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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

ocean515 said:
Hmmm. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

The Constitution defines the roles of the House of Representatives, and the Senate. I can't see where the House has done anything that is not specifically authorized by the US Constitution. It's not for the Senate to refuse to deal with Bills coming out of the House.

The Founding Fathers understood why such division was important, why is this such a hard concept to grasp?
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Uh, because tying a debt ceiling bill to repealing a law that is already on the books is unprecedented.
 
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Conservative said:
1. Bush took employment from 137 million to 146. million in 7 years. Obama has taken employment from 142 million to 144 million in 5 years. You call that similar performance?

As for the recession, please name for me the economic policies GW Bush had in place that took us into recession one month after taking office? Your logic and reasoning is scary but not as embarrassing as your posts.
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1. Give Obama two more years then.

2. Where did I say Bush took us into the recession of 2001?
 
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calamity said:
Uh, because tying a debt ceiling bill to repealing a law that is already on the books is unprecedented.
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The current shutdown has nothing to do with the debt ceiling but will in about 10 days but like with just about every other subject you have no idea what either issue entails.

Still waiting for any liberal or centrist to tell us who said this and what the Debt to GDP ratio was when that statement was made.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.
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Conservative said:
You don't get it, do you? Seems that you lack any understanding of leadership and economic policies fully ignoring the impact on numbers by economic policies and lack of leadership. I have no idea what relevance this chart has?
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It shows the 35 straight months of job growth. It is not something a Republican President has done lately. They have been too busy presiding over recessions.
 
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calamity said:
1. Give Obama two more years then.

2. Where did I say Bush took us into the recession of 2001?
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So when you say I blame both recessions on Democrats what were you referring to?

Obama unfortunately has 3 more years and I guarantee if Bush had the economic numbers we have today four years after the end of a recession you would be singing a different tune. You seem to have a problem comparing numbers 4 years after the end of any recession. When the 2001 recession began there were 137. 2 million working Americans and four years after the end of the recession there were 142.5 million working Americans. When the 2007 recession began there were 146.3 million working Americans, four years after the end of the recession there were 144.0 million Americans working or a net loss of 2. 3 million vs. a 4.3 million gain. You call the Obama performance a success or even acceptable?

Information can be found at BLS.gov

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 1980 to 2013

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
2006 143150 143457 143741 143761 144089 144353 144202 144625 144815 145314 145534 145970
2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142153 141644 140721 140652 140250 140005 139898 139481 138810 138421 138665 138025
2010 138439 138624 138767 139296 139255 139148 139167 139405 139388 139097 139046 139295
2011 139253 139471 139643 139606 139681 139405 139509 139870 140164 140314 140771 140896
2012 141608 142019 142020 141934 142302 142448 142250 142164 142974 143328 143277 143305
2013 143322 143492 143286 143579 143898 144058 144285 144170
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

iguanaman said:
It shows the 35 straight months of job growth. It is not something a Republican President has done lately. They have been too busy presiding over recessions.
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Bush had 50 straight months of job growth and most of them weren't part time jobs. thanks to Obamacare the new normal is part time jobs.

Isn't it amazing, all those consecutive months of job growth and we are still 2 million down from when the recession began. Apparently that is a liberal success story
 
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Conservative said:
Bush took employment from 137 million to 146. million in 7 years. Obama has taken employment from 142 million to 144 million in 5 years. You call that similar performance?
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Um, during Bush's 2 terms he only created 1.1M non-farm jobs, Obama has surpassed that in less time.

As for the recession, please name for me the economic policies GW Bush had in place that took us into recession one month after taking office? Your logic and reasoning is scary but not as embarrassing as your posts.
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Pure unadulterated straw.
 
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Conservative said:
Bush had 50 straight months of job growth and most of them weren't part time jobs. thanks to Obamacare the new normal is part time jobs.

Isn't it amazing, all those consecutive months of job growth and we are still 2 million down from when the recession began. Apparently that is a liberal success story
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I guess that is what 8 years of GW Bush did to us. It lowered our expectations, I guess. Bush had a net loss of jobs for his terms.
 
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Conservative said:
So when you say I blame both recessions on Democrats what were you referring to?
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You blame Dems by saying their taking control of Congress in 07 caused the Bush Recession.



