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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
LOL, yep, disagree with you so call me a teabagger or a terrorist because I elected my Representative to do what they are doing. Not sure where you live or how old you are but a good civics class might help you. Seems that what is good for liberals is good for the country when the country disagrees liberals go crazy and blame the tea party.
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Who you elected is Irrelevant. That minorities' tactics ARE the issue here.
And you did NOT Back your claim of what is going on and who is responsible.
Your last was Indeed Empty GARBAGE/Conspiratorial innuendo and you have FAILED to put any meat on the bone.
My post to j-mac remains Untouched by any coherent or honest reply.

The HACKERY on the top half of the board is disgraceful, and you are one of the main knee-jerk purveyors that make logical discussion impossible.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

mbig said:
Who you elected is Irrelevant. That minorities' tactics ARE the issue here.
And you did NOT Back your claim of what is going on and who is responsible.
Your last was Indeed Empty GARBAGE/Conspiratorial innuendo and you have FAILED to put any meat on the bone.
My post to j-mac remains Untouched by any coherent or honest reply.

The HACKERY on the top half of the board is disgraceful, and you are one of the main knee-jerk purveyors that make logical discussion impossible.
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Minority? Do you understand how our govt. works? Do you understand how many districts there are in this nation and the govt. our Founders created?

I Have told you who is responsible, "your" President for not negotiating with the People's House, "your" President for not offering the same exemptions to the American people as he offered to his campaign contributors.

The total ignorance on the part of far too many Obamabots is staggering.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
Did the law that was passed site the exemptions that Obama has given to contributors and other supporters? Why is it that Obama can negotiate for exemptions with campaign contributors and other supporters but not with the members of "the People's House?"
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I don't approve of Obama's conduct with regards to exemptions. I'm not a partisan and don't try and justify the misdeeds of one party by blaming the other. I don't consider the democrats blameless in the matter, just that the tea party fanatics have truly crossed the line this time.
 
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Conservative said:
Minority? Do you understand how our govt. works? Do you understand how many districts there are in this nation and the govt. our Founders created?
I Have told you who is responsible, "your" President for not negotiating with the People's House, "your" President for not offering the same exemptions to the American people as he offered to his campaign contributors.

The total ignorance on the part of far too many Obamabots is staggering.
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Unlike you, I am not a Bot-anything.
The Govt shut down because a wacked-faction of Congress, which Boehner accommodates but doesn't even agree with, has made it so.
The OTHER "peoples" body, the Senate Disagrees.
(as does the RE-elected Admin and UNSC)
The Govt has Never been Held Hostage by by a minority over an Already passed law.
You STILL have not shown why that Faction of Congress (only one body thereof) is Not responsible for the shutdown.
Nor your absurd and Empty Innuendo that it's merely the liberal media who's foisting.. the obvious.

The Blind partisanry makes me ill and the board ******.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

rathi said:
I don't approve of Obama's conduct with regards to exemptions. I'm not a partisan and don't try and justify the misdeeds of one party by blaming the other. I don't consider the democrats blameless in the matter, just that the tea party fanatics have truly crossed the line this time.
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The T.E.A. Party representatives are doing what the people that elected them told them to do. The American people are entitled to the same exemptions Obama has given his supporters and base. Blaming the Republicans is nothing more than political theater perpetuated by a willing press. The reality is quite different. Congress passed the law and should be forced onto the law.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

mbig said:
Unlike you, I am not a Bot-anything.
The Govt shut down because a wacked-faction of Congress, which Boehner accommodates but doesn't even agree with, has made it so.
The OTHER "peoples" body, the Senate Disagrees.
(as does the RE-elected Admin and UNSC)
The Govt has Never been Held Hostage by by a minority over an Already passed law.
You STILL have not shown why the Faction of Congress (only one body thereof) is Not responsible for the shutdown.
Nor your absurd and Empty Innuendo that it's merely the liberal media whose foisting.. the obvious.

The Blind partisanry makes me ill and the board ******.
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It doesn't appear that the House is refusing to negotiate. Why won't Obama negotiate?

You can blame the Republicans until hell freezes over and yet that doesn't tell the entire story. You tell me where those exemptions Obama granted are listed in the original bill. Funding is the only option available to the party that had no input into the ACA and they are doing the will of the people that elected them.

Ignoring the blind partisanship on the left makes me ill as well as well as the ignorance of the Obama supporter. That is exactly what Obama expects and is getting, ignorance from his base.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

mbig said:
You do NOT Change law by blackmailing funding for the Government.
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Why lie about what has happened? The House passed a bill that would have funded everything but Obamadon'tcare. Then they passed a billed that would have funded everything but just put a delay on Obamadon'tcare.

It is exactly what has happened and will happen in the future with any budget bill. Some things get cut. Had the Dems gone about passing Obamadon'tcare in a way besides a budget bill, what is happening today probably would not be happening.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
It doesn't appear that the House is refusing to negotiate. Why won't Obama negotiate?

