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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Threegoofs said:
Hahahaha! That's hilarious.

I think when he says 'American People' he means ' some guy I knew'. That's the only way this sentence makes sense.
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As were being conceived, your parents were paying their mortgage and living expenses with a 20+ misery index. Like most liberals you don't care nor do you have a clue. Record low interest rates, low inflation made this past recession at least manageable for most Americans.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

calamity said:
Start talking about the failed leadership of GWB, and you might be onto something.

And, the current Congress--especially the House as led by Boehner, but the Filibustering Republicans in Senate are part of it too--is the obstruction.
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Of course it is always the Republican's fault. It was the Republicans Fault even when they didn't control Congress from 2007-2008 and it was GW Bush's fault and Republicans when Obama and the Democrats controlled the WH and Congress from 2009-2011. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
 
Conservative said:
Right, last time I checked the United States Credit Card was issued by the U.S. Congress. Take a civics course. How many times do I have to prove you wrong before you grow a pair and admit you are wrong?
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GWB and his GOP congree started two unfunded wars and expanded the prescription drug plan while cutting taxes. How many times do I have to tell you where the damned $16 Trillion came from?
 
calamity said:
Well, that's at least true. GDP in 1988 was about 7 Trillion; today it's maybe 15.
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If you would stop posting for a while and actually do some research you are going to find that I don't post inaccurate numbers and even give the link to those numbers.
 
Don't you mean $10 trillion? Bush didn't propose an $800 billion stimulus, nor did he increase spending to 25% of GDP.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Conservative said:
Of course it is always the Republican's fault. It was the Republicans Fault even when they didn't control Congress from 2007-2008 and it was GW Bush's fault and Republicans when Obama and the Democrats controlled the WH and Congress from 2009-2011. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
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Damage was done from 2001 through 2006---2007 was simply when the SHTF.
 
francois60 said:
Don't you mean $10 trillion? Bush didn't propose an $800 billion stimulus, nor did he increase spending to 25% of GDP.
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No. I meant $16 Trillion. The stimulus was peanuts. The big money was the $4 Trillion for Afghan and Iraq, plus the tax cuts we could not afford.

But it's important to keep reality in mind. We know exactly what factors are driving the debt, and to say that "the lion's share of this did accumulate under President Obama" is simply absurd.

We're not talking about opinions here; we're talking about facts.

And the facts, as we discussed last week, are incontrovertible.

Towards the end of President Clinton's second term, debt clocks that had been established in various U.S. locations had to be shut down -- the deficit had been eliminated and the clocks had never been set to run backwards. By the time Clinton left office in 2001, the nation not only had a large surplus, it was also on track to pay off the entirety of its debt -- roughly $5 trillion at the time -- by the end of the decade.

Then the Bush/Cheney era happened.
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/05/13681106-the-drivers-of-the-16-trillion-debt?lite
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That was pretty big money, but you're acting as if Bush is responsible for all the debt piled up in the Obama years, despite the fact that Obama wanted to keep the bulk of the Bush tax cuts and increased spending from 20% of GDP to 25%.
 
Conservative said:
As were being conceived, your parents were paying their mortgage and living expenses with a 20+ misery index. Like most liberals you don't care nor do you have a clue. Record low interest rates, low inflation made this past recession at least manageable for most Americans.
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Just cause your old and clearly drifting into senility (or maybe the product of bad schools..hard for me to assess) doesn't mean I wasn't quite aware of the early 80s recession.

It was deep but short and the massive public spending made the economy rebound in two years.
 
calamity said:
No. I meant $16 Trillion. The stimulus was peanuts. The big money was the $4 Trillion for Afghan and Iraq, plus the tax cuts we could not afford.



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What kind of instructions did the Dems give to the CBO to come up with those numbers? Usually the Dems tell them to cook the books the way they want it to show and it's obvious they did in this chart too. It's a worthless chart.
 
