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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

So? It doesn't matter who bears the brunt, neither arm of the Republocrats will be punished because of it.

Yep.

Only the democrats will be, in Nov '14.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Taxes have been raised every year since 2009?

Sort of, but I was referring to people are paying more taxes, not neccesarily higher rates (although some are).
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I've noticed something in this thread. It appears that about half of the posts here are dedicated to logical fallacies, frantic shouting, and ad hominem attacks. What is the point, for any faction, of throwing around inflammatory insults and truckloads of strawmen? 99% of the time, it only undermines your position and makes you look like a fool. Acting like a child while accusing various representatives of the federal government of doing the same is blatant hypocrisy.

General dickery accomplishes nothing.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Interesting anytime a liberal brings up such charts, they either fail to realize how it misleads, or their intent is to mislead.

I wonder what calamity's intent is...

If we take Bush's 2 terms that concluded with an 86% increase, and annualize it, it is 8.07% annually. Obomba's annualized is 2 years is 20.42%

Obamas useful idiots won't understand what you are getting at but nothing matters to them anyway except Obama.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Yep.

Only the democrats will be, in Nov '14.

How did your projections go last election?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I've noticed something in this thread. It appears that about half of the posts here are dedicated to logical fallacies, frantic shouting, and ad hominem attacks. What is the point, for any faction, of throwing around inflammatory insults and truckloads of strawmen? 99% of the time, it only undermines your position and makes you look like a fool. Acting like a child while accusing various representatives of the federal government of doing the same is blatant hypocrisy.

General dickery accomplishes nothing.

Yeah? Well you are a big doodoo-head.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

How did your projections go last election?

Almost correct. I thought the republicans would do a couple seats better in the senate and i didn't think they would take it. I knew they would keep the house. No doubt there.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I told you a long time ago that Reagan nearly tripled the debt... <snip>

Is this intentional intellectual dishonesty in the implications, or are you not aware of the facts?

Reagan inherited double digit inflation from a democrat. Carter (Obomba sr.). Compound interest on the existing debt was atrocious even if his budget was balanced.

Do you understand compound interest?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Almost correct. I thought the republicans would do a couple seats better in the senate and i didn't think they would take it. I knew they would keep the house. No doubt there.

One thing I've noticed is that the democrats efforts are not on ending this, but campaigning that this is the republicans fault. They and the media are coupling that with an effort to push that a partial shutdown of the government is unthinkably horrible. I think that this will blow up in the collective faces, as only a small percentage of people will be affected by this, and probably a lot more won't be getting screwed by the government for the time of the shutdown.
 
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And the GOP would deserve it.

What Boehner is doing now is Letting those who need to cause enough Mischief to make their constituents happy.
These are the same constituents who keep wanting to "Take the country back"... from a Re-elected President. (!)

They lost the original vote on on ACA, of Course and don't have the votes to repeal it now either.
It was challenged in the UNSC as well and passed muster.

So What we have then is an Unprecedented and bizarre attempt to take the budget/country hostage on that basis: a passed Law.
If the Democrats/Prez ever allowed a small minority to be able to change/overturn a law using these tactics, it would be the end of our democracy.
Are other members on the Right willing to shut the country down over abortion or other traditional tough issues?
No.
This is Personal vendetta against a bill called 'Obamacare'. The official Moniker ACA, polls considerably better than the Prez Nickname.
Most people who are polled, don't eve know what's in it, just it's called Obamacare.
Six of One - Obamacare vs. The Affordable Care Act - YouTube

Yes, the wack jobs can do what they were elected to do, but that doesn't mean even Boehner should humor it. He is doing so for party unity and understanding their position.
Allowing a Clean Resolution to fund the govt to come to the floor (Boehner Could Any time) would end the protest and show those who support it they are Not a majority and cannot change the law through these tactics.
These flat-earthers must be made to understand Obama IS the President.. Again.

I think this will end when the Debt Ceiling issue is conjoined and Democrats make other compromises to the GOP, Not Obamacare.
That saves face for everyone and gives Boehner some chips in the big game.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Is this intentional intellectual dishonesty in the implications, or are you not aware of the facts?

Reagan inherited double digit inflation from a democrat. Carter (Obomba sr.). Compound interest on the existing debt was atrocious even if his budget was balanced.

