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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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CNN Shutdown Poll: Plenty of blame to go around – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

According to the poll, 63% of those questioned say they are angry at the Republicans for the way they have handled the shutdown.

"But the Democrats are not getting off scot-free. Fifty-seven percent of Americans are also angry at the way the Democrats are dealing with the shutdown. And a 53% majority say they are also angry at President Obama," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "It looks like there is more than enough blame to go around and both parties are being hurt by the shutdown."

The CNN poll results are similar to those from a new Pew Research Center poll also released Monday and surveys from Gallup and CBS News/New York Times surveys conducted last week, which indicate slightly more people blaming - or angry at - Republicans than Democrats or the president for the shutdown.

Not surprisingly, huge majorities of Democrats are angry at the Republicans, and huge majorities of Republicans are angry at Obama and Democrats. Independents are equally angry at all sides, with 59% of Independents very or somewhat angry at the Democrats, six in 10 angry at the GOP, and 58% angry at Obama.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
But James Madison will also be remembered for presiding over the disastrous war of 1812 and allowing the capital building be burned to the ground.
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wrong, Madison could not stop the British, America's military was still to weak at Bladensburg, Madison, mounted a horse and when out in to the countryside to rally and give hope to the people.
 
ernst barkmann said:
wrong, Madison could not stop the British, America's military was still to weak, Madison, mounted a horse and when out in to the countryside to rally and give hope to the people.
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If maddison knew America was not prepared for war why did he not try to convince the congressmen calling for war that their idea was stupid and ill-advised.
 
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NIMBY said:
The President asked for a $1,200 Billion clean CR.
The Repub House offered a $988 Billion CR loaded up with policy riders, their form of filibuster.
The Senate Dems then agreed with the Hiuse Repub #, only with it clean.
Guess what? House Repubs then moved the goalposts to $966 Billion.
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Howdy old friend On the shutdown, CNN just released their new poll which shows 63% of Americans angry at Republicans, 57% angry at Democrats and 53% angry at President Obama. But more important to me, this poll also included independent voter figures which so far has more or less been an educated guess. Among independents and independents only, 60% are angry at congressional Republicans, 59% angry at congressional Democrats and 58% angry at President Obama.

As I have been saying all along, both parties are taking the hit and independent voters are blaming both sides equally. I think the rise where it now looks relative even is the president and the senate majority leaders continuing to appear on TV saying they will not negotiate. Who started this fight or who is right or wrong is no longer important to indies, it is appearances and perspectives they are now digesting and having one side saying they refuse to negotiate has brought the Democrats up to almost even in the polls for blame. Never mind it was the rider to defund the ACA that started all of this. That has IMO ceased to be important to them.

In another poll released this morning it showed 33% blaming the Democrats and the President, 36% blaming the Republicans and 25% blaming both parties. What is interesting from the 3 Oct poll is the Republicans dropped from 44% to 36% as to whom Americans are blaming, the Democrats dropped from 35% to 33%, but those who blamed both parties rose from 17% to 25%.

The poll just released by CNN confirms that most Americans are moving to blame both parties. Compare these results with the 1996 shutdown where 51% of Americans blamed the Republicans and only 28% blamed Clinton and the Democrats, I would say as far as the public's perception goes, it is a lose, lose situation for both parties at the moment.
 
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Perotista said:
The poll just released by CNN confirms that most Americans are moving to blame both parties. Compare these results with the 1996 shutdown where 51% of Americans blamed the Republicans and only 28% blamed Clinton and the Democrats, I would say as far as the public's perception goes, it is a lose, lose situation for both parties at the moment.
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I would like to point out that the people are the winners in that scenario. It will be most curious to see if that anger is still at the forefront of our minds 12 months from now, or if the same guys get elected again....and again.....and again.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If maddison knew America was not prepared for war why did he not try to convince the congressmen calling for war that their idea was stupid and ill-advised.
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so your saying that even though the British impressment of Americans at sea, and America was in talks with Britain over it, they should not go to war, because they should be afraid they would lose?

America went to war with Britain before ,with them not expected to win, America was taking on the most powerful nation in the world in 1776 and they won.

your saying they should be cowardly.
 
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Samhain said:
I would like to point out that the people are the winners in that scenario. It will be most curious to see if that anger is still at the forefront of our minds 12 months from now, or if the same guys get elected again....and again.....and again.
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If 1996 is an example and I think the shut down occured in January of that year with less time between the shut down and the election. In November of that year, in a year Bill Clinton beat the pants off Bob Dole, the Republicans who were blamed by a 51-28 margin lost 2 house seats and won 2 senate seats. Apparently 10 month later the shut down meant nothing. Remember the old saying about the bums in Washington, everyone lovers their own congressman, it is the other 434 they hate.
 
ernst barkmann said:
so your saying that even though the British impressment of Americans at sea, and America was in talks with Britain over it, they should not go to war, because they should be afraid they would lose?

