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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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pbrauer said:
Was the taxes on the tea too high?
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Wasn't there nor does it matter what I think, what matters is what the colonist thought at the time.
 
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Conservative said:
Wasn't there nor does it matter what I think, what matters is what the colonist thought at the time.
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Well the conservatives of the time liked the status quo, it was the liberals that were for revolution.
 
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pbrauer said:
Well the conservatives of the time liked the status quo, it was the liberals that were for revolution.
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So what is your point, times change but not the desire for bigger govt. regardless of the party. Your support for that massive Central Govt. Obama wants is recognized.
 
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pbrauer said:
Well the conservatives of the time liked the status quo, it was the liberals that were for revolution.
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Which has what to do with people like yourself?
 
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Conservative said:
Yep unreasonable taxes perceived by the Colonists most of whom are turning over in their grave today(IMO) knowing the tax rates, budget, and size of the current Federal govt.
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Many of them would also be turning over in their graves at the thought of a black man in the white house and women working... so maybe we shouldn't put too much stock into what they thought.
 
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pbrauer said:
Well the conservatives of the time liked the status quo, it was the liberals that were for revolution.
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I grew up a JFK Democrat, you think the party today is like the Party of JFK? What did JFK say about taxes and the private sector?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Many of them would also be turning over in their graves at the thought of a black man in the white house and women working... so maybe we shouldn't put too much stock into what they thought.
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Probably especially this black man in the WH who never held a real job in his life and is nothing more than a street thug who throws a tantrum when he doesn't get what he wants. You see, our Forefathers wanted the power the closest to the people which is the House and didn't believe in the massive central govt that Obama is promoting and trying to create. You believe it is about race where I believe it is about the incompetence of Obama
 
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Conservative said:
I grew up a JFK Democrat, you think the party today is like the Party of JFK? What did JFK say about taxes and the private sector?
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I don't believe the Democratic party wants the top marginal rate to be 70% JFK was a liberal and he would be for all the social programs we have today.
 
Conservative said:
But you don't have a problem with foreigners murdering Americans and babies here on our soil? Have you bothered to check out the Radical Islam mission statement? You are an infidel so do you think you can change the mind of a radical?
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Actually I am referencing abortion. It disturbs me that I'm paying for someone to execute their child.

Regarding the Middle East - I see that as 'reaping what we sowed' in that region.

What to do about it? I'm not sure. But I want nothing to do with killing people.
 
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pbrauer said:
I don't believe the Democratic party wants the top marginal rate to be 70% JFK was a liberal and he would be for all the social programs we have today.
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Your opinion noted, JFK understood the private sector and that it is the private sector that drives our economy. It is also the private sector that generates the funds for the social programs you value. Obama doesn't understand that nor do most liberals.

John F. Kennedy on taxes
 
SingleCellOrganism said:
Actually I am referencing abortion. It disturbs me that I'm paying for someone to execute their child.

Regarding the Middle East - I see that as 'reaping what we sowed' in that region.

What to do about it? I'm not sure. But I want nothing to do with killing people.
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Great attitude, now sell that to those who want you to convert to Islam or die
 
NIMBY said:
Spinners on MSNBC caught the part of a short-term offer by the POTUS on the debt limit, like 8 weeks.
But, since Obama said it out loud, you know what that means with Repubs.
And, the Dem caucus isn't happy with this idea.
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Ah, just freeze spending, all spending at the 3.7 trillion level and raise the debt ceiling a trillion, with a provision that as long as not a single penny is spent above that 3.7 trillion, if the debt ceiling need raising in the future it will automatically rise another trillion as long as spending never exceeds 3.7 trillion. I don't care how long it takes, keep the freeze, spending 3.7 trillion until the budget is balanced, until all expenditures, spending is less than all revenue/income/money coming in. Keep the freeze in place until there is a 200 billion surplus which must be maintained every year hence and start paying down the debt.

Interest rate can't stay this low. As it is we are paying 420 billion in interest alone and that is at roughly 2%. what happens if interest rates rise to there normal level, you know how much the interest payment would be on 17 trillion at the historical average rate of 6%. ONE TRILLION dollars a year.

We are living in a fools paradise if we or anyone, anybody thinks interest rates will remain between 1 and 2 percent.
 
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Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, JFK understood the private sector and that it is the private sector that drives our economy. It is also the private sector that generates the funds for the social programs you value. Obama doesn't understand that nor do most liberals.

