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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Conservative said:
Anyone that understands that having a 17 trillion dollar debt on a 16 trillion dollar economy!!! Why aren't you outraged over that debt? Aren't you rational?
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How much of that 17 trillion dollar debt is a result of GWB's time in office? Let me give you a clue.....he started around 5 and ended around 11. Obama is certainly no friend to the debt, but he didn't create the entire 17 trillion himself. Your hero was responsible for a big chunk of it (something that you love to conveniently forget).
 
disneydude said:
How much of that 17 trillion dollar debt is a result of GWB's time in office? Let me give you a clue.....he started around 5 and ended around 11. Obama is certainly no friend to the debt, but he didn't create the entire 17 trillion himself. Your hero was responsible for a big chunk of it (something that you love to conveniently forget).
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4.9 trillion including 1 trillion due to 9/11. So let's see, Bush adds 600 billion per year, Obama 6.4 trillion in 5 years or 1.3 trillion per year. Looks like Obama has doubled the Bush debt. I guess coming from California you are insulated to deficits and debt not understanding either. why don't you explain to me what Obama has proposed to cut the yearly deficits and how raising the debt ceiling puts pressure on Congress and him to do that?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

iguanaman said:
Compared to 2008 it is.

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I know this is something you don't understand but Bush was in office for 8 years just like you want to focus on the low job creation during the Bush term but not the 5% unemployment rate. You have so much passion for liberalism in spite of poor economic numbers and the question is why?
 
Conservative said:
Anyone that understands that having a 17 trillion dollar debt on a 16 trillion dollar economy!!! Why aren't you outraged over that debt? Aren't you rational?
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In other words, you can't name a single rational person who thinks that raising the debt limit is insane.
 
Conservative said:
4.9 trillion including 1 trillion due to 9/11. So let's see, Bush adds 600 billion per year, Obama 6.4 trillion in 5 years or 1.3 trillion per year. Looks like Obama has doubled the Bush debt. I guess coming from California you are insulated to deficits and debt not understanding either. why don't you explain to me what Obama has proposed to cut the yearly deficits and how raising the debt ceiling puts pressure on Congress and him to do that?
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More excuses and spin from you Con....why would we ever expect otherwise. Like I said, Obama is no saint when it comes to the debt, but make no bones about it....despite your spin, GWB took the debt from around 5 trillion to 11 trillion. That is simply the facts. Try as you might....you cannot change them.
 
Conservative said:
The Associated Press today has the Obama approval rating down to 37%. When is Obama going to propose cuts in the size of the govt? The proposal of a 3.77 trillion dollar budget doesn't do that.
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Or you could actually address anything I said instead of another one of your generic rants? Just a thought.
 
Travis007 said:
Youre posts are simply scary stupid... do you worship the Kenyan fraud as a form of religion?..
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If you have a problem with something my link says... why don't you address it instead of trolling me?
 
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Mithros said:
Name one rational person who thinks that raising the debt ceiling is "insane".
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Name one rational person who thinks it's not insane to keep driving the debt higher and higher. Especially with no real plan on stopping it.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Name one rational person who thinks it's not insane to keep driving the debt higher and higher. Especially with no real plan on stopping it.
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Why can't people grasp that raising the debt ceiling is NOT driving the debt higher?

WTF?
 
Mithros said:
In other words, you can't name a single rational person who thinks that raising the debt limit is insane.
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I am rational but apparently you aren't since you have no problem extending the debt ceiling with a 17 trillion dollar debt
 
poweRob said:
Or you could actually address anything I said instead of another one of your generic rants? Just a thought.
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Gee, thought I did respond to your post. Maybe your post wasn't clear enough or could it be that you don't even know what you posted?
 
Threegoofs said:
Why can't people grasp that raising the debt ceiling is NOT driving the debt higher?

WTF?
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LOL, you sound as intelligent as Obama. So if the debt ceiling increase doesn't allow the Congress to spend more money why do we need to increase it since there is no 2014 budget?
 
disneydude said:
How much of that 17 trillion dollar debt is a result of GWB's time in office? Let me give you a clue.....he started around 5 and ended around 11. Obama is certainly no friend to the debt, but he didn't create the entire 17 trillion himself. Your hero was responsible for a big chunk of it (something that you love to conveniently forget).
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From $5T to $10T in 8 years I believe.
 