America went to war with Britain before ,with them not expected to win, America was taking on the most powerful nation in the world in 1776 and they won.

your saying they should be cowardly.
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But what about the disastrous attempt to invade and take over parts of Canada? Madison could have still negotiated with Britain, considering in the grand scheme of things we were not prepared to fight the British empire and its thousands of veteran soldiers with combat experience in the Napoleonic wars.

If we just limited our war time goals to ending impressment of us sailors, then I can understand the need for the war, but the invasion of Canada makes it look like we were fighting a war of expansion.
 
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in the war of 1812 the u.s. in the battle of Bladensburg outside of Washington, the u.s. forces were commanded by a government bureaucrat and defeated, at Baltimore and fort McHenry, Americas were commanded by military men, and the British were forced to withdraw, and "old hickory" a military man soundly defeated the British in new Orleans, in America'S most slop -sided victory.
 
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Some tea party congressmen find signs of political backlash at home

By Philip Rucker, Published: October 6

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. — Nearly three years after a band of renegade congressmen brought the tea party insurgency to Washington, there are early rumblings of a political backlash in some of their districts.

Here in the Dutch Reformed country of West Michigan, long a bastion of mainstream, mannerly conservatism, voters in 2010 handed the House seat once held by Gerald R. Ford to Justin Amash, a 33-year-old revolutionary and heir to the libertarian mantle of former congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex.). Amash was part of an attempted coup against House Speaker John A. Boehner (R- Ohio) and is a leader of the House tea party faction that helped force a government shutdown last week.

But within Grand Rapids’ powerful business establishment, patience is running low with Amash’s ideological agenda and tactics. Some business leaders are recruiting a Republican primary challenger who they hope will serve the old-fashioned way — by working the inside game and playing nice to gain influence and solve problems for the district. They are tired of tea party governance, as exemplified by the budget fight that led to the shutdown and threatens a first-ever U.S. credit default.

Similar efforts are underway in at least three other districts — one in the moneyed Detroit suburbs and the others in North Carolina and Tennessee — where business leaders are backing primary campaigns against Republican congressmen who have alienated party leaders. The races mark a notable shift in a party in which most primary challenges in recent years have come from the right.
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Some tea party congressmen find signs of political backlash at home - The Washington Post
 
Perotista said:
Evening Pol, hope all is well with you. On the shutdown, me being a numbers guy, CNN just released their new poll which shows 63% of Americans angry at Republicans, 57% angry at Democrats and 53% angry at President Obama. But more important to me, this poll also included independent voter figures which so far has more or less been an educated guess. Among independents and independents only, 60% are angry at congressional Republicans, 59% angry at congressional Democrats and 58% angry at President Obama.

As I have been saying all along, both parties are taking the hit and independent voters are blaming both sides equally. I think the rise where it now looks relative even is the president and the senate majority leaders continuing to appear on TV saying they will not negotiate. Who started this fight or who is right or wrong is no longer important to indies, it is appearances and perspectives they are now digesting and having one side saying they refuse to negotiate has brought the Democrats up to almost even in the polls for blame. Never mind it was the rider to defund the ACA that started all of this. That has IMO ceased to be important to them.

In another poll released this morning it showed 33% blaming the Democrats and the President, 36% blaming the Republicans and 25% blaming both parties. What is interesting from the 3 Oct poll is the Republicans dropped from 44% to 36% as to whom Americans are blaming, the Democrats dropped from 35% to 33%, but those who blamed both parties rose from 17% to 25%.

The poll just released by CNN confirms that most Americans are moving to blame both parties. Compare these results with the 1996 shutdown where 51% of Americans blamed the Republicans and only 28% blamed Clinton and the Democrats, I would say as far as the public's perception goes, it is a lose, lose situation for both parties at the moment.
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Thanks, Pero! What should be done, IMO?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But what about the disastrous attempt to invade and take over parts of Canada? Madison could have still negotiated with Britain, considering in the grand scheme of things we were not prepared to fight the British empire and its thousands of veteran soldiers with combat experience in the Napoleonic wars.