John F. Kennedy on taxes
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So you favor the Federal Income Tax rates that existed after the JFK/LBJ tax cuts?
 
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pbrauer said:
So you favor the Federal Income Tax rates that existed after the JFK/LBJ tax cuts?
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If the same deductions are available, and social programs are rolled back to what existed at the time, sure...
 
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pbrauer said:
So you favor the Federal Income Tax rates that existed after the JFK/LBJ tax cuts?
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What I favor is the JFK budget in 2013 dollars, 250 billion dollars=1.8 trillion budget, deal??
 
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Anthony60 said:
I'm sure it had a ton of conservative support, LOL! More liberal BS!
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The Heritage Foundation wrote the original plan. But, you, of course, probably do not know that. Hence, the old meme about Fos News people knowing less than people who do not even watch news.

I chuckle because that's why the Right can't win general elections.


I just attribute democrats claiming that republicans are against Obama's far left policies because of him being multi-racial as sheer stupidity, there is no other explanation for anything so blatantly wrong. Jee, could it be because they are far left? DUH!

There are facts, and then there are liberal facts, also known as lies.
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Facts have a liberal bias. Yes. I know.
 
Conservative said:
Oh, by the way, talk about liberal arrogance? We cannot let "some nobody country out of the backwoods of Wyoming dictate US Policy" because of course we know those people don't represent any of the values of this country. You really need to take a history class
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NIMBY said:
When I take a Republican, I have time to scan the front page of Politico and look at their headlines.
A new one has Rep. Amash being primaried by a RINO, a new trend emerging.
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They need a cleansing. But, judging by the crowd in here, the cleansing will be harder to the Right, not a shift to the middle. Sad. But true.
 
Conservative said:
I am not the one passing off total vote as a true indication of election results, you are. You are the one ignoring the make up of the House simply because of big city votes swinging the popular votes. Guess you don't feel that small states deserve a voice and should be ruled by the big cities.
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Gerrymandering is not giving small states a voice. I hope you know the difference.
 
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Conservative said:
You are absolutely correct, never let actual facts and data get in the way of your own personal opinions. It is much easier going through life naïve and gullible vs. doing research and learning from your mistakes.

By the way, I don't run to the moderators, too bad you have no idea who is doing that. I do and don't respond to them any more.
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I know you don't run to the mods. You enjoy this stuff too much.
 
calamity said:
Gerrymandering is not giving small states a voice. I hope you know the difference.
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LOL, you're a hoot. We have had gerrymandering in AL for years to ensure a minority was elected by order of the Justice Department. How would you explain the different results between the 2006 elections and the 2010 election given the districts were the same?
 
calamity said:
Gerrymandering is not giving small states a voice. I hope you know the difference.
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I hope you know that both gerrymandering occurred long before the Republicans took control of the House
 
Which is why small states lost this right to gerrymander in appointing their Senators with the 17th amendment.
calamity said:
Gerrymandering is not giving small states a voice. I hope you know the difference.
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AlabamaPaul said:
How would you explain the different results between the 2006 elections and the 2010 election given the districts were the same?
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We've been through all that Paul.
The several entities of the 2008 Dem. coalition didn't vote.
And, Fox set up the TEAparty and pulled the strings at townhalls with shouted talking TEA talking points.
How about that ist district CD battle in AL?
A new trend is TEAs getting RINO'd.
 
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Honestly, I wouldn't put it past Cantor/Ryan to put a one-DAY continuing resolution out each day as all of our dear leaders have a "conversation/discussion".1st and ten, do it again each day.
The truth of interest, it amounts to almost 50% of what BHO has addeed to the TAD.
Perotista said:
Ah, just freeze spending, all spending at the 3.7 trillion level and raise the debt ceiling a trillion, with a provision that as long as not a single penny is spent above that 3.7 trillion, if the debt ceiling need raising in the future it will automatically rise another trillion as long as spending never exceeds 3.7 trillion. I don't care how long it takes, keep the freeze, spending 3.7 trillion until the budget is balanced, until all expenditures, spending is less than all revenue/income/money coming in. Keep the freeze in place until there is a 200 billion surplus which must be maintained every year hence and start paying down the debt.

Interest rate can't stay this low. As it is we are paying 420 billion in interest alone and that is at roughly 2%. what happens if interest rates rise to there normal level, you know how much the interest payment would be on 17 trillion at the historical average rate of 6%. ONE TRILLION dollars a year.

We are living in a fools paradise if we or anyone, anybody thinks interest rates will remain between 1 and 2 percent.
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