take into account base rates, not to mention that oftentimes different countries use different methodologies for the "same" statistic.


The survey info is a joke. Can we really rank quality of care based on whether people think their doctors spend a lot of time with them, or are very familiar with their history? Or whether they believe that system needs to be overhauled? If this is supposed to provide an indicator for quality of care, why not ask about quality of care, lol. The physician survey is similarly useless. Our quality of care is poor because fewer physicians in the US say that they use electronic records? Did they bother to ask why? Many doctors refuse to implement such systems because they believe it REDUCES the quality of care.


It would be wonderful if we could effectively study something like this by spending a few nights looking up data on the internet and posting a few excel graphs and your naive interpretation on a blog, but that's just not reality.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

ItAin'tFree said:
Nothing to do with it? Well when they change the law (pay attention liberals; the current debt ceiling is "the law of the land" LOL and it's going to be changed. Think Obamadon'tcare silly arguments) to raise the debt ceiling why won't they pass a law outlawing increased debt?
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Look, we have a deficit economic infrastructure... we can have quite an argument as to why... but that isn't the point. Raising or not raising the debt limit really has nothing to do with whether the debt it going to increase. Its going to increase regardless of the "decision" congress makes in this regard. Only someone with no understanding of economics and government finance would think that not raising the debt limit would mean that debt will not go up.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Weren't you the one disparaging FDR a few days ago? :roll:
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I sure hope so, he really created lots of long term problems for this country and most of the malignant spread of government can be tied to the crap he and his judges foisted on us
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

TurtleDude said:
I sure hope so, he really created lots of long term problems for this country and most of the malignant spread of government can be tied to the crap he and his judges foisted on us
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Yeah. To bad Hoover failed to win re-election. :roll:

Do you guys ever think about what you are actually saying? Srsly?

BTW, thank the god that does not exist that there are fewer than 30% who think like this.
 
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calamity said:
Yeah. To bad Hoover failed to win re-election. :roll:

Do you guys ever think about what you are actually saying? Srsly?
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yes I have. having studied constitutional law for 3 decades I am fully aware of the damage FDR and his administration did to the boundaries that were placed on what was supposed to be a limited federal government.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

TurtleDude said:
yes I have. having studied constitutional law for 3 decades I am fully aware of the damage FDR and his administration did to the boundaries that were placed on what was supposed to be a limited federal government.
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Well, what you studied obviously led you to conclude stupid.

Go on the record. Tell us we would be better off today if Herbert Hoover won the election in 1932.

I dare ya.
 
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I just liked both you and TD because you both made me laugh out loud and stretch for #1714 and #1715, and talk to my wife..
Historical Revision should become a new degree at the University level.
calamity said:
Yeah. To bad Hoover failed to win re-election. :roll:

Do you guys ever think about what you are actually saying? Srsly?

BTW, thank the god that does not exist that there are fewer than 30% who think like this.
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Well, what you studied obviously led you to conclude stupid.

Go on the record. Tell us we would be better off today if Herbert Hoover won the election in 1932.

I dare ya.
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you are making silly comments. Most of FDR's rape of the constitution took place after he won reelection in 1936 and then started to threaten to pack the court. That lead to the idiotic rejection of 100+ years of precedent by a cowardly and thoroughly *****-whipped supreme court. We'd been a lot better off if FDR had been defeated in 1936
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

NIMBY said:
I just liked both you and TD because you both made me laugh out loud and stretch and talk to my wife..
Historical Revision should become a new degree at the University level.
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I laughed too. :)
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

TurtleDude said:
you are making silly comments. Most of FDR's rape of the constitution took place after he won reelection in 1936 and then started to threaten to pack the court. That lead to the idiotic rejection of 100+ years of precedent by a cowardly and thoroughly *****-whipped supreme court. We'd been a lot better off if FDR had been defeated in 1936
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Cut the crap. Alf won 8 EV's.

Go on record.

Would the USA be better off today if Herbert Hoover won the election in 1932?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

NIMBY said:
I just liked both you and TD because you both made me laugh out loud and stretch for #1714 and #1715, and talk to my wife..
Historical Revision should become a new degree at the University level.
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You want a laugh, here's TD's Waterloo
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Cut the crap. Go on record.

Would the USA be better off today if Herbert Hoover won the election in 1932?
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Why should I go on the record for something I never said. We'd be better off if Roosevelt never had a second term. Hoover was too damaged after his first three years to be an effective second term president. We'd been far better off if the Supreme court continued respecting the precedent that was illustrated in the Schectner Poultry decision

having one party appoint all of the federal judges for a 20 year period was a mistake this country has never recovered from
 
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calamity said:
You want a laugh, here's TD's Waterloo
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Yeah, we would have been better off if Landon won.

..and if pigs could fly. :lol:
 
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