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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Kushinator said:
Yes, the accounting necessary to aggregate is in identity form. That still does not negate the relationship between economic growth (employment, credit, policy, etc...) and productivity (agency, management, input factors, etc...) being a multi-dimensional paradigm which primarily determine inflation.
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I don't follow. What is identity form? And why did you group (employment, credit, policy, etc...) under growth but (agency, management, input factors, etc...) under productivity.

Inflation has many causes, and economic systems have many inputs (meaning you can represent them with multi-dimensional manifolds). But I'm not sure that inflation is a multi-dimensional paradigm. It's kind of a one dimensional scalar.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Weren't you the one disparaging FDR a few days ago? :roll:
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No, not me, do you often have little voices in your head making you post like you do? I don't disparage the individual, never have, just the policies. Liberals get personal and have to destroy anyone who gets in their way regardless of the economic numbers which prove them wrong.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
No, not me, do you often have little voices in your head making you post like you do? I don't disparage the individual, never have, just the policies. Liberals get personal and have to destroy anyone who gets in their way regardless of the economic numbers which prove them wrong.
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Irony.

You know your collecting on FDR's policies right now if your drawing SS. At a rate far higher than you ever contributed, I should add. But, then again, you like to whine about entitlements while cashing the checks my generation backs with our labor.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Irony.

You know your collecting on FDR's policies right now if your drawing SS. At a rate far higher than you ever contributed, I should add.
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NO, are you really this ignorant? I am collecting what I was forced to pay into SS. You don't seem to understand this at all because you keep making the same comments over and over again. Apparently you have no problem being forced to contributed into SS and then not getting anything back when you retire?
 
Conservative said:
NO, are you really this ignorant? I am collecting what I was forced to pay into SS. You don't seem to understand this at all because you keep making the same comments over and over again. Apparently you have no problem being forced to contributed into SS and then not getting anything back when you retire?
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Seems like someone who is so worried about the National Debt would then give his SS checks and Medicare payments back to the Treasury.

But I rather have a feeling your attitude is 'socialism for me, not thee'
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
NO, are you really this ignorant? I am collecting what I was forced to pay into SS. You don't seem to understand this at all because you keep making the same comments over and over again. Apparently you have no problem being forced to contributed into SS and then not getting anything back when you retire?
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Bull. You're collecting far more than you ever put in. Besides, we both know you wouldn't have saved that $1500 a year you put in back in 1970. If you even contributed that much, that is.

Such crap. You guys are always full of so much crap.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Seems like someone who is so worried about the National Debt would then give his SS checks and Medicare payments back to the Treasury.

But I rather have a feeling your attitude is 'socialism for me, not thee'
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His idea of freedom is having things he likes subsidized by you and I, including his retirement and end of life healthcare. But, when one dime of his money went to give those less fortunate a leg up, that was bad policy.

Typical RW crap.
 
Threegoofs said:
Seems like someone who is so worried about the National Debt would then give his SS checks and Medicare payments back to the Treasury.

But I rather have a feeling your attitude is 'socialism for me, not thee'
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What exactly does SS and Medicare have to do with the National Debt? Why are either on budget since they are self funded? You are an indictment of what is wrong with the education system being brainwashed by the leftwing ideology. No wonder you believe the GOP is responsible for the shutdown because you lack even the most basic knowledge of our govt. and policies.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Bull. You're collecting far more than you ever put in. Besides, we both know you wouldn't have saved that $1500 a year you put in back in 1970. If you even contributed that much, that is.

Such crap. You guys are always full of so much crap.
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Really? How do you now that? Is that what your liberals masters told you? How do you know how much I have put into SS? You seem to make a lot of wild accusations but never post sources. Try putting 1500 into a savings account for over 30 years and see how much you would have at retirement even using a very conservative interest rate? Guess what, that is even your money that your family gets to keep if you die before collecting. You think your family gets your SS contributions if you pass away before collecting?
 
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calamity said:
His idea of freedom is having things he likes subsidized by you and I, including his retirement and end of life healthcare. But, when one dime of his money went to give those less fortunate a leg up, that was bad policy.

