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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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calamity said:
Good. Then Congress should agree to pay all existing debt, no strings attached, and we should have a fresh fight over a new budget.

I think we should cut the Defense spending by 50%. No $50B to NSA; No 50B to Statel; No $50B to Homeland Security--cut all those to $25 or less. Next, chop that huge $667B Military Budget down to 300--tops. Lastly, look closely at what we give Vets. Maybe we should cut what we give them by 50% too...that is if we are to cut Foodstamps and other gvt assistance programs.
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Do you realize the reality of what you say?

Look at this:

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Since President bush (41) did his 5 years military cut, spending there has been between about 15% to 20%. This is already severely cut from the cold war era and earlier. Now I think it's inexcusable that the Department of human Health and Human services has doubled since Reagan's time. Look at the Department of Treasury as well. Why has it increased so much since the 60's?

It isn't military spending we need to reduce. We nee a plan to turn tax recipients into tax payer. That most likely means disassemble of these stupid free trade agreements Clinton signed. make imports cost more than they do today, so manufacturing returns here.
 
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calamity said:
Then why did the Republican controlled House pass a budget for which there was not enough revenue???
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Little choice with all the programs that fall under mandatory spending. This makes it even more important not to start Obamacare.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
Do you realize the reality of what you say?

Look at this:

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Since President bush (41) did his 5 years military cut, spending there has been between about 15% to 20%. This is already severely cut from the cold war era and earlier. Now I think it's inexcusable that the Department of human Health and Human services has doubled since Reagan's time. Look at the Department of Treasury as well. Why has it increased so much since the 60's?

It isn't military spending we need to reduce. We nee a plan to turn tax recipients into tax payer. That most likely means disassemble of these stupid free trade agreements Clinton signed. make imports cost more than they do today, so manufacturing returns here.
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You're behind the times.
Made in USA: Wal-Mart inks deal with American toy maker - CBS News

MFG is coming back. That's why the GOP is fighting tooth and nail now. They now the economy will be strong in 2016, and that means the D will win/
 
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ocean515 said:
Can't stand the truth eh? Understandable.
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No. Can't bear a liar.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Lord of Planar said:
Little choice with all the programs that fall under mandatory spending. This makes it even more important not to start Obamacare.
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I disagree. We will have plenty of money as more and more mfg returns to our shores. And, those jobs that come with it will all be high paying automation related jobs. It'll be another tech boom.

Currently the problem is uninsured people going to emergency rooms instead of low-cost clinics. Obamacare aims to correct that. Is it perfect? Hell no. Is it better than nothing? Of course.
 
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ocean515 said:
How do you live with yourself then?
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:roll:

Go back to Fox news. I'm sure they'll continue telling you what you want to hear.
 
calamity said:
IMO, that's why we need Republicans and Democrats working together not holding their breath if one or the other does not get their way.
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that has been my opinion for a very long time. If the two major parties can't govern which it has looked like for a very long time they Can't. It is time to replace them. Replace them with people who put more value on being Americans and looking out for the country than being republicans and democrats and only looking out for their political party.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

If those Democrats that reluctantly did end up voting for it needed to be bribed or threatened to get their vote, what was it that they didn't like about it? We know that one of the writers of ACA has called it a "trainwreck." Did he voice that opinion at the time, but was overruled? Too many questions here for something that is going to affect everybody, IMO. It's never good to have over half of the people in the country against a law that mandates they comply with the law!
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That was Senator Max Baucus of MT who choose not to run for re-election this year. Nelson of Nebraska and Landrieu of LA received bribes. Other senators and representatives were threaten with no funds from the DNC for re-election campaigns etc. Brow beat is another team.
 
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calamity said:
I disagree. We will have plenty of money as more and more mfg returns to our shores. And, those jobs that come with it will all be high paying automation related jobs. It'll be another tech boom.
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I've worked automation since '94. Only the technicians get good pay, of the continuing jobs. The operators are a dime a dozen. Until there is enough competition where the supply and demand formulation favors good employees, operators in automation get paid less than skills required on an assembly line. I wouldn't count too much on this alone, if I were you, unless we return several types of automation jobs to our shores. Techs get paid well, and real good if they are good, but there are very few good techs.


calamity said:
Currently the problem is uninsured people going to emergency rooms instead of low-cost clinics. Obamacare aims to correct that. Is it perfect? Hell no. Is it better than nothing? Of course.
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It solves one problem and creates several more. It's a flat out stupid program, that ends up costing us more.
 