You can blame the Republicans until hell freezes over and yet that doesn't tell the entire story. You tell me where those exemptions Obama granted are listed in the original bill. Funding is the only option available to the party that had no input into the ACA and they are doing the will of the people that elected them.

Ignoring the blind partisanship on the left makes me ill as well as well as the ignorance of the Obama supporter. That is exactly what Obama expects and is getting, ignorance from his base.
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the republicans have been making the repeal, delay, or defunding of the affordable care act a major demand for doing anything, they have tried passing 42 bills with the goal of defunding, delaying, or repealing the affordable care act.

considering how much time and political capital it took to pass the affordable care act, it is hard to expect obama would consider discarding one of his major legislative achievements and what he spent a majorty of his first term trying to accomplish.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
The T.E.A. Party representatives are doing what the people that elected them told them to do. The American people are entitled to the same exemptions Obama has given his supporters and base. Blaming the Republicans is nothing more than political theater perpetuated by a willing press. The reality is quite different. Congress passed the law and should be forced onto the law.
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You don't have the legislative support to make your opinions become law.You aren't a special snowflake and if you can't pull together enough people to get congress to pass it and the president to sign it, you don't get your way. That is how the political process in our nation works. Trying to undermine that process and damaging the nation because you can't succeed legitimately is not acceptable.

The democrats have many sins to be held accountable for, but this kind of lunacy is in a class of its own.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Unitedwestand13 said:
the republicans have been making the repeal, delay, or defunding of the affordable care act a major demand for doing anything, they have tried passing 42 bills with the goal of defunding, delaying, or repealing the affordable care act.

considering how much time and political capital it took to pass the affordable care act, it is hard to expect obama would consider discarding one of his major legislative achievements and what he spent a majorty of his first term trying to accomplish.
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The House is doing what the people of their districts sent them there to do. The bill was passed without any GOP support at all and is vastly unpopular in the nation. You seem to have a problem with true democracy and the way our govt. works.

The ACA was passed without any GOP Votes and was done mostly behind closed doors, something you want to ignore. Tell me exactly why someone like you supports the ACA?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

rathi said:
You don't have the legislative support to make your opinions become law.You aren't a special snowflake and if you can't pull together enough people to get congress to pass it and the president to sign it, you don't get your way. That is how the political process in our nation works. Trying to undermine that process and damaging the nation because you can't succeed legitimately is not acceptable.

The democrats have many sins to be held accountable for, but this kind of lunacy is in a class of its own.
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The majority in the House seems to differ with you. You do realize that the "People's House" is majority Republican and that the ACA was passed without any Republican votes? Do you realize how popular ACA is? Stop paying attention to the left and the media and think for a change.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Why lie about what has happened? The House passed a bill that would have funded everything but Obamadon'tcare. [/quote

It is exactly what has happened and will happen in the future with any budget bill. Some things get cut. Had the Dems gone about passing Obamadon'tcare in a way besides a budget bill, what is happening today probably would not be happening.
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Yours is the lie.
1. They have passed several smaller propositions (since they shut down the govt) that would fund programs they like.
2. You have previously NOT had the right to shut down the govt/Blackmail the country if you don't agree with an already passed (and UNSC allowed) law.
3. Because they are hyper-partsian wack jobs, they have shut it down..
Just let's not be under any illusion/LIE about Who has.
The debate by the Limbaugh Lackies here is garbage-speak.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
The House is doing what the people of their districts sent them there to do. The bill was passed without any GOP support at all and is vastly unpopular in the nation. You seem to have a problem with true democracy and the way our govt. works.

The ACA was passed without any GOP Votes and was done mostly behind closed doors, something you want to ignore. Tell me exactly why someone like you supports the ACA?
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the senate is doing what the people of their states wanted them to do, and the president is doing what the majority of the American people who voted for him want him to do.

and one thing about Boehners job as speaker of the house. He may be a republican, but his position is that of Speaker of the House. and that means his job is to represent both the republicans and democratic members of the house of representives.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Unitedwestand13 said:
the senate is doing what the people of their states wanted them to do, and the president is doing what the majority of the American people who voted for him want him to do.

and one thing about Boehners job as speaker of the house. He may be a republican, but his position is that of Speaker of the House. and that means his job is to represent both the republicans and democratic members of the house of representives.
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The Senate is doing what the corrupt political bosses that got them elected from the big cities told them to do, you know the community agitators like Obama was. You don't get it at all and probably never will. I find it interesting that Boehner's job is to represent both the Democrat and Republican members but Pelosi's job was to negotiate ACA behind closed doors and be the most political Speaker ever.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Unitedwestand13 said:
the senate is doing what the people of their states wanted them to do, and the president is doing what the majority of the American people who voted for him want him to do.

and one thing about Boehners job as speaker of the house. He may be a republican, but his position is that of Speaker of the House. and that means his job is to represent both the republicans and democratic members of the house of representives.
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The first part is just not true. How do I know this? Congressional approval among the people is at an all time low of 10%.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
The Senate is doing what the corrupt political bosses that got them elected from the big cities told them to do, you know the community agitators like Obama was. You don't get it at all and probably never will. I find it interesting that Boehner's job is to represent both the Democrat and Republican members but Pelosi's job was to negotiate ACA behind closed doors and be the most political Speaker ever.
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well pelosi was a better speaker then john boehner, because she would have never allowed a part of her caucus usurp her position as leader.
 
