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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

jonny5 said:
But the people voted in mostly democrats. So wouldnt this be what you get when democrats are in charge?
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How do you mean? In the senate?

Between the house and senate, there are 253 democrats and 278 republicans.

How is it that the people voted mostly democrats?
 
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disneydude said:
Citizen's United was not congressional action. Completely different. I disagree with the USSC holding in the case, but I wouldn't support shutting down the government. I would hope that Congress will take measures to neuter large corporation funding of our elections.
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Isnt that what Republicans are doing by refusing to fund a law? Why is it that its ok for congress to change something you dont like, but not ok for Republicans to change something they dont like?
 
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Lord of Planar said:
How do you mean? In the senate?

Between the house and senate, there are 253 democrats and 278 republicans.

How is it that the people voted mostly democrats?
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Because all legislation requires 3 approvals. Democrats control 2 of them. The people voted for a democrat president to approve legislation. A democrat Senate to approve legislation, and a Republican House. By a narrow margin, which means the federal govt is mostly run by Democrats. And so this is what you get when you vote in democrats.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

jonny5 said:
Isnt that what Republicans are doing by refusing to fund a law? Why is it that its ok for congress to change something you dont like, but not ok for Republicans to change something they dont like?
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No. Republicans cannot choose to simply fund portions of the law that they don't like. The proper way would be to try to bring changes in the law through legislation. However, they know that they don't have the backing to do that so they are resorting to gamesmanship and essentially to holding a gun to the head of the American public. It is immature and childish and the teabaggers are destroying what is left of the GOP's credibility.
 
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j-mac said:
So you agree with Congress voting themselves exempt from having to be involved in the law?

So you agree with a tax on Wheelchairs that has to date sent 40,000 jobs overseas?

So you think it is ok for the law to be changed by Presidential fiat 19 times to help his friends, and political allies?

I don't think you are being honest here Rob, with all due respect. If this were a repub in the Presidency, and controlling the Senate, and there was a law passed that you knew would hurt the country further, and change our fundamental make up, I doubt you'd be just sitting on the side lines rubber stamping the tyranny of the majority either....
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Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
 
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disneydude said:
No. Republicans cannot choose to simply fund portions of the law that they don't like. The proper way would be to try to bring changes in the law through legislation. However, they know that they don't have the backing to do that so they are resorting to gamesmanship and essentially to holding a gun to the head of the American public. It is immature and childish and the teabaggers are destroying what is left of the GOP's credibility.
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Sure they can. You just dont like it. And constantly using sexual slurs is destroying your credibility.

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
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poweRob said:
Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
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Holding up funding for a law that both political party's agree has major issues is what's going on. The delay was ignored and the last CR forcing Congress and their staff to use the same program as the rest of America was ignored. What's happening is more protectionism for Obamacare - protect it at any cost and be damned with the American people and doing the right thing. That also is not legislating, that is far left buffoonery.
 
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Ockham said:
Holding up funding for a law that both political party's agree has major issues is what's going on. The delay was ignored and the last CR forcing Congress and their staff to use the same program as the rest of America was ignored. What's happening is more protectionism for Obamacare - protect it at any cost and be damned with the American people and doing the right thing. That also is not legislating, that is far left buffoonery.
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No that is not what's going on. Obamacare is up and running today. They are cutting off funding not for Obama Care but practically everything else. Nothing to do with the law they don't want. This is a last ditch effort by the GOP to appease their corporate masters because obamacare will be accepted, welcomed and used by the people no matter how much disinformation gets put out there. And when testimonials start pouring in over the next few years... You just watch the GOP deny everything they are doing here and pretend to embrace it.

This is the life of the republican. Fight the people, get their asses handed to them by the people then pray that a time elapse will erase peoples' memories.
 
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poweRob said:
No that is not what's going on. Obamacare is up and running today.
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Not if it isn't funded. If it is up and running, where's the money being siphoned from... medicare?

poweRob said:
They are cutting off funding not for Obama Care but practically everything else. Nothing to do with the law they don't want. This is a last ditch effort by the GOP to appease their corporate masters because obamacare will be accepted, welcomed and used by the people no matter how much disinformation gets put out there. And when testimonials start pouring in over the next few years... You just watch the GOP deny everything they are doing here and pretend to embrace it.
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Do you have a link for the last CR that went to the Senate showing "They (The House of Rep) are cutting off funding not for Obama Care but practically everything else." ?

poweRob said:
This is the life of the republican. Fight the people, get their asses handed to them by the people then pray that a time elapse will erase peoples' memories.
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What I find ironic is that when Obama says "no", he's winning. When Republicans say "no", they are extremist right-wing obstructionists. They hypocrisy doesn't get much better than this.
 