Typical RW crap.
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Your idea is taking all the taxes, putting them into a big pot and distributing them as you see fit ignoring their purpose and responsibilities. Typical leftwing indoctrination
 
Conservative said:
What exactly does SS and Medicare have to do with the National Debt? Why are either on budget since they are self funded? You are an indictment of what is wrong with the education system being brainwashed by the leftwing ideology. No wonder you believe the GOP is responsible for the shutdown because you lack even the most basic knowledge of our govt. and policies.
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Hmm. I'm the one who lacks a basic knowledge?

This from the guy that thinks Medicare has nothing to do with the debt. Gee. I thought Medicare cost was one of the PRIMARY reasons for the ballooning debt.

I bet you think we have debt primarily because we give kids $100 of food stamps a month, or because of our foreign aid outlays, don't you?
 
Threegoofs said:
Hmm. I'm the one who lacks a basic knowledge?

This from the guy that thinks Medicare has nothing to do with the debt. Gee. I thought Medicare cost was one of the PRIMARY reasons for the ballooning debt.

I bet you think we have debt primarily because we give kids $100 of food stamps a month, or because of our foreign aid outlays, don't you?
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You really need to go back to community organizing as obviously you lack basic knowledge of just about everything Medicare is an offshoot of SS and neither were to be on budget but both are. The money for those programs is collected and you will see that when you get a job. That money was to go into the "Al Gore Lockbox" but instead it was put on budget and spent by the Congress and the President on programs other than SS and Medicare. We have a debt today because that money isn't there for those retiring because it has already been spent. Please tell me this is an act?
 
Threegoofs said:
Hmm. I'm the one who lacks a basic knowledge?

This from the guy that thinks Medicare has nothing to do with the debt. Gee. I thought Medicare cost was one of the PRIMARY reasons for the ballooning debt.

I bet you think we have debt primarily because we give kids $100 of food stamps a month, or because of our foreign aid outlays, don't you?
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Do you people remember what you post and ever hold yourselves accountable or those statements? I can beat you up all day with actual verifiable data and historical information and the best you can do is make dumb statements and then run from them when challenged only to come back later making the same dumb statements again. It would be a sign of maturity to admit that you are wrong, apologize, and move on. You would gain more respect as if respect means anything to you.
 
Conservative said:
What exactly does SS and Medicare have to do with the National Debt? Why are either on budget since they are self funded? You are an indictment of what is wrong with the education system being brainwashed by the leftwing ideology. No wonder you believe the GOP is responsible for the shutdown because you lack even the most basic knowledge of our govt. and policies.
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Federal Debt Basics

4.7 Trillion dollars of the current national debt is money borrowed from Social Security.
 
Mithros said:
Federal Debt Basics

4.7 Trillion dollars of the current national debt is money borrowed from Social Security.
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Exactly, borrowed from SS and that is the point. Sounds like kids in a candy store, give Congress money for one program and they will spend it on everything other than that program. Some here miss the point in that SS and Medicare were never supposed to be on budget, they were to always be self funding and off budget. Congress and LBJ saw a way to pay for the Vietnam War and started using the money. Money has been used from the SS fund for decades now and that money was replaced with IOU's that have to be funded one of these days. That is the extent of SS and Medicare's part of the debt, money used not overspending on other items.
 
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Conservative said:
Really? How do you now that? Is that what your liberals masters told you? How do you know how much I have put into SS? You seem to make a lot of wild accusations but never post sources. Try putting 1500 into a savings account for over 30 years and see how much you would have at retirement even using a very conservative interest rate? Guess what, that is even your money that your family gets to keep if you die before collecting. You think your family gets your SS contributions if you pass away before collecting?
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Nonsense. You're collecting far more than you put in and that includes your imgained rate of return on any reasonable investment.
A couple with only one spouse working (and receiving the same average wage) would have paid in $361,000 if they turned 65 in 2010, but can expect to get back $854,000 — more than double what they paid in. In 1980, this same 65-year-old couple would have received five times more than what they paid in, while in 1960, such a couple would have ended up with 14 times what they put in.

PolitiFact | Medicare and Social Security: What you paid compared with what you get
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So, next time you whine about entitlements, look in the mirror.
 
Threegoofs said:
Hmm. I'm the one who lacks a basic knowledge?

This from the guy that thinks Medicare has nothing to do with the debt. Gee. I thought Medicare cost was one of the PRIMARY reasons for the ballooning debt.