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Fletch said:
So 70% disapprove of republican actions and 61% disapprove of democrat actions? That sounds like a wash to me.
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It is very close to it. CNN yesterday afternoon released a poll that concerned just independent voters. Of course we all know Republicans will blame Democrats and Democrats will blame Republicans, that isn't rocket science. But I always like to know how those who do not affiliate or identify with either party feel. Gallup puts this number at 46% in a September poll. These were the numbers of independents and independents only on whom they blame.

60% of indies blamed the Republican Congressional Party
59% blamed the Democratic Congress party
58% blamed President Obama.

just one last thing on the president, back in November of 2012, 51% of independents approved of the job he was doing and President Obama won re-election with the help of indies. Today according to Gallup, only 36% of independents approve of the President.
 
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iguanaman said:
So you have the same lack of understanding as the T's in the House. You need to take some courses on Govt. A majority in one House of Congress is in no way a mandate.
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Tell that to Harry Reid who is sitting on dozens of bills already passed by the House. It also does appear that you lack a basic history of the Tea Party and buy what the left tells you. It really is sad to see so many just like you, ignorant of history, civics, and economics
 
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Perotista said:
It is very close to it. CNN yesterday afternoon released a poll that concerned just independent voters. Of course we all know Republicans will blame Democrats and Democrats will blame Republicans, that isn't rocket science. But I always like to know how those who do not affiliate or identify with either party feel. Gallup puts this number at 46% in a September poll. These were the numbers of independents and independents only on whom they blame.

60% of indies blamed the Republican Congressional Party
59% blamed the Democratic Congress party
58% blamed President Obama.

just one last thing on the president, back in November of 2012, 51% of independents approved of the job he was doing and President Obama won re-election with the help of indies. Today according to Gallup, only 36% of independents approve of the President.
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Interesting poll results! Do you think DC might finally pay attention to the people they represent? We've certainly been vocal enough about teling them all to "stop acting like children, and do your job!"

Greetings, Pero! :2wave:
 
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Perotista said:
It is very close to it. CNN yesterday afternoon released a poll that concerned just independent voters. Of course we all know Republicans will blame Democrats and Democrats will blame Republicans, that isn't rocket science. But I always like to know how those who do not affiliate or identify with either party feel. Gallup puts this number at 46% in a September poll. These were the numbers of independents and independents only on whom they blame.

60% of indies blamed the Republican Congressional Party
59% blamed the Democratic Congress party
58% blamed President Obama.

just one last thing on the president, back in November of 2012, 51% of independents approved of the job he was doing and President Obama won re-election with the help of indies. Today according to Gallup, only 36% of independents approve of the President.
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Thanks to good old false equivalency.

Here's how the negotiation went. The Democrats wanted a budget with $1018 Billion, the Republicans wanted a budget with $980 Billion. The Democrats said, fine.. make it clean and we'll go 980 Billion. The Republicans said. Oh, thanks for giving us exactly what we want. But now we also want you to cancel the ACA or else we'll shut down the government and crash the economy.

The House Republican Tea party wing is clearly the cause of this. And it's a terrible precedent. What happens when we have a GOP senate and a GOP presidency? Do we want Nancy Pelosi to be able to demand medicare for everyone and 90% tax cuts on the rich or else she'll crash the economy?
 
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calamity said:
I disagree. We will have plenty of money as more and more mfg returns to our shores. And, those jobs that come with it will all be high paying automation related jobs. It'll be another tech boom.

Currently the problem is uninsured people going to emergency rooms instead of low-cost clinics. Obamacare aims to correct that. Is it perfect? Hell no. Is it better than nothing? Of course.
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Such passion for Obamanomics and the question is why? Why won't liberals answer the question? Why won't liberals discuss the Obama results? Why is it that liberals want one big pot, one big central govt to distribute money as those bureaucrats see fit? The problem as I see it is now totally naïve people like you are and how poorly informed you are when it comes to understanding expenses of the govt. No matter how many times I post the data, you ignore it thus making it a waste of time. State taxpayers not Federal Taxpayers fund the uninsured thus why do we need Obamaare? Keep buying the liberal rhetoric for that feel good rhetoric sure makes people look ignorant when the results are shown.
 
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calamity said:
:roll:

Go back to Fox news. I'm sure they'll continue telling you what you want to hear.
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Says the person that BLS.gov, BEA.gov. and the U.S. Treasury constantly shows that you think with your heart and not your brain. Interesting how actual data proves you wrong but you still buy the rhetoric. Try that on your current job and see how long you last
 
Perotista said:
that has been my opinion for a very long time. If the two major parties can't govern which it has looked like for a very long time they Can't. It is time to replace them. Replace them with people who put more value on being Americans and looking out for the country than being republicans and democrats and only looking out for their political party.
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The solution is term limits but that is never going to happen as it will take a Constitutional Amendment to do that and liberals love having the control in major states like California, NY, Illinois.
 
