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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Yes you were, you claimed that defense spending is "required", ie, mandatory:



I said only a small portion is mandatory, which you agreed is correct....meaning you were incorrect in stating it was mandatory.

I gave defense spending as an example and in my book salaries and benefits for our military personnel is mandatory just like the Constitution says it is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE. Sounds mandatory to me or at least our Founders thought it was mandatory.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Where did you get that data? I distinctly remember that prior to Bush's reelection, democrats wanted to push as fact that he was the first President to have a net job loss, but were unable to because job growth increased and he was a positive in net jobs by the election.

That was before the real estate bubbled he helped to inflate popped in 2008 and wiped out all the jobs he "created". Even when you leave that out he had the worst job creation record of any President modern history .

AVERAGE NUMBER OF JOBS CREATED PER MONTH BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION: 20,000

AVERAGE NUMBER OF JOBS CREATED PER MONTH BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION EXCLUDING THE DISASTROUS LAST YEAR: 65,000

NUMBER OF MONTHS IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IN WHICH THERE WERE 500,000 OR MORE JOBS CREATED: 0.

(In fact, there were no months in the Bush Administration in which there were 400,000 jobs created).

Source: The BLS


Read more: Number Of Jobs Created Per Month By George Bush - Business Insider
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I gave defense spending as an example and in my book salaries and benefits for our military personnel is mandatory just like the Constitution says it is the responsibility of the Federal Govt. to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE. Sounds mandatory to me or at least our Founders thought it was mandatory.
And yet, that is not ALL of defense spending, ie, not all of defense spending is mandatory.....to which you agreed to previously.

I guess you just don't accept when you are wrong, proving yourself wrong for the 3rd time tonight.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I have seen no evidence that you are capable of thinking at all and have no idea what you have just posted, a chart that makes you look foolish that has no relevance to the economic conditions today.

Normally I would argue that point. But give the lunacy that is taking place in one of the Houses of Congress lately I tend to agree with you. The T's have brought this to a whole new level, no doubt. Crash and burn is in the air tonight.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Then why don't you find out what the state did with the money?

Im sure some of it went to pay Perry's double dipping on his salary



You people really have a sickness, looking for gotcha politics. You just aren't smart enough to handle the challenge

Thanxs Dr carpet bagger.:roll:
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Normally I would argue that point. But give the lunacy that is taking place in one of the Houses of Congress lately I tend to agree with you. The T's have brought this to a whole new level, no doubt. Crash and burn is in the air tonight.

I wonder what it is about liberalism that creates people like you, people who are so partisan and biased that they ignore actual economic results and distort historical data. I can tell people like you really don't care at all bout the high unemployment for people between the ages of 16-19, African Americans, single mothers. Yes that liberal compassion is more concerned about continuing the Obama economic agenda than actually generating positive results.
 
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I wonder what it is about liberalism that creates people like you, people who are so partisan and biased that they ignore actual economic results and distort historical data. I can tell people like you really don't care at all bout the high unemployment for people between the ages of 16-19, African Americans, single mothers. Yes that liberal compassion is more concerned about continuing the Obama economic agenda than actually generating positive results.

Really, do you have any mirrors in your house? Any at all? :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
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I wonder what it is about liberalism that creates people like you, people who are so partisan and biased that they ignore actual economic results and distort historical data. I can tell people like you really don't care at all bout the high unemployment for people between the ages of 16-19, African Americans, single mothers. Yes that liberal compassion is more concerned about continuing the Obama economic agenda than actually generating positive results.

Should we go back to the Bush 43 results?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Really, do you have any mirrors in your house? Any at all? :lamo:lamo:lamo

Mirrors are the work of democrats! And satan
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

The media is so grotesquely untruthful that democracy is becoming a joke.

1. The Republicans offer to finance all of government except Obamacare, exercising Congress' right over budget matters.

2. The Democrats declare they will retaliate by entirely shut down the government if Republicans will not fund Obamacare.

3. Republicans vote to fund all of government but Obamacare.

4. Democrats shut down all of the federal government.

5. The media en mass falsely declares Republicans shut down the federal government.

With that level of absolute false reporting as Democrat partisan hacks and free PR advertising agencies, democracy has become an absurdity.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

That was before the real estate bubbled he helped to inflate popped in 2008 and wiped out all the jobs he "created". Even when you leave that out he had the worst job creation record of any President modern history .