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poweRob said:
Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
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Yes, elections do have consequences...That is what the newly elected members in the house, and senate that you and your friends so affectionately call 'teabaggers' were elected to do....The tyranny I speak of is not extreme, nor overt, but rater a soft tyranny. When you use mindless rhetoric like 'elections have consequences', what you are really saying is 'we won, so sit down and shut up, we don't have to listen to you.' And it is this latest pablum from the left about Obamacare being passed by congress, signed by Obama, and upheld by the SCOTUS, that is frightening to those of us that want to see the constitution upheld.

Look, just because you had a super majority, locked out the minority party in the constructing of this law, then used double speak to get the SCOTUS to declare it a tax, when the whole damned time up to then you argued that it wasn't now you want to rest on that? Really? This was **** from its very start, and needs to be killed before it becomes just another entitlement that can't be touched, and adds to the others that progressives put into place, and have racked up over a $120 Trillion in unfunded liability.

I have said it before, and I will continue to say it...Progressives are dangerous.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

poweRob said:
Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
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Yes, we do have elections, the House is the "People's House" and was part of that election. they are charged with undoing Obamacare or at least making it fair for all Americans. Seems the only elections that matter to you are the President and the Senate. The "People" won the election, the nation lost especially when the corrupt big cities carried the states for this incompetent President
 
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poweRob said:
Passing laws is one thing... That is not what's going on. There is no tyranny of any majority, save the majority in the house. We have elections and elections have consequences. Don't like the policies? Win an election and do something about it. Trashing the american economy because you lost a debate on a law three years ago... That's not legislating. Its a childish temper tantrum.
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You don't see a problem here, cutting funding for one piece of legislation shuts down the govt. for a President who has yet to have a budget enacted? We are operating on CR's because we have an incompetent President who negotiates with contributors and his base but not the Representatives of the "People."
 
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Conservative said:
Yes, we do have elections, the House is the "People's House" and was part of that election. they are charged with undoing Obamacare or at least making it fair for all Americans. Seems the only elections that matter to you are the President and the Senate. The "People" won the election, the nation lost especially when the corrupt big cities carried the states for this incompetent President
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but the people in the big cities vote as well? or do they don't count in the grand scheme of things?

besides it was not like the republicans kept thier majority just because more people voted for them.

In 1996, House Democrats also won the popular vote but remained in the minority (kind of)
 
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j-mac said:
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Look, just because you had a super majority, locked out the minority party in the constructing of this law, then used double speak to get the SCOTUS to declare it a tax, when the whole damned time up to then you argued that it wasn't now you want to rest on that? Really? This was **** from its very start, and needs to be killed before it becomes just another entitlement that can't be touched, and adds to the others that progressives put into place, and have racked up over a $120 Trillion in unfunded liability.
I have said it before, and I will continue to say it...Progressives are dangerous.
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Yes, just because THE PEOPLE elected a President Twice.. and super majority once...
and the 5-4 Conservative Supreme Court upheld the law. (the Conservative Chief Justice, writing The opinion), DOES Mean it IS Law.

You do NOT Change law by blackmailing funding for the Government.
That simply is NOT the way it is done.. except by the Tea Party Clowns who just hate Obama and anything he does.
These Bigots keep wanting to "take back the country"... from a Twice elected govt! WTF?
Health Care Mandates Were a GOP idea.. until Obama liked them.

You paint this section with the worst partisan Garbage imaginable.. with FauxNews/NYPost/Daily Mail, etc.
The Murdoch Tabloids, alas, are the best thing you spray paint. It gets even worse/Blog after that.
And your 'logic' is as bad as your sources.
 
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Re: Most would blame Republicans

Unitedwestand13 said:
but the people in the big cities vote as well? or do they don't count in the grand scheme of things?

besides it was not like the republicans kept thier majority just because more people voted for them.

In 1996, House Democrats also won the popular vote but remained in the minority (kind of)
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Yes, isn't it amazing how bankrupt big cities continue to vote for the policies that created the economic disaster they live in? These are the same people voting for similar economic policies that got their city into trouble in the first place but it will never matter as long as they get their handouts. What you continue to show is that popular vote dependent on the big cities mean nothing, what does matter are the individual districts around the country and in that case Republicans continue to win the big picture.
 