I bet you think we have debt primarily because we give kids $100 of food stamps a month, or because of our foreign aid outlays, don't you?
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Conservative probably still has visions of welfare queens when he hears about the "takers". Lawd knows he certainly doesn't any Medicare, social security receiving seniors in that mix.

...at least none who are "real Americans".
 
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calamity said:
Nonsense. You're collecting far more than you put in and that includes your imgained rate of return on any reasonable investment.

So, next time you whine about entitlements, look in the mirror.
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You are incredibly naïve, gullible, or ignorant, maybe all three. Each of your posts gets absolutely dumber. You have no idea what you are talking about. Someone putting that same amount into a simple savings account would generate a lot more than that plus it would be your money when you retire or your family's if you should pass away. Someone with 361,000 in benefits at 1500 a month would take 12 years to get your money back and if you pass away during that period of time your spouse gets very little and none if you both collect SS.

You give the people of Ohio a bad name. I grew up in Ohio, graduated from an Ohio University, and I am embarrassed to read your posts. My wife worked, put money into SS, collected for one year, passed away and all the remainder of her money "contributed" goes to someone else, not her family. Only in the liberal world is that fair. Now stop making an ass out of yourself and the people of Ohio
 
Conservative said:
You really need to go back to community organizing as obviously you lack basic knowledge of just about everything Medicare is an offshoot of SS and neither were to be on budget but both are. The money for those programs is collected and you will see that when you get a job. That money was to go into the "Al Gore Lockbox" but instead it was put on budget and spent by the Congress and the President on programs other than SS and Medicare. We have a debt today because that money isn't there for those retiring because it has already been spent. Please tell me this is an act?
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Oh. So you're now saying Medicare IS responsible for the debt.

Interesting reversal

So we can conclude that you're sponging off Medicare is directly responsible for the ballooning debt. If you're not helping the problem, you're part of the problem.
 
Conservative said:
Do you people remember what you post and ever hold yourselves accountable or those statements? I can beat you up all day with actual verifiable data and historical information and the best you can do is make dumb statements and then run from them when challenged only to come back later making the same dumb statements again. It would be a sign of maturity to admit that you are wrong, apologize, and move on. You would gain more respect as if respect means anything to you.
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I seem to recall YOU were the one who just posted incomparable statements in back-to-back posts.

This post is pure projection!
 
Threegoofs said:
Oh. So you're now saying Medicare IS responsible for the debt.

Interesting reversal

So we can conclude that you're sponging off Medicare is directly responsible for the ballooning debt. If you're not helping the problem, you're part of the problem.
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It is now because it was stolen to pay for other programs. You don't seem to understand the concept. This coming from someone who doesn't understand that when you retire you are going to be forced into Medicare. Your contribution has been spent so where does the money come from to fund your Medicare?
 
Threegoofs said:
I seem to recall YOU were the one who just posted incomparable statements in back-to-back posts.

This post is pure projection!
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Cannot help it if you reading comprehension is a problem. Did you and calamity go to the same school?
 
Conservative said:
It is now because it was stolen to pay for other programs. You don't seem to understand the concept. This coming from someone who doesn't understand that when you retire you are going to be forced into Medicare. Your contribution has been spent so where does the money come from to fund your Medicare?
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Is this some kind of story you tell yourself to make you feel better? Medicare has been funded this was since the 60s.

Itrminds me of a guy at a buffet loading up on the lobster because ' it's just going to go to waste anyway'
 
Threegoofs said:
Is this some kind of story you tell yourself to make you feel better? Medicare has been funded this was since the 60s.

Itrminds me of a guy at a buffet loading up on the lobster because ' it's just going to go to waste anyway'
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Funding is one thing, spending is another. You don't grasp the concept. Your Medicare contributions have been spent. Are you really a voter?
 
Conservative said:
Funding is one thing, spending is another. You don't grasp the concept. Your Medicare contributions have been spent. Are you really a voter?
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Ok. So to summarize....
You say Medicare has nothing to do with the US debt, except that its a major part of it.

You say you're being forced to take Medicare, but you don't really want it and are upset that doctors are not taking your government funded health plan which is not really funded by government at all, but by your own contributions

You also are being forced to personally sign SS checks and forced to walk to the bank and deposit those checks, while being deeply committed to the fact that you don't want younger people bring forced at gunpoint in the future to sign and deposit those checks in THEIR old age. .
 
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