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Boehner's private fight for Hill health subsidies since Feb. versus Boehner allowing an amendment against Hill health subsidies. You can'tor make this stuff up.
Unitedwestand13 said:
well pelosi was a better speaker then john boehner, because she would have never allowed a part of her caucus usurp her position as leader.
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Re: Most would blame Republicans

Conservative said:
The majority in the House seems to differ with you. You do realize that the "People's House" is majority Republican and that the ACA was passed without any Republican votes? Do you realize how popular ACA is? Stop paying attention to the left and the media and think for a change.
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A majority in this house is NOT sufficient to pass or repeal legislation. If you think the ACA is unpopular, than you can wait until the next election and hope you get enough votes to repeal the ACA legitimately. Stop pretending that your views are special and that the law should bow before you whims when you don't have electoral support to make it happen.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

mbig said:
Yes, just because THE PEOPLE elected a President Twice.. and super majority once...
and the 5-4 Conservative Supreme Court upheld the law. (the Conservative Chief Justice, writing The opinion), DOES Mean it IS Law.

You do NOT Change law by blackmailing funding for the Government.
That simply is NOT the way it is done.. except by the Tea Party Clowns who just hate Obama and anything he does.
These Bigots keep wanting to "take back the country"... from a Twice elected govt! WTF?
Health Care Mandates Were a GOP idea.. until Obama liked them.

You paint this section with the worst partisan Garbage imaginable.. with FauxNews/NYPost/Daily Mail, etc.
The Murdoch Tabloids, alas, are the best thing you spray paint. It gets even worse/Blog after that.
And your 'logic' is as bad as your sources.
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Oh please, one of your fellow travelers is actually quoting Jon Stewart? Want to talk tabloids? Most of the pap written in here by liberals could be plagiarized word for word from the likes of MSNBC, and you talk 'mindless'?

Look, let's talk about 'blackmailing' Obama, and Reid get up there and say that they want to work with Repubs, then turn around in the same paragraph, and say that there is no negotiation, and proceed to call them horrible things that are emblematic of the worst of hack politics today. And you call that leadership? They don't want to work with repubs anymore than they did when they were constructing this steaming pile of a law in the first place.

And while talking about 'the way it is done', locking out the minority, and then using them to blame your failure on them is not the way it is done either, unless of course your goal is to destroy the system.
 
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Conservative said:
What Obama has done is created a permanent long term unemployed class due to poor economic policies and failure to understand the private sector economy just like apparently you do. Look at the discouraged workers during the Bush term vs. Obama. At BLS.gov, look at the labor force growth during the Bush term vs. Obama. Stop looking at the reported rate and get the data that goes into that rate.
I am sorry, but it appears that you want to buy what you are told and not do the research. Obama has been a disaster and just SHUT down the govt. with his time of dictatorial management style.
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Your works of fiction are laughable. The mess we are in are the fault of the GOP. And now thanks to GOP the government is shutting down. Any kindergarten kid was taught how to play with the other kids in the sandbox. GOP cannot work with any other party, and values partisan hatred over the needs of the American citizens. GOP is already non-viable on the national stage and will remain so for at least another generation. You won't see another GOP POTUS for at least 2 decades and maybe more.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Snappo said:
Your works of fiction are laughable. The mess we are in are the fault of the GOP. And now thanks to GOP the government is shutting down. Any kindergarten kid was taught how to play with the other kids in the sandbox. GOP cannot work with any other party, and values partisan hatred over the needs of the American citizens. GOP is already non-viable on the national stage and will remain so for at least another generation. You won't see another GOP POTUS for at least 2 decades and maybe more.
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All of which, without exception, was said of the dems when the republicans were in power. Wasn't true then (except to the partisans), isn't true now (except to the partisans).
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Unitedwestand13 said:
well pelosi was a better speaker then john boehner, because she would have never allowed a part of her caucus usurp her position as leader.
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LOL, ok, your opinion noted and there certainly isn't any partisan bias in that opinion
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Snappo said:
Your works of fiction are laughable. The mess we are in are the fault of the GOP. And now thanks to GOP the government is shutting down. Any kindergarten kid was taught how to play with the other kids in the sandbox. GOP cannot work with any other party, and values partisan hatred over the needs of the American citizens. GOP is already non-viable on the national stage and will remain so for at least another generation. You won't see another GOP POTUS for at least 2 decades and maybe more.
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thank you Lawerence O'Donell.
 
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