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mbig said:
Yes, just because THE PEOPLE elected a President Twice.. and super majority once...
and the 5-4 Conservative Supreme Court upheld the law. (the Conservative Chief Justice, writing The opinion), DOES Mean it IS Law.

You do NOT Change law by blackmailing funding for the Government.
That simply is NOT the way it is done.. except by the Tea Party Clowns who just hate Obama and anything he does.
These Bigots keep wanting to "take back the country"... from a Twice elected govt! WTF?
Health Care Mandates Were a GOP idea.. until Obama liked them.

You paint this section with the worst partisan Garbage imaginable.. with FauxNews/NYPost/Daily Telegraph etc.
Those Murdoch Tabloids are the best thing you try. It gets even worse/Blog after that.
And your 'logic' is as bad as your sources.
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You really don't understand the shutdown do you? Why is it that one piece of legislation causes the shutdown of the govt? Ever think that just maybe liberalism and the liberal media is making a fool out of you?
 
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Conservative said:
Yes, isn't it amazing how bankrupt big cities continue to vote for the policies that created the economic disaster they live in? These are the same people voting for similar economic policies that got their city into trouble in the first place but it will never matter as long as they get their handouts. What you continue to show is that popular vote dependent on the big cities mean nothing, what does matter are the individual districts around the country and in that case Republicans continue to win the big picture.
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but the people who live in the city have the right to vote too. you cannot deny them their right to vote because they sometimes vote for the wrong things.
 
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Conservative said:
You really don't understand the shutdown do you? Why is it that one piece of legislation causes the shutdown of the govt? Ever think that just maybe liberalism and the liberal media is making a fool out of you?
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Another of the Right-Wing wonders chirps in.
Everyone understands what's happening here, it's not just a 'liberal' opinion.
Mature/sober Republicans understand, including the WSJ, etc.

Your post was Empty GARBAGE/Conspiratorial Innuendo. Put some meat on it next time and try not using Fox or Breitbart et al.
 
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When passing new bills, the Republicans would be entirely within their rights to use their leverage in the house to demand concessions from the democrats. However, it is not acceptable to try and eliminate legislation that has already become law. The method for repealing laws you don't like is to pass your own bill through congress.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
but the people who live in the city have the right to vote too. you cannot deny them their right to vote because they sometimes vote for the wrong things.
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Of course they do and they are represented by someone in the House just like everyone else. They have very limited impact on the House however and liberals seem to have a problem with that. The Senate however is a statewide election and big cities can carry the state for the liberals and usually do, i.e. California, NY, Illinois. The House is called the "People's House" for a reason, a reason that liberals like you and others want to ignore. Elections do have consequences and the consequences for liberals is that the House is Republican.
 
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mbig said:
Another of the Right-Wing wonders chirps in.
Everyone understands what's happening here, it's not just a 'liberal' opinion.
Mature/sober Republicans understand, including the WSJ, etc.

Your post was Empty GARBAGE/Conspiratorial Innuendo. Put some meat on it next time and try not using Fox or Breitbart et al.
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LOL, yep, disagree with you so call me a teabagger or a terrorist because I elected my Representative to do what they are doing. Not sure where you live or how old you are but a good civics class might help you. Seems that what is good for liberals is good for the country when the country disagrees liberals go crazy and blame the tea party.
 
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Conservative said:
Of course they do and they are represented by someone in the House just like everyone else. They have very limited impact on the House however and liberals seem to have a problem with that. The Senate however is a statewide election and big cities can carry the state for the liberals and usually do, i.e. California, NY, Illinois. The House is called the "People's House" for a reason, a reason that liberals like you and others want to ignore. Elections do have consequences and the consequences for liberals is that the House is Republican.
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by that same reasoning the people also voted for the senate to remain held by the democratic majority and to reelect president obama.
 
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rathi said:
When passing new bills, the Republicans would be entirely within their rights to use their leverage in the house to demand concessions from the democrats. However, it is not acceptable to try and eliminate legislation that has already become law. The method for repealing laws you don't like is to pass your own bill through congress.
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Did the law that was passed site the exemptions that Obama has given to contributors and other supporters? Why is it that Obama can negotiate for exemptions with campaign contributors and other supporters but not with the members of "the People's House?"
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
by that same reasoning the people also voted for the senate to remain held by the democratic majority and to reelect president obama.
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Still don't get it, do you. What effect do you believe the City of Los Angeles and San Francisco have on statewide elections? What effect do the people of Chicago have on the state of Illinois or the liberal city o NYC have no the statewide elections? They will carry the state for the liberals but lose the war because of the districts.
 
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