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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

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winston53660 said:
So what was compassionate conservatism all about?
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Tough love forcing people to get a job maybe not THE job but a job, taking care of those truly in need by having neighbor help neighbor, not making that neighbor a govt. bureaucrat. Restoring the concept of personal responsibility, individual wealth creation, and a smaller limited central govt. returning to the foundation upon which our Founders created. I could go on but you really don't care nor would you understand it.
 
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Social Security isn't like a 401k or a pension. Social Security is a pyramid scheme. The money you pay into is payed to subsidize the people who are on it now.
 
reinoe said:
Social Security isn't like a 401k or a pension. Social Security is a pyramid scheme. The money you pay into is payed to subsidize the people who are on it now.
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Although please note...it's a pyramid scheme run by an immortal. Which works fine as long as the economy is growing...and the economy should be growing for 100 years if not forever.
 
Threegoofs said:
Although please note...it's a pyramid scheme run by an immortal. Which works fine as long as the economy is growing...and the economy should be growing for 100 years if not forever.
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That was never the intent of SS, it was to go into a trust fund, grow at a reasonable rate and be there as a supplement to your retirement income. People were forced to contribute and when it was implemented life expectancy was 62 years so the intent was never to fully pay it out. It also was never intended to be on budget but Democrats in their desire to have more money to spend put it on Budget during LBJ's administration and that is where it has been since. It has been used for whatever the Congress and President wants and to show what liberals want to call a surplus but now is in dire straits. The obligations are coming due and not one liberal here seems to be smart enough to understand that we don't have the money to pay for those obligations so we either borrow it or print it neither of which creates desirable results.

Forcing people to contribute is quite different than a 401K, a pension, or life insurance which is why when asked the question as to where my wife's money should have gone I get total silence or typical liberal bs.
 
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Conservative said:
Tough love forcing people to get a job maybe not THE job but a job, taking care of those truly in need by having neighbor help neighbor, not making that neighbor a govt. bureaucrat. Restoring the concept of personal responsibility, individual wealth creation, and a smaller limited central govt. returning to the foundation upon which our Founders created. I could go on but you really don't care nor would you understand it.
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wel I understand you have memorized a bunch of simplistic catch phrases.
 
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calamity said:
Ah, welfare for the rich. There's a lot of that going around.
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That's right. Those who concentrate on getting money from the rich, rather than looking after themselves, will never succeed. Welfare tends to make people dishonest. Bad laws make bad people. (Or something like that!)
 
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Grant said:
That's right. Those who concentrate on getting money from the rich, rather than looking after themselves, will never succeed. Welfare tends to make people dishonest. Bad laws make bad people. (Or something like that!)
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There are lots of people with their hand out. The poor are definitely not the only ones gobbling at the trough. Seniors, corporations, teachers, bankers, students,....the list of those who want thier entitlements is rather long.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Uh, yeah. The economy will collapse before your dreams of utopia become realized.
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Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I believe in technology and creative solutions. We'll find a way to care for all those old people...probably by relaxing some rules and using technology to provide lower cost medical treatments.
 
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calamity said:
What does 2007 have to do with it? Obama saw increased rev for every year he was in office, beginning in 2009.
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Context. Revenue is still below what it was pre-recession. Also your chart makes no sense. The US govt is not going to take in 5 trillion in revenue anytime soon. The Treasury only shows 2.4 trillion in taxes as of the end of the fiscal year. You might want to check your source.
 
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winston53660 said:
So what was compassionate conservatism all about?
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A RINO pretending to be almost as stupid as a Democrat.
 
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winston53660 said:
So what was compassionate conservatism all about?
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Mr. Bush (41) who was not a conservative used this as a mask for his statism. It was a smokescreen. Nothing more, in my opinion.
 
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calamity said:
There are lots of people with their hand out. The poor are definitely not the only ones gobbling at the trough. Seniors, corporations, teachers, bankers, students,....the list of those who want thier entitlements is rather long.
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Oh yes, I agree. That's how politicians win our votes and we happily vote for those who promise us the most. Despite what many people think, it's not the politicians who are stupid.
 
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calamity said:
Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I believe in technology and creative solutions. We'll find a way to care for all those old people...probably by relaxing some rules and using technology to provide lower cost medical treatments.
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I believe you are going to be disappointed.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
A RINO pretending to be almost as stupid as a Democrat.
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Yeah because having it all spelled out in the hardline is such a sign of genius
 
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calamity said:
Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I believe in technology and creative solutions. We'll find a way to care for all those old people...probably by relaxing some rules and using technology to provide lower cost medical treatments.
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I wouldn't trust the FDA to push forward with some life saving cures. There a paragraph in here with some stats.American Banana Republic | National Review Online
 
JMak00 said:
The only ones shutting the government are the Democrats. That is indisputable.
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Yes, the republicans are sending through bills that would open the government, the democrats refuse to approve them. So, it is the democrats that are shutting things down.
 
