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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

iguanaman said:
Not what you want that's for sure. We believe in America.
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No, it means you believe in taking now for yourselves and have faith those that come after won't curse your name when they get stuck with the pain.
 
Conservative said:
Let's see, we have 17 trillion in debt and today approximately 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers. Is that the kind of investment in the future you are talking about? Keep buying the liberal spin
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Now we are getting somewhere. What kind of investments would you recommend? I favor infrastructure repair and mass transit upgrades.
 
iguanaman said:
Now we are getting somewhere. What kind of investments would you recommend? I favor infrastructure repair and mass transit upgrades.
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Infrastructure repair is a routine cost. That we haven't been doing that all along as a portion of the budget is part of the problem. And mass transit is not an investment but a liability. It's highly subsidized.
 
Threegoofs said:
Because you need to pay the bills that you already racked up.
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So, you want to reward congress with more money because they were stupid and spent money they didn't have?

Are those the values you teach your children?
 
clownboy said:
No, it means you believe in taking now for yourselves and have faith those that come after won't curse your name when they get stuck with the pain.
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Right. Just like our Grandparents did when they didn't pay down the debt they ran up from WWII. You are being duped by those that are afraid we will take more of their billions they can't ever spend. They have been cleaning up lately and are afraid we will realize it is unsustainable. They are right about that, the jig is up.

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clownboy said:
Infrastructure repair is a routine cost. That we haven't been doing that all along as a portion of the budget is part of the problem. And mass transit is not an investment but a liability. It's highly subsidized.
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So let's fix 2 problems at once and let construction workers go back to paying taxes instead of receiving benefits. You would rather give them food stamps instead of working?
Subsidized mass transit is also HIGHLY efficient. It saves billions in highway construction and maintenance. But you are blind to that too.
 
iguanaman said:
So let's fix 2 problems at once and let construction workers go back to paying taxes instead of receiving benefits. You would rather give them food stamps instead of working?
Subsidized mass transit is also HIGHLY efficient. It saves billions in highway construction and maintenance. But you are blind to that too.
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Where do you think highway funds come from? And don't forget you take money away from bureaucrats you aren't going to be liked very much
 
Lord of Planar said:
Really?

You mean the compound interest on the double digit inflation he inherited had no part in it?

Besides, You are in error. It isn't six times, it's just less than 3. About 2.8 times.

OMB: Table 7.1—Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940–2018
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Reagan spent his way out of his recession like he was told, I don't hold it against him for that. It's denying that he did that is reprehensible. He also raised taxes so that alone makes him far better than GW Bush who buried us with debt from his ridiculous tax cuts.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

I'd just like to know when it is that the liberals and RINO's will seriously address balancing the budget and reducing debt? How high does the debt have to be before it wakes these idiots up - $25 trillion, $30 trillion? Never?

All Obummer wants is a no limit credit card for the duration of his drunken-sailor-spending presidency.
 
iguanaman said:
So let's fix 2 problems at once and let construction workers go back to paying taxes instead of receiving benefits. You would rather give them food stamps instead of working?
Subsidized mass transit is also HIGHLY efficient. It saves billions in highway construction and maintenance. But you are blind to that too.
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Nonsense.

In most states it does nothing more than suck money away from needed improvements in highways and normal maintenance. People driving cars get clipped funding such BS government programs.
 
iguanaman said:
Right. Just like our Grandparents did when they didn't pay down the debt they ran up from WWII.
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Really?

Look at 1947, 1948, 1951, 1956, and 1969. The debt did in fact decrease these fiscal years. Look at the link I resented in post #1533.
 
iguanaman said:
So let's fix 2 problems at once and let construction workers go back to paying taxes instead of receiving benefits. You would rather give them food stamps instead of working?
Subsidized mass transit is also HIGHLY efficient. It saves billions in highway construction and maintenance. But you are blind to that too.
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You show zero awareness of what has happened to the construction industry out West here. And they don't get food stamps year round. They've always used unemployment on the off season. And the bit about mass transit is absolute bull****. It saves nothing in highway construction and maintenance. People who can drive their own, do. Mass transit actually adds to highway construction and maintenance budgets.
 
iguanaman said:
Right. Just like our Grandparents did when they didn't pay down the debt they ran up from WWII. You are being duped by those that are afraid we will take more of their billions they can't ever spend. They have been cleaning up lately and are afraid we will realize it is unsustainable. They are right about that, the jig is up.

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Most ignorant of the facts statement ever. Right after WWII paying off the debt was a priority for government.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Really?

Look at 1947, 1948, 1951, 1956, and 1969. The debt did in fact decrease these fiscal years. Look at the link I resented in post #1533.
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We have run deficits for 63 of the last 73 years. You tell me. What is the norm? What good does paying down debt do for the US economy?
 
iguanaman said:
We have run deficits for 63 of the last 73 years. You tell me. What is the norm? What good does paying down debt do for the US economy?
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It's balance. Having no debt is a bad thing and too much debt is a bad thing. Easier to balance and repair balance from the no debt side of the scale.
 
iguanaman said:
We have run deficits for 63 of the last 73 years. You tell me. What is the norm? What good does paying down debt do for the US economy?
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Do you understand the difference between running up debt and getting nothing for it vs. creating debt and generating strong economic results?
 
Conservative said:
Do you understand the difference between running up debt and getting nothing for it vs. creating debt and generating strong economic results?
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Hmm. Like GW Bush did? Results are always relative. Running up the debt and causing a worldwide financial melt down is bad. There we agree

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iguanaman said:
Hmm. Like GW Bush did? Results are always relative. Running up the debt and causing a worldwide financial melt down is bad. There we agree

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So do I have this right, GW Bush created 4.9 trillion dollars I debt over 8 years and that justifies Obama creating 6.4 trillion in five? Is that liberal logic? You keep buying what Obama and left leaning economist tell you. you do realize that left leaning economists have an agenda, don't you? How does that massive debt benefit you and your family? How would a European socialist economy benefit you and your state?
 
Conservative said:
So do I have this right, GW Bush created 4.9 trillion dollars I debt over 8 years and that justifies Obama creating 6.4 trillion in five? Is that liberal logic? You keep buying what Obama and left leaning economist tell you. you do realize that left leaning economists have an agenda, don't you? How does that massive debt benefit you and your family? How would a European socialist economy benefit you and your state?
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The Europeans based their "socialist" policies on "advice" they got from the U.S. after WWII. They actually did better at it than us, but we will catch up.
The Germans have done really well with our policies and have a much happier and more secure population as I'm sure you know. We could learn from them now. We certainly won''t go backwards.
 
iguanaman said:
The Europeans based their "socialist" policies on "advice" they got from the U.S. after WWII. They actually did better at it than us, but we will catch up.
The Germans have done really well with our policies and have a much happier and more secure population as I'm sure you know. We could learn from them now. We certainly won''t go backwards.
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The European economy is based upon govt. spending being the largest component of their GDP. We have a private sector economy in this country at least for the time being.
 
When legislators are elected to legislate and create impasse, chaos, and shutdown, it can be directly compared to a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. The Repubs and T'baggers are going to pay at the ballot box for this immature kidnapping of the legislative process.
 
DaveFagan said:
When legislators are elected to legislate and create impasse, chaos, and shutdown, it can be directly compared to a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. The Repubs and T'baggers are going to pay at the ballot box for this immature kidnapping of the legislative process.
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In your dreams perhaps. In reality many of those representatives are doing just what their constituency wants from them. And this IS the legislative process. The two things that no one wants to see as they are being made - laws and sausages.
 
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