If we just limited our war time goals to ending impressment of us sailors, then I can understand the need for the war, but the invasion of Canada makes it look like we were fighting a war of expansion.
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the u.s. was already in talks with Britain before the war.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
in the war of 1812 the u.s. in the battle of Bladensburg outside of Washington, the u.s. forces were commanded by a government bureaucrat and defeated, at Baltimore and fort McHenry, Americas were commanded by military men, and the British were forced to withdraw, and "old hickory" a military man soundly defeated the British in new Orleans, in America'S most slop -sided victory.
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This is really off topic. The point still remains that the right is to blame for the government shutdown! We must drop these petty, irrelevant political differences and do what is best for America!, which is to destroy the Tea Party and any other party that supports them on this issue!
 
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Old English said:
This is really off topic. The point still remains that the right is to blame for the government shutdown! We must drop these petty, irrelevant political differences and do what is best for America!, which is to destroy the Tea Party and any other party that supports them on this issue!
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really?........would this be your idea?
 
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Old English said:
This is really off topic. The point still remains that the right is to blame for the government shutdown! We must drop these petty, irrelevant political differences and do what is best for America!, which is to destroy the Tea Party and any other party that supports them on this issue!
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Did you bother to read your post before hitting Post given its inflammatory, single minded content?
 
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I actually, at this point, want the republicans to keep fighting this losing battle and keep the government shutdown so that I can hit them hard where it hurts in t minus 7 days, at which point I can completely corner them and we will no longer have this problem again!
 
polgara said:
Thanks, Pero! What should be done, IMO?
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IMO the defunding rider never should have never been attached to the CR in the first place. So this crisis if that is what some people are calling it, the GOP is responsible for it. The wise thing to do on the CR was to pass it with lower funding which the Dems agreed to and move on to the debt ceiling debate and let the 2014 elections decide the fate of the ACA after it had been in effect for about a year. But there is no going back now that the House Republicans have started down this road.

I agree with Nimby idea, have the Dems throw the Republicans a bone in the form of the Keystone Pipeline and the medical device tax and get down to negotiating the debt ceiling. Something along those lines. This defunding battle was one of the most stupid poltical gambit I have ever seen. But what is surprising to me is at this point in time, the shutdown seems to be hurting both parties about evenly. I never expected that. I think what is coming across is that the American People expect the two parties to negotiate regardless of who is at fault. That is my opinion. But all of this is dynamic and could change tomorrow.
 
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Old English said:
I actually, at this point, want the republicans to keep fighting this losing battle and keep the government shutdown so that I can hit them hard where it hurts in t minus 7 days, at which point I can completely corner them and we will no longer have this problem again!
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I think most of us will still be here to witness your destructive intents...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Did you bother to read your post before hitting Post given its inflammatory, single minded content?
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I thought the very same thing but figured, oh what the hell, this joker is either a troll or beyond help so why bother to respond.
 
Perotista said:
IMO the defunding rider never should have never been attached to the CR in the first place. So this crisis if that is what some people are calling it, the GOP is responsible for it. The wise thing to do on the CR was to pass it with lower funding which the Dems agreed to and move on to the debt ceiling debate and let the 2014 elections decide the fate of the ACA after it had been in effect for about a year. But there is no going back now that the House Republicans have started down this road.

I agree with Nimby idea, have the Dems throw the Republicans a bone in the form of the Keystone Pipeline and the medical device tax and get down to negotiating the debt ceiling. Something along those lines. This defunding battle was one of the most stupid poltical gambit I have ever seen. But what is surprising to me is at this point in time, the shutdown seems to be hurting both parties about evenly. I never expected that. I think what is coming across is that the American People expect the two parties to negotiate regardless of who is at fault. That is my opinion. But all of this is dynamic and could change tomorrow.
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I disagree. The debt ceiling should be raised as it is a consequence of past policy. The fight needs to take place on the spending/revenue side of the equation...
 
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bubbabgone said:
I thought the very same thing but figured, oh what the hell, this joker is either a troll or beyond help so why bother to respond.
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Ah, good evening bubba...
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Hey Paul.
Wie gehts?
 
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bubbabgone said:
Hey Paul.
Wie gehts?
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Just trying to find some intelligent, interesting discussions but having little luck...
 
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Q
Conservative said:
The govt. running low on cash needs to stop spending. Do you understand how much cash goes into the govt. each and every day? The debt service is 250 billion dollars or 12 billion a month. We take in about 2.7 trillion dollars a year which is over 200 billion a month so please tell me where the shortfall is in paying debt service on the debt?
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Read the article cited in my post to which you responded. You need to.

A lot of those debt obligations go to folks like you, entitlement payments for SS and Medicare. Add to that pay to military and other federal employees, base operations, ongoing defense projects and other bills due for daily operations. You'll see how fast the money adds up, if you bother reading.
 
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