Conservative said:
Right, last time I checked the United States Credit Card was issued by the U.S. Congress. Take a civics course. How many times do I have to prove you wrong before you grow a pair and admit you are wrong?
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I thought the buck stops at the president according to you Con?
 
francois60 said:
That was pretty big money, but you're acting as if Bush is responsible for all the debt piled up in the Obama years, despite the fact that Obama wanted to keep the bulk of the Bush tax cuts and increased spending from 20% of GDP to 25%.
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The problem is BOTH sides like to blame the president when it's the other guy in charge and then when it's their guy in charge they blame congress.

The simple fact that posters like Conservative and others on the extreme right and left don't understand is this whole problem we have is due to BOTH sides in the presidency AND both houses of congress.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
What kind of instructions did the Dems give to the CBO to come up with those numbers? Usually the Dems tell them to cook the books the way they want it to show and it's obvious they did in this chart too. It's a worthless chart.
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Yeah, facts have a liberal bias. I know.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
What kind of instructions did the Dems give to the CBO to come up with those numbers? Usually the Dems tell them to cook the books the way they want it to show and it's obvious they did in this chart too. It's a worthless chart.
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Of course it's a worthless chart, it tells you what you don't want to hear.
 
Threegoofs said:
Just cause your old and clearly drifting into senility (or maybe the product of bad schools..hard for me to assess) doesn't mean I wasn't quite aware of the early 80s recession.

It was deep but short and the massive public spending made the economy rebound in two years.
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That's a good fairy tale. Who reads it to you at night before you go to bed?
 
calamity said:
Yeah, facts have a liberal bias. I know.
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Facts don't have any bias.

Where's those instructions the Dems gave to the CBO to produce that worthless chart?
 
Everyone has qualified evidence of whom is the blame it is quite apparent that everyone in congress, senate, and the white house is a culprit. So there is only one thing to do and that is not to vote for a single incumbent in the next election. Not a single incumbent to be re-elected.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
What kind of instructions did the Dems give to the CBO to come up with those numbers? Usually the Dems tell them to cook the books the way they want it to show and it's obvious they did in this chart too. It's a worthless chart.
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The CBO didn't come up with that chart, that's a center-left think tank's analysis of the CBO numbers.

The primary fault of that analysis is that it assumes that all spending increases passed while the Democrats controlled Congress were temporary. that way, you see a big spike for "recovery measures" that goes away with time. Problem is, Democrats never intended to roll back those spending increases, plus most of them had nothing to do with recovery.
 
calamity said:
No. I meant $16 Trillion. The stimulus was peanuts. The big money was the $4 Trillion for Afghan and Iraq, plus the tax cuts we could not afford.



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is that how you run your own finances charging all your income off as an expense? Are you really this naïve and gullible or is this an act? You keeping more of what you earn isn't an expense to the govt. How can someone be so brainwashed. Do you see tax cuts as an expense item in the budget? Is that what they taught you in basic accounting? Keep quoting MSNBE and keep looking foolish
 
Threegoofs said:
Just cause your old and clearly drifting into senility (or maybe the product of bad schools..hard for me to assess) doesn't mean I wasn't quite aware of the early 80s recession.

It was deep but short and the massive public spending made the economy rebound in two years.
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The recovery is exactly what you would expect with proper and good leadership something someone from Chicago wouldn't understand. You seem to think that the recession of 2007-09 was drawn out by itself and has extended into 2013. That being the case why do we need Obama?
 
TheNextEra said:
I thought the buck stops at the president according to you Con?
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Bush is responsible for the 4.9 trillion added to the debt during his term just like Obama is responsible for the 6.4 trillion added to the debt during his term. That is the price of leadership, something Obama nor his Obamabots understand. My answer was to the question I was asked but you failed to quote.
 
calamity said:
Yeah, facts have a liberal bias. I know.
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You think it is factual to call tax cuts and people keeping more of what they earned an expense to the Federal Govt? You have no idea what you are talking about especially since those tax cuts increased govt. revenue. Obama also had the opportunity to eliminate them but didn't, why? He extended them and yet the 6.4 trillion dollar debt is Bush's fault?
 
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