Conservative said:
Gee, thought I did respond to your post. Maybe your post wasn't clear enough or could it be that you don't even know what you posted?
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Recap time...

poweRob said:
The cracks are forming in the GOP shutdown... Counts show there is more than enough votes to pass a clean cr and now the gopmasters , koch brothers are loosening the reigns to help give them an out without a fear of a koch brother funded primary challenger.

Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics
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Conservative said:
The Associated Press today has the Obama approval rating down to 37%. When is Obama going to propose cuts in the size of the govt? The proposal of a 3.77 trillion dollar budget doesn't do that.
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poweRob said:
Or you could actually address anything I said instead of another one of your generic rants? Just a thought.
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Ya see... you didn't respond to my post. You just "replied" to it and then said something on another tangent. Replying isn't necessarily responding. So no, you didn't respond. You just lined up another one of your patented irrelevant rants. I said nothing about approval ratings or anything like that. That's just you making yet another straw man. Have fun!
 
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iguanaman said:
Your way out of date. There are no more demands to defund or delay Obamacare, the T's have moved on to entitlements. You have to keep up.
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That must be why they sent a budget to the Senate fully funding all those entitlements. Dude, have you been under a rock?
 
Threegoofs said:
Because you need to pay the bills that you already racked up.
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LOL, and what bills would that be? You really bought the liberal rhetoric, didn't you. Do you understand how the budget process works?
 
Conservative said:
LOL, and what bills would that be? You really bought the liberal rhetoric, didn't you. Do you understand how the budget process works?
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I understand it much better than you, I reckon.

What bills? Well, what about the debt payments? When you issue bonds with repayment schedules, those are bills that need to be paid, often for the next decade or more. Scheduled bills.

What about payments to hospitals and doctors for Medicare and Medicaid? Services have been rendered, bills will be due. Not to mention the fact that you are basically contractually obligated to cover those recipients in the future, unless you change the laws.

Social Security checks need to be issued. Monthly. Those are debt obligations. Those arent optional payments via law.

Defense contractors need their checks. People are under contract with the government - companies, organizations, etc. They need to be paid via law and contracts.

I could go on and on. But I bet its probably senseless, because you dont seem to have the slightest grasp on what the government does.
 
Threegoofs said:
Because you need to pay the bills that you already racked up.
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Try increasing your debt to pay your personal bills. You won't do it for long.

The government has gotten away with it to the point it is now a crisis.
 
Threegoofs said:
I understand it much better than you, I reckon.

What bills? Well, what about the debt payments? When you issue bonds with repayment schedules, those are bills that need to be paid, often for the next decade or more. Scheduled bills.

What about payments to hospitals and doctors for Medicare and Medicaid? Services have been rendered, bills will be due. Not to mention the fact that you are basically contractually obligated to cover those recipients in the future, unless you change the laws.

Social Security checks need to be issued. Monthly. Those are debt obligations. Those arent optional payments via law.

Defense contractors need their checks. People are under contract with the government - companies, organizations, etc. They need to be paid via law and contracts.

I could go on and on. But I bet its probably senseless, because you dont seem to have the slightest grasp on what the government does.
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And as I pointed out we have 220 billion or so a month coming in for expenses such as debt service, SS payments, Medicare but no you buy what the Obama administration tells you. Where are the Obama expense cuts? Do you realize what the monthly expense payments are for those items you listed?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Misterveritis said:
Slavery was once the law. Separated but equal was once law. Shall we return to slavery?
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Obamacare is not akin to slavery and Jim Crow? :roll:
 
Conservative said:
And as I pointed out we have 220 billion or so a month coming in for expenses such as debt service, SS payments, Medicare but no you buy what the Obama administration tells you. Where are the Obama expense cuts? Do you realize what the monthly expense payments are for those items you listed?
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Apparently, you dont realize it... because you keep spitting out this 220 billion figure but never describe the other side.

Also, what happens when tax revenues nosedive when the economy tanks when we default? Generally, I like my government to be run by individuals who can think a bit longer term than what happens the next few weeks.
 
Grant said:
Democrats alive just 50 years ago would now be
turning in their graves at the thought of a Black man in the White House. No need to go back to the Civil War and earlier.
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True that Grant.

Al Gore's daddy included.

I never get tired of being called a racist by a member of the party that Fillibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
 
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