Not exactly an unbiased site that "Business Insider", now is it?

I'd really have to check out a few reputable sources before agreeing. After all, when I see Krugman appear in the first sentence, well all credibility then goes out the window. Then, they have link to a post encouraging Obama to raise the debt ceiling on his own. Really, they want him to commit an impeachable offense? Just blatantly violate the Constitution?

I didn't go any further into that mess, but now I have a better idea of where all these horribly wrong posts come from on the left here. I mean, you people relly need to stop swallowing everything they feed you.
 
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Not exactly an unbiased site that "Business Insider", now is it?

I'd really have to check out a few reputable sources before agreeing. After all, when I see Krugman appear in the first sentence, well all credibility then goes out the window. Then, they have link to a post encouraging Obama to raise the debt ceiling on his own. Really, they want him to commit an impeachable offense? Just blatantly violate the Constitution?

I didn't go any further into that mess, but now I have a better idea of where all these horribly wrong posts come from on the left here. I mean, you people relly need to stop swallowing everything they feed you.

Krugman isn't credible? Really? He's only a Nobel prize in economics winner, one of the top twenty highest rated economists among all kinds of other things. If you follow what he says over the years you'd find he's almost always right about everything. The people and views he goes after as being wrong so very often are. Yet he sucks? Ok then, who would you say is credible?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Not exactly an unbiased site that "Business Insider", now is it?

I'd really have to check out a few reputable sources before agreeing. After all, when I see Krugman appear in the first sentence, well all credibility then goes out the window. Then, they have link to a post encouraging Obama to raise the debt ceiling on his own. Really, they want him to commit an impeachable offense? Just blatantly violate the Constitution?

I didn't go any further into that mess, but now I have a better idea of where all these horribly wrong posts come from on the left here. I mean, you people relly need to stop swallowing everything they feed you.

Business insider is right leaning but they care about the economy. That's what's missing among the T's. The don't give a hoot about anything but doing their masters bidding. And those masters want another recession.
 
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Krugman isn't credible? Really? He's only a Nobel prize in economics winner, one of the top twenty highest rated economists among all kinds of other things. If you follow what he says over the years you'd find he's almost always right about everything. The people and views he goes after as being wrong so very often are. Yet he sucks? Ok then, who would you say is credible?

The problem with Krugman is that he disagrees with the Right and the facts always prove him right. It burns them up. He nailed the conservative driven "austerity" caused double dip recession in Europe to a Tee. The right wings "Confidence fairy" was certainly a no show and by comparison it made Obama's handling of our economy appear that much better. They REALLY hated that.

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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Should we go back to the Bush 43 results?

The entire 8 year average vs the 5 year average of Obama? You bet. What I find interesting is how people like you continue to divert Bush. Anytime a thread is posted that has Obama's name in it, the Obamabots have to bring up Bush all diverting from that Obama record. Too bad you don't have the ability to research both records.
 
Since your direction for the Universe didn't happen Pero, we have a showdown at the DC corral.
I just wish I knew all that gun term stuff, I could expand.
Let Linc enter and help.
Act like POTUS Christie and get all sides in and not let them out until they agree.
Bring in comfortable everything.
Extra clothes and make sure showers are close.

UNDER the table, DEMS are already giving.
Our tithing is always more than theirs/per se.
KEYSTONE, please Mr. president
Medical Equipmenmt Tax repeal for a year, Please.
acceptance of 986 Billion not 1.2 TRillion as Obama asked
Now Repubs are moving it down to 966
It is the sequester/Paul Ryan budget

Chained CPI, and we don't know the ages--hitting the elderly
I'll get the Sen. Coburn plan to you.

Okay........
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Good grief. Wrong on both. Way wrong. You lefties seem to always see race first.

Actually both are much more correct than you dare to admit.
The Irony of Obamacare: Republicans Thought of It First | Wall St. Cheat Sheet

“An irony of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is that one of its key provisions, the individual insurance mandate, has conservative origins. In Congress, the requirement that individuals to purchase health insurance first emerged in Republican health care reform bills introduced in 1993 as alternatives to the Clinton plan.