Information can be found at BLS.gov
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Mine are BLS numbers.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Um, during Bush's 2 terms he only created 1.1M non-farm jobs, Obama has surpassed that in less time.

Pure unadulterated straw.
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A job is a job and when you have a growing economy you are going to get new public service jobs, something you don't seem to understand. I posted the employment numbers that for some reason go right over a liberal's head. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 
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iguanaman said:
I guess that is what 8 years of GW Bush did to us. It lowered our expectations, I guess. Bush had a net loss of jobs for his terms.
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If Bush had the numbers Obama has today would you be giving him kudos and making excuses for those numbers?
 
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iguanaman said:
It shows the 35 straight months of job growth. It is not something a Republican President has done lately. They have been too busy presiding over recessions.
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Did GW Bush have 52 straight months of job growth? He was the most recent republican President, so which one are you talking about?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You blame Dems by saying their taking control of Congress in 07 caused the Bush Recession.



Mine are BLS numbers.
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With leadership comes responsibility, the fiscal year of the United States runs from October to September. Democrats took control of the Congress in January 2007 and the recession began in fiscal year 2008 beginning December 2007. Democrats had a year and a budget to stop the oncoming recession but were more interested in regaining the WH than doing what was right for the American people
 
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Conservative said:
Bush had 50 straight months of job growth and most of them weren't part time jobs. thanks to Obamacare the new normal is part time jobs.

Isn't it amazing, all those consecutive months of job growth and we are still 2 million down from when the recession began. Apparently that is a liberal success story
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The only job growth during the Bush years was in government jobs. The private sector lost jobs during the Bush Administration.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Did GW Bush have 52 straight months of job growth? He was the most recent republican President, so which one are you talking about?
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Bush jr. had a net LOSS of jobs in his administration. Less people were working when he left than when he started. It was Clinton who created more jobs than Reagan and the 2 Bushes combined.
 
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Mithros said:
The only job growth during the Bush years was in government jobs. The private sector lost jobs during the Bush Administration.
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So I am told, looks like the only jobs Obama is creating are part time jobs. You really need to get over your BDS, Bush has been out of office for almost 5 years now and it is amazing that so many people keep trying to compare Obama results to someone they really despise and get frustrated when the Bush numbers are better.
 
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The real reason republicans will be blamed for the shutdown is because they are responsible for it: The only reason the government is shut down is because republicans refused to fund programs that we all need unless the Affordable Care Act is de-funded! Look, when representatives fail to represent their constituents is when democracy has failed, and regardless of how the right wants to spin it, by saying that their constituents, who voted them in, disapprove of Obamacare, the point still remains that by shutting down the government they are letting down their constituents: how can we be represented if the government is shut down? And if their constituents really disapprove of Obamacare, then the right way to go about it would be waiting a year to see if it works, and then revisiting this issue with evidence and proof; however, they have it backwards: they simply want to delay it for a year now! And why? Because they know it will work; in fact, it is already working! Thanks to the Affordable care, since kids can remain on their parents health plan until 26, a family can now afford to send not just one kid to college but all of them. Wake up folks, this is what real change looks like, and now that it's here we are not going to waste time arguing, we are going to move forward now!

So let me just finish by sending a message to the right: There is nothing more unpatriotic and unamerican than standing against the president, remember that!
 
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Conservative said:
So when you say I blame both recessions on Democrats what were you referring to?

Obama unfortunately has 3 more years and I guarantee if Bush had the economic numbers we have today four years after the end of a recession you would be singing a different tune. You seem to have a problem comparing numbers 4 years after the end of any recession. When the 2001 recession began there were 137. 2 million working Americans and four years after the end of the recession there were 142.5 million working Americans. When the 2007 recession began there were 146.3 million working Americans, four years after the end of the recession there were 144.0 million Americans working or a net loss of 2. 3 million vs. a 4.3 million gain. You call the Obama performance a success or even acceptable?

Information can be found at BLS.gov
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You've blamed the recession of 2001 on Clinton and the one of 2007 on Pelosi. And, now you argue that the slow recovery is on Obama.

Not once do you consider that maybe the slow recovery is due to the GOP playing obstructionists instead of making nice and playing the inside game so something gets down. Not once. And, why is that?
 
