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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: Most would blame Republicans

Polls are crap. Ask the right question. Who is more to blame...Congressional republicans or Congressional democrats? Throwing Obama into the mix is just the kind of idiocy and dishonesty that shows how corrupt polls are.

I will bet money that a large number of the ****heads that blame republicans dont have a clue what the issues are. They are the same mindless twats that support Obamacare without knowing what it is they are supporting (and yes...that goes for the mindless jagoffs that blame Obama just because he is Obama).
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I've seen most of what you stated on the Military Channel. The RepubLies are trying to preempt the blame game as we saw with 25 of these louses trash Reid yesterday. Dems should wake up and realize that they are not above this shooting the messenger garbage. As before the 2010 elections.
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Re: Most would blame Republicans

Polls are crap when they say Obama is leading in the 2012 election. Those same polls are crap now.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Polls are crap when they say Obama is leading in the 2012 election. Those same polls are crap now.

Of course, polls are crap especially those showing Obama with a 44% JAR and yet people claiming the GOP will be responsible for a Govt. shutdown. You see, those same people in that 44% group still are seeking credible sites to show us all how great Obama has been the past 5 years. It sure is taking time to come up with those sites to counter bls.gov, bea.gov, and the Treasury data.

Still trying to figure out why such loyalty to Obama and his failed economic policies. Is it really your goal to have this country become a European socialist model? Seems that the only people wanting that are the ones that cannot compete or sell their ideas to others thus need a massive central govt. to do it for them.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Of course, polls are crap especially those showing Obama with a 44% JAR and yet people claiming the GOP will be responsible for a Govt. shutdown. You see, those same people in that 44% group still are seeking credible sites to show us all how great Obama has been the past 5 years. It sure is taking time to come up with those sites to counter bls.gov, bea.gov, and the Treasury data.

Still trying to figure out why such loyalty to Obama and his failed economic policies. Is it really your goal to have this country become a European socialist model? Seems that the only people wanting that are the ones that cannot compete or sell their ideas to others thus need a massive central govt. to do it for them.

have you seen the approval ratings of congress?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

have you seen the approval ratings of congress?

Not sure Congressional approval ratings matter since Congressional elections are local not national, but then again they serve the purpose of those who don't understand that. You think my Representative gives a damn what the people of NY think of him? The President however is a national office or didn't you know that?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

I'm going to break this up a little because you ask several different questions, and have different situations involved...

Help me understand this.
What is it that the democrats are asking for, what is the "way" that they are demanding?

The demo's are not asking anything, they are demanding that repubs cave, and pass funding of the government in total, as long as raise the debt ceiling to what they ask for without a fight.

IMHO, "their" way is simply the law...

It is the law, on that fact you are correct. However, everything surrounding this law, from the way it was crafted, to the way it was passed was corrupt, and totally one sided. Now when the American people voted for people in congress to give congress back to repubs, the demo's only see that as useful when they want to place blame for not being able to do something, but other than that, I am sure they would love it if repubs would just sit there and rubber stamp what they want to do.

There were endless negotiations and compromises, don't you remember how much time it took to pass it? That was negotiation and compromise.

No that is not how it happened. Their problems in passing the turd were from within...

Do you believe that congress can go back and say "we don't like the law we passed, let's talk about it again...

Yes, reference the 1988 Catastrophic Care law....It was repealed one year later.

...and if you don't revisit it the govt will shut down."

Read the Constitution, "All spending originates in the House of Representatives." Like it or not, that is the way it is.

We spent many months debating ACA, now they want to defund it in 2 or 3 days?

That is not true, repubs have been working on this since the day it was rammed down our throats.

How is this different than Democrats saying "we weren't able to pass the gun control laws we wanted after Newtown, so we're going to attach them to a spending bill, and if it doesn't pass, the govt will shut down. Republicans must negotiate or the shutdown is their fault."

Again, that constitutional thingy....repubs hold the house so the attacking the 2nd amendment wouldn't fly. Hell, I am not even sure you could get it within the demo party either.

Is that not a reasonable analogy?

No.

I honestly do not get the rationale for this being anyone's responsibility but the republicans.
Thank you.

Because if the demo's really were serious about compromise, they would say, well, we won't delay it for a year, but we will start with say, 90 days while we put together a bi partisan panel to look at what needs to be changed with the understanding that it has to be a serious look at implementation. Instead what they just keep saying is 'MY WAY, OR NO WAY!

You're welcome.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

If I was to take a wild prognostication at this very moment as to what political damage a shut down would do...

Congress', as a whole, approval rating will go (as much as it can as low as it is)
Obama's approval rating will go down
Because Obama is not running for re-election, it will not do him much political harm and won't have a large layover on the next Democratic presidential nominee
If a senator/congressman runs for President in the GOP, it will help them in the primary if they supported it but likely damage them a bit in the general
I think you'll see a number of Republicans losing primary battles regardless, and a number of them losing general elections if it does pass
I think you'll also see some Democrats lose seats over this passing, both from unhappy constituents and from a reinvigorated republican base
I think the maintaining of Obamacare will be used as a weapon to damage some Democrats in purple areas well.

Overall I see this process having a larger chance of electoral damage to the Republicans than the Democrats in the short term but by a small margin, but having the potential for long term positive for the Republican Party in terms of possibly shifting some new blood in place of the "establishment" stalwarts.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Sometimes America is a silly place. Sillier than Camelot.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

Excellent!! There's no sense doing something principled and important and not getting any credit for doing it.
Seriously......the canuck......is arguing against a move towards UHC?