Anthony60 said:
Yes, the republicans are sending through bills that would open the government, the democrats refuse to approve them. So, it is the democrats that are shutting things down.
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Shhh, don't wake the Obamabots who don't understand that and unfortunately they believe what Obama tells them in spite of the reality that Obama has yet to tell the truth on any issue.
 
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calamity said:
What does 2007 have to do with it? Obama saw increased rev for every year he was in office, beginning in 2009.
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You need to check your numbers. That graph includes all state and local taxes, including sales and property taxes.

Federal only numbers from the same site, usgovernmentrevenue.com, show

2012 2450.16B
2008 2523.99B

For a difference of less than 3%. Projected 2013 numbers are 2712.04B, or 7.4% higher than 2008.
 
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Samhain said:
You need to check your numbers. That graph includes all state and local taxes, including sales and property taxes.

Federal only numbers from the same site, usgovernmentrevenue.com, show

2012 2450.16B
2008 2523.99B

For a difference of less than 3%. Projected 2013 numbers are 2712.04B, or 7.4% higher than 2008.
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But you forget, to a liberal all money is the same, doesn't matter where it comes from or what its intent for that revenue source it all goes into the same pot even though state and local dollars don't pay for anything in the Federal Govt. that is irrelevant to someone who wants to make Obama look good while making themselves look poorly. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty.

You will noticed that liberals always post charts they don't understand and charts that distort reality then when challenged run and never retract their statements. They ignore responses that refute their posts only to come back a day or two later making the same wild accusations. What liberals don't seem to understand is that we have about 22 million Americans sitting on the sidelines being unemployed/under employed/discouraged that aren't paying much in Federal income taxes and this is over 4 years after the end of the recession.
 
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Samhain said:
You need to check your numbers. That graph includes all state and local taxes, including sales and property taxes.

Federal only numbers from the same site, usgovernmentrevenue.com, show

2012 2450.16B
2008 2523.99B

For a difference of less than 3%. Projected 2013 numbers are 2712.04B, or 7.4% higher than 2008.
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Denying reality? The chart is pretty clear.
 
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Conservative said:
But you forget, to a liberal all money is the same, doesn't matter where it comes from or what its intent for that revenue source it all goes into the same pot even though state and local dollars don't pay for anything in the Federal Govt. that is irrelevant to someone who wants to make Obama look good while making themselves look poorly. Wonder what it is about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty.

You will noticed that liberals always post charts they don't understand and charts that distort reality then when challenged run and never retract their statements. They ignore responses that refute their posts only to come back a day or two later making the same wild accusations. What liberals don't seem to understand is that we have about 22 million Americans sitting on the sidelines being unemployed/under employed/discouraged that aren't paying much in Federal income taxes and this is over 4 years after the end of the recession.
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The recession is not yet over. Revenue has not reached 2006 levels yet. The economy is still in recovery.

That's why the GOP playing games with the budget is such a problem.
 
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calamity said:
Denying reality? The chart is pretty clear.
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Simple question: Does your chart include local and state taxes?

The correct answer is yes, because anyone can visit the website you quoted, which means your chart title of "Total FEDERAL Revenue" is not true. State and Local revenue streams, including property taxes, have absolutely nothing to do with federal revenue.
 
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Samhain said:
Simple question: Does your chart include local and state taxes?

The correct answer is yes, because anyone can visit the website you quoted, which means your chart title of "Total FEDERAL Revenue" is not true. State and Local revenue streams, including property taxes, have absolutely nothing to do with federal revenue.
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Who cares? THe recession effected state and local government too. Right?
 
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calamity said:
Who cares? THe recession effected state and local government too. Right?
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And state and local revenue have absolutely nothing to do with a discussion about federal revenue.

calamity said:
The recession is not yet over. Revenue has not reached 2006 levels yet. The economy is still in recovery.
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The recession is over, it ended quite a long time ago. Federal revenue is above 2006 levels. Again, including local and state taxes, especially property taxes which would be depressed due to normalized housing values, is a ridiculous measure.
 
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Samhain said:
And state and local revenue have absolutely nothing to do with a discussion about federal revenue.
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I never limited my discussion to federal revenue.



The recession is over, it ended quite a long time ago. Federal revenue is above 2006 levels. Again, including local and state taxes, especially property taxes which would be depressed due to normalized housing values, is a ridiculous measure.
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Uh, no. The recession is not yet over.
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Note how we have not yet reached the baseline/.
 
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