Do you understand compound interest?
It's a clear case of the only people conservatives feel have a right to govern this country are Republicans, but yet Republicans are the ones who drove the fiscal sports car into the lake, beginning with Reagan, who never saw a deficit he didn't like.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

One thing I've noticed is that the democrats efforts are not on ending this, but campaigning that this is the republicans fault. They and the media are coupling that with an effort to push that a partial shutdown of the government is unthinkably horrible. I think that this will blow up in the collective faces, as only a small percentage of people will be affected by this, and probably a lot more won't be getting screwed by the government for the time of the shutdown.

You mean like IRS audits?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

And the GOP would deserve it.


What Boehner is doing now is Letting those who need to cause enough Mischief to make their constituents happy.
These are the same constituents who keep wanting to "Take the country back"... from a Re-elected President. (!)

They lost the original vote on on ACA, of Course and don't have the votes to repeal it now either.
It was challenged in the UNSC as well and passed muster.

So What we have then is an Unprecedented and bizarre attempt to take the budget/country hostage on that basis: a passed Law.
If the Democrats/Prez ever allowed a small minority to be able to change/overturn a law using these tactics, it would be the end of our democracy.
Are other members on the Right willing to shut the country down over abortion or other traditional tough issues?
No.
This is Personal vendetta against a bill called 'Obamacare'. The official Moniker ACA, polls considerably better than the Prez Nickname.
Most people who are polled, don't eve know what's in it, just it's called Obamacare.
Six of One - Obamacare vs. The Affordable Care Act - YouTube

Yes, the wack jobs can do what they were elected to do, but that doesn't mean even Boehner should humor it. He is doing so for party unity and understanding their position.
Allowing a Clean Resolution to fund the govt to come to the floor (Boehner Could Any time) would end the protest and show those who support it they are Not a majority and cannot change the law through these tactics.
These flat-earthers must be made to understand Obama IS the President.. Again.

I think this will end when the Debt Ceiling issue is conjoined and Democrats make other compromises to the GOP, Not Obamacare.
That saves face for everyone and gives Boehner some chips in the big game.
Exactly. What we see here is the "take the country back" crown holding their collective breath until their faces turn blue. Most people see right through it...mostly thanks to Ted Cruz, who cannot now help but be the poster child for this fiasco.

Hell, even Grover Norquest is pissed at him and the nut-brigade that he unleashed.
Grover Norquist on Ted Cruz: ‘He pushed House Republicans into traffic and wandered away’

IMO, what we are really seeing here is racism being stretched to its maximum. Shutting the government down on the day "Obamacare" goes into effect is as obvious a sign of that as it gets.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Is this intentional intellectual dishonesty in the implications, or are you not aware of the facts?

Reagan inherited double digit inflation from a democrat. Carter (Obomba sr.). Compound interest on the existing debt was atrocious even if his budget was balanced.

Do you understand compound interest?

Calamity doesn't understand much at all, only percentage change because that she believes makes her look smart. Believe me it doesn't
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

The less educated and less informed can blame republicans all they want..

It really shows how dumb Obama's base actually is...

****, if I was in the House I wouldn't even offer a funding Bill - I would vote against all the republicans bills...

It's a good time to shut this monster machine down.....

 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Exactly. What we see here is the "take the country back" crown holding their collective breath until their faces turn blue. Most people see right through it...mostly thanks to Ted Cruz, who cannot now help but be the poster child for this fiasco.

Hell, even Grover Norquest is pissed at him and the nut-brigade that he unleashed.
Grover Norquist on Ted Cruz: ‘He pushed House Republicans into traffic and wandered away’

IMO, what we are really seeing here is racism being stretched to its maximum. Shutting the government down on the day "Obamacare" goes into effect is as obvious a sign of that as it gets.

There's not even a hint of racism in this entire thing. Unless you are talking about the democrats being racist against a mexican american.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

There's not even a hint of racism in this entire thing. Unless you are talking about the democrats being racist against a mexican american.

I thought he was Cuban-Canadian
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Almost correct. I thought the republicans would do a couple seats better in the senate and i didn't think they would take it. I knew they would keep the house. No doubt there.

Be honest now... did you predict Obama or Romney?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Or better still, repeal Obamacare and move to Medicare for all.

That's a great idea. Medicare is already scheduled to go broke in the early 2020s - why wait that long?
 
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