The real story of the shutdown: 50 years of GOP race-baiting - Salon.com
On the day the Affordable Care Act takes effect, the U.S. government is shut down, and it may be permanently broken. You’ll read lots of explanations for the dysfunction, but the simple truth is this: It’s the culmination of 50 years of evolving yet consistent Republican strategy to depict government as the enemy, an oppressor that works primarily as the protector of and provider for African-Americans, to the detriment of everyone else. The fact that everything came apart under our first African-American president wasn’t an accident, it was probably inevitable.


Yeah, I know--facts have a liberal bias. :roll:
 
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

No, that is your opinion. There are no debt obligations for fiscal year 2014 yet so now is the time to stop spending. 2013 is in the books.

Good. Then Congress should agree to pay all existing debt, no strings attached, and we should have a fresh fight over a new budget.

I think we should cut the Defense spending by 50%. No $50B to NSA; No 50B to Statel; No $50B to Homeland Security--cut all those to $25 or less. Next, chop that huge $667B Military Budget down to 300--tops. Lastly, look closely at what we give Vets. Maybe we should cut what we give them by 50% too...that is if we are to cut Foodstamps and other gvt assistance programs.
 
I think we are saying the same thing very differently, but are on the same sheet of music. I agree. The ACA law doesn't effect me, I am an old fart and a military retiree to boot.

It might effect me, it might not. I'm on an employer paid plan. It may change or it may not. I don't much care either way.

ACA has a few things I like. I like that insurance companies must take on those with existing conditions. And, I understand that to do that the companies have to have a pool of healthy contributors. So the mandate is fine with me--I always believed it should be a law that you must carry insurance. However, I don't like how it's all being set up and the thing looks like a nightmare to manage.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Um, during Bush's 2 terms he only created 1.1M non-farm jobs, Obama has surpassed that in less time.

"Jobs Created" is a sucker statistic. There is an upward bounds where you reach statistical full employment where it is harder to create jobs as there is a shortage of bodies. As you approach full employment the job creation gets harder as there is a shortage of bodies entering the system above the population growth rate. This upward bound sits around 4% unemployment as that is the normal expected cyclical unemployment turnover gap.

So it is expected that a president that presides over a 10% unemployment will also preside over more job creation that a president that presides over a 4-5% unemployment rate.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Back-in-Black plan -- Sen. Coburn(R-OK) July, 2011; Balances the budget in 4-5 years; 10 years of cutting actual budget deficits each ensuing year by a total of 9 TRILLION overall in 10 years -- it had the 8-for-one swap. I believe this was the beinning of the "grand bargain idea". Eight parts in cuts to one part in revenue. Most of his revenue came from closing loopholes. Norquist and TEAcrazies trashed him from the right and Liberals weren't too thrilled either. THIS PLAN IS PAINFUL but can be done. The sequester doesn't come close, and that's before the priorities.
Sequester will not come close to these numbers. Remember the debate when Romney had to raise his hand to be against a 10-for-1 swap, a critical mistake in the general. Doc. Coburn left room for "conversation" in his plan. That Obama/Boehner couldn't close the deal in 2011, we start on very thin ice.
Facts have a liberal bias---so I'm sure our friend Conservative will argue that what you wrote is just lefty propaganda.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

The point is entitlement costs, interest expense, defense, Veterans affairs are required govt. spending, nothing else is required. It is amazing to me how brainwashed people like you have become in believing we need a 3.8 trillion dollar federal govt. That is a sad state of affairs and time for a real dose of reality. Liberals are going to run out of other people's money to spend.
Then why did the Republican controlled House pass a budget for which there was not enough revenue???
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Good. Then Congress should agree to pay all existing debt, no strings attached, and we should have a fresh fight over a new budget.

I think we should cut the Defense spending by 50%. No $50B to NSA; No 50B to Statel; No $50B to Homeland Security--cut all those to $25 or less. Next, chop that huge $667B Military Budget down to 300--tops. Lastly, look closely at what we give Vets. Maybe we should cut what we give them by 50% too...that is if we are to cut Foodstamps and other gvt assistance programs.

We should cut every budget line item by 10-15%. Each party gets one line item to restrict cuts to by Department.

If my math is correct, that should return us to 2008 spending levels, which would almost be deficit neutral based on current revenue projections.
 
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Then why did the Republican controlled House pass a budget for which there was not enough revenue???

You mean the FY 2009 budget that was projected to create a surplus by 2012, by keeping runaway spending in check? The one that projected to spend 3.1 trillion in 2012 ? That one?
 
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