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iguanaman said:
Bush jr. had a net LOSS of jobs in his administration. Less people were working when he left than when he started. It was Clinton who created more jobs than Reagan and the 2 Bushes combined.
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Is that right? better tell that to BLS. Bush took office with 137.7 million working Americans and left in January 2009 with over 142 million working Americans, guess that is a job loss to the mathematically inept. Doesn't appear that the actual math agrees with you.

Not sure where you get your numbers but I can beat you to death all day with the actual data but you will just ignore it. What is it about liberalism that creates people who have no problem being made a fool of by the liberal elite?
 
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Conservative said:
A job is a job and when you have a growing economy you are going to get new public service jobs, something you don't seem to understand. I posted the employment numbers that for some reason go right over a liberal's head. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
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If a job is a job then you should not be against Obama INCREASING federal employment...to the extent W did....or be against federal support to maintain state/local govt employment.

If you are in favor of private sector employment increases, then you should not be proud to state that you would not hire the long term unemployed.
 
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Old English said:
The real reason republicans will be blamed for the shutdown is because they are responsible for it: The only reason the government is shut down is because republicans refused to fund programs that we all need unless the Affordable Care Act is de-funded! Look, when representatives fail to represent their constituents is when democracy has failed, and regardless of how the right wants to spin it, by saying that their constituents, who voted them in, disapprove of Obamacare, the point still remains that by shutting down the government they are letting down their constituents: how can we be represented if the government is shut down? And if their constituents really disapprove of Obamacare, then the right way to go about it would be waiting a year to see if it works, and then revisiting this issue with evidence and proof; however, they have it backwards: they simply want to delay it for a year now! And why? Because they know it will work; in fact, it is already working! Thanks to the Affordable care, since kids can remain on their parents health plan until 26, a family can now afford to send not just one kid to college but all of them. Wake up folks, this is what real change looks like, and now that it's here we are not going to waste time arguing, we are going to move forward now!

So let me just finish by sending a message to the right: There is nothing more unpatriotic and unamerican than standing against the president, remember that!
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The bottom line is that the minute the "Communist from Kenya" was elected, the GOP strategy has been to play to their racist base and obstruct everything he tried to do, blaming all failure on the "nigger". It's pretty disgusting. But, it's exactly what they have been doing for 5 years.

Sadder still is the stupid people who buy into it. The GOP would not be playing that card if it didn't work with their base.
 
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calamity said:
You've blamed the recession of 2001 on Clinton and the one of 2007 on Pelosi. And, now you argue that the slow recovery is on Obama.

Not once do you consider that maybe the slow recovery is due to the GOP playing obstructionists instead of making nice and playing the inside game so something gets down. Not once. And, why is that?
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The one in 2001 was Clinton and the one in 2007 was Bush, you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Do you always blame someone else for your own failures? Leadership is about taking the hand you are dealt and playing it. Obama takes the cards he is dealt and blames someone else for the draw he takes from the deck. Nothing I can ever post is going to change your mind or the mind of an Obamabot. Too bad, because failure is all you people are going to see.
 
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Conservative said:
With leadership comes responsibility, the fiscal year of the United States runs from October to September. Democrats took control of the Congress in January 2007 and the recession began in fiscal year 2008 beginning December 2007. Democrats had a year and a budget to stop the oncoming recession but were more interested in regaining the WH than doing what was right for the American people
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So they respected GW's wishes and pretty much gave him everything he asked for. Are you saying that they should have fought the President like the T's are doing now? The Dems are not so self-destructive I'm afraid. As you are so quick to point out that President has a lot of power. He can veto anything he wishes. How many bills did GW veto after the Dems gained control? Two?
 
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
The bottom line is that the minute the "Communist from Kenya" was elected, the GOP strategy has been to play to their racist base and obstruct everything he tried to do, blaming all failure on the "nigger". It's pretty disgusting. But, it's exactly what they have been doing for 5 years.
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Tell me what economic policy Obama wanted that he didn't get? What is disgusting is you cheering the death of Reagan and calling for the death o GHW Bush and GW Bush
 
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iguanaman said:
So they respected GW's wishes and pretty much gave him everything he asked for. Are you saying that they should have fought the President like the T's are doing now?
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Do you just make stuff up as you go along? Name for me the economic policies Obama wanted that he didn't get?
 
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