Conservative said:
The solution is term limits but that is never going to happen as it will take a Constitutional Amendment to do that and liberals love having the control in major states like California, NY, Illinois.
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lol. But yet it was the GOP who benefited the most with the Gerrymandered result.

PolitiFact | Steny Hoyer: House Democrats won majority of 2012 popular vote
House Democrats out-earned their Republican counterparts by 1.17 million votes. Read another way, Democrats won 50.59 percent of the two-party vote. Still, they won just 46.21 percent of seats, leaving the Republicans with 234 seats and Democrats with 201.

It was the second time in 70 years that a party won the majority of the vote but didn’t win a majority of the House seats, according to the analysis.
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calamity said:
lol. But yet it was the GOP who benefited the most with the Gerrymandered result.

PolitiFact | Steny Hoyer: House Democrats won majority of 2012 popular vote
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LOL, absolutely amazing how brainwashed people like you are. Do you realize that the city of NY has almost as many people as the state of Ohio? Big cities vote Democratic and of course add to that discrepancy in votes. Liberal candidates in liberal states wins are going to create enough of that vote to give the Democrats total vote control but what does that matter? Please stop this bs and tell me why you continue to buy into Obamanomics? Why is it you support a large central govt. distributing money as they see fit vs. your state doing that? Do you really want that massive central govt. where Federal Bureaucrats control the purse strings and all money going to them to distribute?

We had this discussion the other day and I knew you would ignore the response to come back with the same argument a few days later. Gerrymandering has occurred forever and it took the GOP 40 years to control the House of Representatives. Wonder why?
 
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polgara said:
Interesting poll results! Do you think DC might finally pay attention to the people they represent? We've certainly been vocal enough about teling them all to "stop acting like children, and do your job!"

Greetings, Pero! :2wave:
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No, not in today's political age. I remember a time and I will use senate number where it would pass a bill with a vote something like 35 D's for 20 D's against and 20 R's for and 25 R's against. They bill would pass 55-45 with most of the senators voting the will of their state and people from their state. Today that same bill would pass 54 D's for 1 D against and perhaps 1 R for and 44 R's against.

This is how politics in Washington has changed over the years. Neither party listens to the people or their constituents whom supposedly they represent. The same in the House.
 
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Mithros said:
Thanks to good old false equivalency.

Here's how the negotiation went. The Democrats wanted a budget with $1018 Billion, the Republicans wanted a budget with $980 Billion. The Democrats said, fine.. make it clean and we'll go 980 Billion. The Republicans said. Oh, thanks for giving us exactly what we want. But now we also want you to cancel the ACA or else we'll shut down the government and crash the economy.

The House Republican Tea party wing is clearly the cause of this. And it's a terrible precedent. What happens when we have a GOP senate and a GOP presidency? Do we want Nancy Pelosi to be able to demand medicare for everyone and 90% tax cuts on the rich or else she'll crash the economy?
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Oh I know the cause and who is responsible. But over time who caused it and who is responsible loses traction and fades from view. It soon becomes, let's just get this thing over and the blame start hitting both parties, right, wrong or indifferent. Now independents as a group, they do not pay that much attention to the daily goings on in Washington. They want to lead their lives, watch their football and baseball games and rarely tune into the news. What they have been seeing is the president and the senate majority leader on TV for a couple of minutes saying they will not negotiate. Whether that is wrong or right, is lost on them. They feel in Washington both parties should work together, negotiate and compromise. The truth gets lost and it is their perspective of the goings on that replaces the reality of the situation.
 
Conservative said:
The solution is term limits but that is never going to happen as it will take a Constitutional Amendment to do that and liberals love having the control in major states like California, NY, Illinois.
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We do have term limits and it is called elections. Only the people never pay any attention to the real goings on in Washington. Most Americans only start to pay attention a few days or a week before an election. Everything else is lost and their vote is more on feel and perception than based on the issues and fact. A good slogan, talking points and loud rhetoric will carry the day.
 
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Perotista said:
Oh I know the cause and who is responsible. But over time who caused it and who is responsible loses traction and fades from view. It soon becomes, let's just get this thing over and the blame start hitting both parties, right, wrong or indifferent. Now independents as a group, they do not pay that much attention to the daily goings on in Washington. They want to lead their lives, watch their football and baseball games and rarely tune into the news. What they have been seeing is the president and the senate majority leader on TV for a couple of minutes saying they will not negotiate. Whether that is wrong or right, is lost on them. They feel in Washington both parties should work together, negotiate and compromise. The truth gets lost and it is their perspective of the goings on that replaces the reality of the situation.
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And therein lies the real problem; we have an uneducated apathetic voter base made up of individuals who are too easily swayed by propaganda.
 
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