Such hypocrisy.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

The Dems are not going to compromise on OBamacare, their signature bill. You know this right? so why do the GOP continue to try and put that on the table? The GOP should be looking for OTHER cuts on the Dems side of the house and stick it to the Dems when Obamacare is implemented. Sorry but their so called "soft stance" is not a soft stance at all. When the GOP gain control on the house and senate, THEN is the time to attack OBamacare. Right now is not the time when you're holding people's jobs hostage.

I don't think the GOP should be compromising at all on their side of the house with their stuff. They should be looking ata other cuts and if the Dems REALLY want to keep Obamacare, the Dems are going to have to compromise on something else. Either way, put it on the Dems then.

I'm not saying "I" think the GOP is all to blame, however, I think the GOP will be blamed for trying to attack a bill they know the Dems won't give up. The GOP is wasting people's time and the people see this.

IMO, Both sides are to blame for the situation we are in and BOTH sides are acting like idiots. However, my perception is not the reality that most will think and I do think blame will ultimately be placed on the GOP for the sutdown.
The whole thing is Ridiculous I-hate-Obama crap.
This is a Long ago Passed Law.
The President has been RE-elected on this signature bill since.
Nonetheless, he has repeatedly asked for suggestions on how to improve ACA.

It's Unprecedented partisanship/nonsense to take the country hostage on this Bogus basis.
The GOP deserves the Vast Majority of the blame.
And Most of the GOP knows it, including Boehner.
 
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Seriously......the canuck......is arguing against a move towards UHC?

Such hypocrisy.

He's hypocritical because his country does something different than he is suggesting this country should do.

Do you know if he LIKES or AGREES with his countries health care system?

If you were on a Canadian message board and if they were talking about relaxing their gun laws and you argued against it, would you be demonstrating "such hypocrisy" simply because the country you're in has laxer gun laws?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

but having the potential for long term positive for the Republican Party in terms of possibly shifting some new blood in place of the "establishment" stalwarts.
So in your opinion having MORE baggers as reps is a good thing for the GOP.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

Repubs will get the blame (tea party), they had an entire election to overthrow both houses, and to put in a new president. Sorry it didn't happen (I didn't vote for Obama or Romney for President, I left that option blank).

Holding operations of government hostage is wrong, especially when this is a stunt so that they can try to look strong to their base when it is re-election time. I was a Republican, now I am independent, the party left me when the tea party came in and lowered the civil discourse to what we have now, just a bunch of sound bite and bumper sticker statements. The party has no room for moderates any more, so I am happily out of the party.
 
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Seriously......the canuck......is arguing against a move towards UHC?

Such hypocrisy.

Obamacare isn't UHC, nor is it a move in that direction. Where do you see him arguing against UHC. Btw, there are Canadians who after having lived under UHC argue against it's adoption elsewhere.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

He's hypocritical because his country does something different than he is suggesting this country should do.

Do you know if he LIKES or AGREES with his countries health care system?

If you were on a Canadian message board and if they were talking about relaxing their gun laws and you argued against it, would you be demonstrating "such hypocrisy" simply because the country you're in has laxer gun laws?
He participates in his health care system, he supports it and uses it regardless of his opinion.

But, he has voiced support for his countries health care system.

So yes, his sitting in Canada, using his socialized care system, while supporting the GOP in attempts to stop a progression to UHC....is hypocritical.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

You do realize that the only thing these waivers exempt these corporations / businesses from is providing plans with an unlimited maximum annual benefit. They still have to follow every other aspect of the ACA.... the plans they provide simply are allowed to have maximum annual benefits. Thats it. They aren't exempted from the ACA.... they are exempted from providing plans with unlimited annual benefits.

EDIT: Oh Yeah and only until 2014 after which no more waiver are allowed per the provisions in the ACA

That isn't the only exemption...

MLR exemption is quite a doozy...

Further, the need for exemptions and waivers show it is an ill conceived law. Not only that but it is the epitome of crony capitalism as it transfers power to a bureaucracy where the organizations, firms, and individuals with the best lobbyists win. THIS IS THE VERY THING OBAMA CAMPAIGNED AGAINST!!!!

Yet another example of his complete failure.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

He participates in his health care system, he supports it and uses it regardless of his opinion.

But, he has voiced support for his countries health care system.

So yes, his sitting in Canada, using his socialized care system, while supporting the GOP in attempts to stop a progression to UHC....is hypocritical.

Once again you assume that Obamacare is UHC or a move towards UHC. Neither is true.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Like...the mandate that everyone is required to get a education? Big fat failure that one.

You say that like graduation rates and illiteracy are not growing problems in this country.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame

Seriously......the canuck......is arguing against a move towards UHC?

Such hypocrisy.

Seriously?.....only a fool would think that Obamacare is a move towards UHC, unless, of course, you consider the complete destruction of the current healthcare system is the way to bring UHC as the formula to rescue healthcare after all the Obamacare damage is done.

But then, fools think UHC is free too.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

The reason Republicans would more be blamed is more people watch pro-Democrat networks. It is the Democrats in the US Senate, not Republicans, threatening to shut down government unless they get everything they want in the budget. The budget ceiling is the law. Democrats in the Senate declare they will destroy the economy unless Republicans go along with breaking that law.

This is why conservatism is doomed: denial.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Polls are crap when they say Obama is leading in the 2012 election. Those same polls are crap now.

Conservatives are deeply lost in denial. It's going to be fun watch them destroy themselves as they think that their freakish teaparty constituency actually represents the country and not a bizarre subculture.
 
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